Sales brochures

Thank you Saviem, for all the information you have about FAR. I had never heard of that name before I found the brochures in my archive, so it´s most interesting to take part of your knowledge and personal memories.

Here´s a “order sheet” (?) from FAR, just place an “X” in the right box for how you want it built :stuck_out_tongue: :wink:

/Stellan

Evening all, Stellan, may I complement you on a rare and interesting collection of brochures. When I was working from our Head Office, at Quai Leon Blum, Suresnes, Paris, I had “digs” in Argenteuil, (not the most fashionable part of Paris, but it was affordable, and as a bonus on the ground floor was a wonderful restaraunt/bar, run by the most delightful Vietnamese family). The lo`s, became friends, as I spent most of my “off duty” hours in their company, we were all “immigrants”, and as such shared our triumphs and misfortunes equally! The friendship, and contact endures to this day.
One Saturday I located the FAR factory, in Gennevillers, (and also the remains of the Bernard works at Ave Briand), but like all redundant manufacturing facilities it was somewhat dilapadated and sad in 1975. It seemed hardly creditable that thousands of vehicles had originated from the old buildings.
These superbs of Paris had been “home” to a great deal of the French motor industry, today nothing is left to recognise this fact. I shall away to the chilled Bollinger, and drink a toast to those long forgotten manufacturers, and the people behind them, Cheerio for now.

It´s feels good to share what I have in my little archive, and learn more about some of the “foreign” brochures i have. Since I´m not a good writer this is my contribution, with something little to our history… :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

I have divided this brochure into two because it has twelve pages, second part will be posted tomorrow… I hope :stuck_out_tongue:

A couple here from OM.

Still see a few of these working in the old Eastern Bloc countries, usually chugging along belching out black smoke!

I asked hitachi for a brochure they send me 30 of there excavator seem like every one they have build :unamused:
Will post pic later When home "as job changed :unamused: "

This is the predecessor to the F88 range.

The L4951 was called “Titan TipTop” in Sweden, and it was only produced for one year before the “system eight” was presented. Very nice to see a brochure about the first “real” Volvo :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Here´s the rest from the brochure about Abel…

/Stellan

Here the new ones hope its ok to post
I think it’s the full range of Excavator they do

gb1:
Still see a few of these working in the old Eastern Bloc countries, usually chugging along belching out black smoke!

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Evening all, did not the Knowles family from Alfreton start to import the dumper chassis, late 70s??
Amazing family, had a Foden dealership, which was very “avant garde”, when you went into the parts department, the “on stop” board was very large and visible, right behind the counter! Always at the top, (on stop), was the NCB!! Only place I can remember seeing Gardner 6&8 cylinder engines, in stock, and on racks!
Very clever engineers, did they not re-engineer the12speed box, and certainly did “mods” to The S26, and S 36 cabs, (does 3300 john know more)■■ I think they eventually dropped Foden, and took on Fiat, (684,&619 time). Lovely people, and not to be forgotten. Cheerio for now.

I’d imagine Saviems seen enough SAVIEM’s, but here’s a few more that we can be enlightened about…PLEASE.

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gb1:
I’d imagine Saviems seen enough SAVIEM’s, but here’s a few more that we can be enlightened about…PLEASE.

