Saviem's fan club (Part 1)

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS OLD TIME LORRIES, COMPANIES AND DRIVERS (INTERACT
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Fergie47:

michel:
Fergie47,your French truck of the week is a typical Swiss one with its V8 engine.
In Suresnes,Saurer only built 4 and 6 cylinder motors…

Michel…Whooops, kind of French-ish truck though…“Frenswiss” sort of wagon… :blush: :blush: :blush:
I’ll do better next time !!

Den…Those Magnums always looked the bee’s…but your fleet colours really show them off…classic of the the future perhaps, if I had a bit of spare cash I’d get one while they’re still cheap…

Went on a Renault test day at Millbrook, they had the V8 Mack and the semi auto box on test as well as the std one…nice wagons.
Use to collect and deliver a Magnum for service from a customer, always took the long way around…loverleeeeee… :stuck_out_tongue:

Evening all, sorry that I have not been around…my poor old Mum, (who is close on the century mark), had a series of mini strokes…Hospital…rehab…and we have been going like stink to try and create somewhere suitable for her to “come home” too. Not easy, and because of her age the attitude of the “health professionals” is less than pro active…but of course she came under Staffordshire…enough said!

So I may not be around for a bit, but from where I am age wise, the future does not look good in the UK for older people…and I am now classed as older! (and increasing every day)!

Fergie, as Michel says that is a “genuine” Saurer, but the whole story of the Unic-Saurers is a fascinating one. My personal favourite was the classy little “Rhone”. Rolling out of Unic`s plant at 1 Quai National, Puteaux, Seine, their “Division Saurer”. Powered by the sweet little 8 litre CT3D 6 cylinder, (115x130),130hp diesel. Two version, ZS7,& ZS9, 4, OR 8 speed, with a payload potential from 9 to 21 tonnes depending on version, rigid or tractor.

The driver sat in that glorious Charbonneaux designed, Letourneur et Marchand built bonneted cab, such a handsome beast, riding on E20 Dunlop tyres,very manouevarablewith a turning circle for the tractor/trailers at around 5.5 metres!

But like the Unic/Willemes, the Unic produced Saurers did not last for a long time… but Unic utilised the Saurer injection system for their own engines… but then of course Unic was absorbed and suffocated by Fiat! But lovely smooth lorries…and let us never forget the V8s…most operators who had the early versions never will!!!

Bewicks livery was superb, clean, and easily identified…funny thing, last week I was day dreaming, (its how I get through hard days), and I remembered a French operator of great significance, and great influence on the market place. A man who tried to change legislation for the good of all, and of course failed! His distinctive livery was the same as Bewicks…but he started in the 1930s! And he operated integral refrigerated rigids back in the 50s, that Scania`s engineers must seen, and then have copied the outline for the R Series Topline cab!!!It really is a clone!

Perhaps when I get more time I will write some account of this company , and how I first saw one of his masterpieces when I was waiting to tip at a Pharmacuitical Company in Limoges back in the 60s. Fabulous outfit, and they ran Bernards` as well!

Matters of state…not happy about these Swedish Pink Buses…surely we can find some Berliets? Deeply concerned at the inflationary rate rises for" les girls"…even more so at the standard of candidates presenting themselves…

Do try harder…it is not a finance problem…it is for the MOB to sort out… Do you need more resources?

A small Bollinger beckons…

Cheerio for now

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Sorry to hear about your Mum, Saviem. I’m sure that you will sort everything out and get her into a suitable accomodation. Having gone through a similar situation with my Mum you have my very best wishes.

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Hope all goes well with your mum John…not an easy period for you both.

Good luck…

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Sorry to hear of your Mum’s health problems “Saviem”,I do hope that all goes well and you can overcome the difficulties,in the meantime please accept
my best wishes. Cheers Dennis.

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Same from me John, hope your Mum’s situation gets sorted.
Cheers Dave.

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Mr Saviem,
I also would like to wish your mum all comfort at this time, and best wishes to you and your family for the fortitude to see you through this difficult period.
Oily

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Best wishes from me Saviem, I hope things work out for your mother’s welfare. Regards Kevmac47.

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I hope you’ll find a solution for your mother,and wish you and your family all the best. In France it’s also difficult for elderly people to be quiet and secure at this age…

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I hope you will find a solution for your mother and wish you and family all the best.
In France also ,it’s not so easy with elderly people to find a human way of living.