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Evening all, well gb1, Im in after a very long day, in this monsoonal rain, (the fields re like blotting paper), a shower, and my teas waiting, so I will try to be brief! Firstly, congratulations, where on earth did you acquire such old Saviem data?? Anyway to answer your question, first we have to have a little history lesson!
Saviem was formed December 1955, by amalgamating Somua, Latil, Floriat, , and Renaults truck interests. First PDG, Pierre Lemaigre, at the Government offices at 41 Ave Foche Paris. BUT, no assembly plant! Somua, (and the bus builder Floriat), at Saint Ouen, Seine, later Saint Denis Seine, Latil, (formerly tied as a subsidiary of Forges et Etaliers du creusot Schneider, (Le Havre) a subsidery of Group Schnieder, (rochet Schenider)., whose offices and production facility were at Quai Gallieni Suresnes Seine, and to become the administrative offices of Saviem. B…y cold, and confusing offices overlooking the Seine, (at least my “cubby hole” was)!! Renaults facility at Billancourt, Paris.
1957, the former shipyard at Blainville, (between the river Orne, and the canal, north of Caen, south of Ouisterham, and the famous “Pegasus Bridge” was designated as the new production facility for Saviem vehicles. Bringing new employment to a “deprived” area, (shades of Bathgate for British Leyland).
1957, the first “real” Saviem, the Saviem LRS (Renault, Latil, Somua), Faineant, (lazy, because the engine was inclined beneath the chassis), produced at Blainville. But a steel pressed cab, first ever in France, (very ugly though)!!
1959, the JL Series of tractors and rigids fitted with the 830 series injection moulded cab, (based on the Somua design), and “Lensman”, 4&6 cylinder engines (4.6/6.8 litre) produced at the former armament works at Limoges.
All “early” Saviems, irrespective of their parentage were badged as Saviem, LRS, (Latil, Renault, Somua), No member company having the majority shareholding. 1959 the “Regie” Renault,(state control), took over ownership of the brand Saviem. (gb1s photo Saviem LRS, 19,26,35tonnes refers).
1961, a 25 year deal signed with Henschel, moteurs for Saviem, mainly the 204cv 520D6T direct injection, light vehicles to be marketed in Germany as Henschel, (gb1s picture of the Saviem -Henschel refers), Deal did not work out, broken by Saviem when Henschel absorbed by the holding company, (Rhienstadt)■■ of Hanomag, 1962. Then absorbed by Mercedes Benz.
1963 Saviem- MAN collaboration signed, (20 years),resulted in the JM Series,9.66litre HM3F2146 200cv, 5sp O`drive, 2 speed axle, air brake, mechanical parking, 35tonne GTW. 830 series injection moulded cab,(your photos JM, (MAN) refer), (note the first use of "SAVIEM Blue paint). As the “heavy” Saviem tractor .
1967 saw total collaboration between Saviem and MAN, and the introduction of the ultra modern “square” cab, whose ratio of internal useable volume, verses overall external volume, has to this day in 2012, never been equalled. Some achievement!! (gb1s photos,SMs 200T&240T refer.
I have not touched on the absorbtion of the Renault "Galion " range later to become the SG , or the use of Latils 4x4, &6x6 designs, and subsequent sale to Soc Brimont of the timber tractor designs. I just remember from personal experience how “loyal” the former Somua, and Latil Dealers were to their previous marques, even as Saviem Dealers, and I have to say what beautiful lorries those Somua designed JL Saviems were to drive!! Im away for my tea, the arthritus is biting, Ill take solace in the Bollinger, and b… the Doctor! Bon chance mes amis, Cheerio for now.

Brochures and recollections from those who “were there” at the time the vehicles in the brochures were new are a great way to write the history of transportation. I started to drive heavy vehicles in 1975, so I really appreciate to learn more about the older lorries Saviem telling us about. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

I understand that this has been a very popular lorry in the UK in a more modern time… :sunglasses:

/Stellan

A few here from WILLEME.

gb1:
A few here from WILLEME.

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Hello all, gb1, now you are refering to the upper class of French lorries! From their manufacturing facility at 58 Rue Noel Pons Nanterre, originated, arguably, some of the most iconic of French lorries. You either have, or have scanned a late 50s Willeme brochure, a very rare find. But a most interesting lorry manufacturer, (later to have incredibly close ties to our own AEC, and Leyland groups.
The “conventional” “Nez de Requin”, (shark nose), powered by Willemes own modular construction 4, 6, or turbo 6cyl engines, are much prized in French historic vehicle circles. Fitted with 5, or 6sp, Overdrive gearboxes. Actually in the flesh, a far more imposing lorry than the re-touched photographs portray. And, on the road a very good performer at the then French 35tonne limit.
The same modular construction was employed in the straight eight cylinder naturally aspirated engine, normally fitted to the on/off highway, (Desert) specials, which formed a very important part of Willemes business. These leviathans had a similar cab to the lighter TE serie, as shown on your picture. 6x4s having a high articulation Hendrickson type bogie. Later chassis were fitted with AEC 690 engines.
The late 50s 35 tonne highway tractors had the 610 series 6cyl engines at up to 240din hp in (dramatically unsuccesful) turbo form. The cab overs, being fitted with the very stylised, (and beautifully built), Cottard cabin, (as also supplied to Willemes rival Bernard). Easily identified by the distinctive rearwards slope to the door windows.
Later the “Horizon” steel cab was introduced, again with collaboration by Cottard. Many of these sat over AEC natural, and turbo engines. At the same time Willeme were marketing BMC lighter chassis, including the FF, FJK, and Angle cab.
The “jewel in the crown” of “the king of lorries” was the TBO Series of heavy haulier tractors. 6x4, 6x6, 8x4, & 8x8, from 150to 1000tonnes capacity. Powered by AEC, Detroit, and ■■■■■■■ diesels, with Clark, or Allison transmissions. Arguably one of the finest “heavy hitter” designed vehicles ever made.
Following Willemes demise, the designs were licensed to Perez et Raimond, Frances Detroit Diesel importer, (though many PRP- Willemes were fitted with ■■■■■■■ 18litre K Series engines). Perez et Raimonds demise saw the licences floating free, and I was , (in my humble roll), part of the team from Suresnes tasked with the evaluation of the potential of Willemes designs. Sadly it was not to be, for we were at that time being "amalgamated "with our cousins at Berliet. The manufacturing right went to Belgians MOL, who fully exploited the inheriant integrity of Willemes design. Yet had Saviem- Renault acquired the manufacturing licence, then Renault Vehicules Industriels would have possesed probably the strongest heavy vehicle design worldwide!
One vehicle was assembled by Spains Trabosa, (although the radiator had a MOL Mammoth badge)! Even today some of the original Willeme, and PRP- Willemes are in use as heavy haulers, a tribute to a wonderful design.
sadly, on the subject of Willeme I could become a bore! A manufacturer whose synergy with AEC was never fully exploited, and like AEC, whose potential was never fully realised. Im away for a shower, tea, a large Bollinger, and remember some wonderful lorries from Nanterre! Cheerio for now.

Thankyou again Saviem for providing us with such interesting information and anecdotes.
I think I may have posted later, heavier models from the WILLEME range elsewhere on this thread.
Most of my brochures were collected in the 60s/70s/80s, directly from the manufacturers, but more recently i’ve
been scouring ‘flea-markets’ throughout Europe in the hope of finding anything lorry related.
I’d like to get to a few of the vintage events in Germany in the hope of acquiring fresh material, but trying to fit it in
around work hasn’t proven too successful so far!

One here from Dutch specialist GINAF.
I believe they’re now owned by the Chinese.

Evening all, gb1, firstly apologies, on my previous post fatigue, (long day on the sprayer), overtook the little grey cells!! TBO, should be TG. The TBO being “our” big Berliet , (and they were as big as a Scammel Contractor), the Willeme heavy hitters being the Serie TG, models, 100, 6x4 @ 120t, 250, 8x4 @ 250t, 300 8x8 @ up to 1000t gtw. The big Trabosa was designated as an 8x8 model TBA1.
TGs are still used by Tpt Phillip Brame, at Colmar,(artic tractor), and most reference material will show shots of the Dessirer H Zucconi, 8x4 &8x8 chassis, (probably Frances equivelent to our Wynns, in terms of following). Tpts Stag were another large TG user, but I have warm recollections of Tpts Scalex,whose operation, and personalities I got to know quite well. In my office I have a large framed photograph of a considerably heavy bit of French Nuclear engineering being hauled along by one of our Berliet TBOs, in front of a Willeme TG250, coupled in turn to a TG300, with another TG250 pushing at the rear!! The photograph is signed by all the drivers, and is a very prized possesion!
If you would like to see and hear what a Willeme LD610 looks and sounds like, and get a really good film of 1960s France, then get a copy of “Gazoil”, with Jean Gabin, and Jeanne Moreau, and for real working French lorries then “Important People” circ 1955, both good films, and the star in both is a Willeme LD610.
Good luck in your hunt for brochures, when I left Paris I took with me an awfull lot of discarded Latil, Somua, and of course Willeme material, that was just “lying around”. Im glad I did, particularly the Willeme papers relating to AEC, and of course my research into the TG range. Im away to the Bollinger, look forward to seeing others contributions, Cheerio for now.

Hiya Saviem. It would be interesting to see anything you have available.
I can recall seeing a WILLEME heavy tractor - unfortunately I don’t know the model - sitting in a yard somewhere near
Chalon-sur-Saone for many years. It was occassionally parked in a different part of the yard, so I assume it was still be used,
although it’s probably 8years since I last saw it there.
Next time i’m passing by - about a weeks time if everything goes to plan, i’ll see if I can get a better location. I think the yard is still
used by the operator, so you might be able to shed some light on its history.

One from East Germany, the popular (well, I guess it was there) ROBUR.

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