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Hi Saviem,

Just to add my best wishes with the others, and hope all goes well for your mother, I know what you are going through my mother was a month from her 100th birthday when she suffered a mini stroke last Christmas.

Kind regards
Richard

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Hope all goes well with your Mum - My best wishes

Steve

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Evening all, Gentlemen, you have no idea just how much I appreciate your good wishes and support, both on this thread and the pm`s that I have received. Thank you, it helps a lot.

The present situation, (that many of you have obviously suffered and gone through), is, (in terms of the battle with the “medical professionals”), for my family a similar re run to that which befell us some16 years ago, when our daughter was severely injured in a road accident. Then the “medics” wished to turn off her life support machine…" she would have no quality of life" they said… we said no. … Later, At a Rehabilitation Hospital in Stoke on Trent she was nearly killed…so bad was the care…So I purchased a Renault Master Ambulance, and “snatched” her out…(ours was the only Ambulance with an Alsatian, and mongrel Terrier sitting in it, alongside the NHS ones)! Then began the work to achieve a quality of life for her.

Today when I ran out of building materials for the “facility” that we are preparing for Mum to come back to…my daughter drove off in her Jeep to bring the materials back from our local builders merchants…disabled she is…but quality of life she has, and however short time remains for my Mum, well we will give her quality if we can!..but why, oh why, do we poor people have to fight the “medical professionals” , and why have they lost their humanity, and their compassion, and even worse their optimism?

Gentlemen , thank you, you have given me great heart, please join me in a toast to you all , and to all of us, Good luck, health, and happiness, to one and all…

Thank you

Cheerio for now…(normal service will be resumed as soon as possible…the MOB seems rather quiet does he not? Is he “interviewing”?

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may i add my good wishes for your dear old mum saviem . in spite of the " best efforts " of the medical profession she has the love of her family . i am sure that bringing her home to spend her remaining time with her loved ones will be the greatest comfort to her . good luck , dave

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The “wine road” from South of France. The Bernard is registred in 1964.

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Saviem:
The present situation, (that many of you have obviously suffered and gone through), is, (in terms of the battle with the “medical professionals”), for my family a similar re run to that which befell us some16 years ago, when our daughter was severely injured in a road accident. Then the “medics” wished to turn off her life support machine…" she would have no quality of life" they said… we said no. … Later, At a Rehabilitation Hospital in Stoke on Trent she was nearly killed…so bad was the care…So I purchased a Renault Master Ambulance, and “snatched” her out…(ours was the only Ambulance with an Alsatian, and mongrel Terrier sitting in it, alongside the NHS ones)! Then began the work to achieve a quality of life for her.
Today when I ran out of building materials for the “facility” that we are preparing for Mum to come back to…my daughter drove off in her Jeep to bring the materials back from our local builders merchants…disabled she is…but quality of life she has, and however short time remains for my Mum, well we will give her quality if we can!..but why, oh why, do we poor people have to fight the “medical professionals” , and why have they lost their humanity, and their compassion, and even worse their optimism?

Thank you

WOW John, that was some post…I read it at breakfast this morning, then I re-read it out to Liz, she said it gave her goose bumps, and a tear in her eye, just thinking about what you did…your daughter was unlucky to have had the accident, but sure was lucky to have parents like you… I salute you sir … :stuck_out_tongue:

Saviem:
Cheerio for now…(normal service will be resumed as soon as possible…the MOB seems rather quiet does he not? Is he “interviewing”?

Matters of State…I am busy interviewing, but had to get another new rear procket for my solex, it’s not easy you know, all those kms in this weather…and also,at your request, looking for a Bernard or Saviem coach…in pink !!
Maybe the M.O.F. could perhaps shell out a few sheckles for a 2CV perhaps, give me a little bit of street cred and attract a nicer type of lady…more later… :blush:

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Hi Saviem hope all is going to plan at home, difficult time im’e sure. Just saw this posted on Lance B’s thread by Pete359, hope he does’nt mind me borrowing it. I thought it may bring a smile to your face, cheers Buzzer

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Couple of nice nostalgic pic’s…if you were around in the '80’s then this Scania would have been a common sight.
Anyone recognise the village Beaumont-sur Vesle ?

This is a bit earlier… Shell station…long shot,anyone know it

And one for M.Saviem… would that be a double drive ?

And this weeks “French truck of the week”…is…full details from the two maestro’s svp…

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Fergie47:
Couple of nice nostalgic pic’s…if you were around in the '80’s then this Scania would have been a common sight.
Anyone recognise the village Beaumont-sur Vesle ?

This is a bit earlier… Shell station…long shot,anyone know it

And one for M.Saviem… would that be a double drive ?

And this weeks “French truck of the week”…is…full details from the two maestro’s svp…

Evening Gentlemen, Dave, where on earth do you get your pictures from? They are super…

There was a Beaumont, down from Bergerac, stood on the D25/D660, (■■?), I used to go through it on the road down to Monpazier, or could the photo be on the way down from Valance to Crest, (I cannot remember the road number, but a lot of lorries…and caravans used it)!!!

Sorry, have no idea on the Shell station, (picture looks well “posed”).

Lovely period “family” picture, alongside what looks to me like a GLR8, or, GLR10M Berliet . If a GLR8, she would have had a MDU24M 9 litre 5 cylinder, and a design weight of 17 tonnes. If a GLR10M, then she would have had the 6 cylinder 9.5 litre MDZ23M 180 hp, but my thoughts are that she is a GLR8. Late 50s, early 60s design.

The lorry with the “Relax” cab over looks like a GPRK10, of the late 50s. 6x2 single drive, replaced the earlier GBO15, 6x2. Design weight of 26 tonnes, and a train weight of 35 tonnes. Engine would be a M620Z 9500cc, at 180 hp, transmission was by ZF8.60, 8 speed, (I seem to remember the standard box was a 6 speed ZF) Just cannot remember when Berliet changed the windscreens from two piece, to one piece, but the Relax cab sat in front of the axle, giving a longer body length, unlike the JL20 Saviem with its cab centred on the axle. Gained Berliet a great advantage, from memory jjust under 9 metres from the cab rear to the chassis end.

A lot of the GPRK 6x2 chassis received those beautiful integral refrigerated bodies so common in the 50s and 60s. Lot of operators from your home area Dave, ran them. Those Relax cabs were really state of the art in the late 50s, (compare that cab, in sheet steel, to some of the UK offerings)…which would you throw your kit into?..and they were a “mean” sleeper!

Ah well, I shall away to my Bollinger…flowers on the ■■■■ today, …and Bulbs coming through the sodden ground…

Cheerio for now.

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Beaumont sur Vesle is just some kilometrers South of Reims on the late RN 44, but I passed there yesterday and the ‘Routier’ is closed.
The Berliet with the family is a true GLM10M with the MDZ23M engine and the gearbox with twin levels.
The GPRK was launched in 1959 with a one piece windscreen but e few months after changed it in 2 pièces for better durability.
First the gearbox was a 8 gears (4 x 2), in 1961 it received the 6 ZF as our friend Saviem mentioned.The built chassis lenght was really of 8,988 metres !

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Saviem:
[Evening Gentlemen, Dave, where on earth do you get your pictures from? They are super…

Lovely period “family” picture, alongside what looks to me like a GLR8, or, GLR10M Berliet . If a GLR8, she would have had a MDU24M 9 litre 5 cylinder, and a design weight of 17 tonnes. If a GLR10M, then she would have had the 6 cylinder 9.5 litre MDZ23M 180 hp, but my thoughts are that she is a GLR8. Late 50s, early 60s design.

John…I buy French classic truck mags…I know, sad init !!.. :blush:

It’s a GLM10M with as you say, the 180 hp 6 cyl…BUT… pretty dam close… sorry, half marks, bronse star, and write out 100 times " I must learn my GLM’s from my GLR’s"
School report will say " Must try harder" and “Stop staring out of the window looking at tractors”… :stuck_out_tongue:

michel:
Beaumont sur Vesle is just some kilometrers South of Reims on the late RN 44, but I passed there yesterday and the ‘Routier’ is closed.
The Berliet with the family is a true GLM10M with the MDZ23M engine and the gearbox with twin levels.
The GPRK was launched in 1959 with a one piece windscreen but e few months after changed it in 2 pièces for better durability.
First the gearbox was a 8 gears (4 x 2), in 1961 it received the 6 ZF as our friend Saviem mentioned.The built chassis lenght was really of 8,988 metres !

Michel…What a coincidence that you were there the other day after I posted it…what chances of that ■■? considering the size of France…

Go to the top of the lycée Michel …absolutely correct… Full marks, and a Gold Star… :smiley:

I’ll try and make next weeks lorry a little tougher…

Thanks for the info, hope it keeps a few people entertained…