Yep…But that’s the difference between your boss and mine…
Yours obviously gives af…mine doesn’t.
No need for photos, I am notorious for being arsey about my living space,.and I leave a note in the cab in no uncertain terms, straight to the point, stopping short of a threat, but at the same time quite polite..(for me😁)
You are quite correct Andy, in the interest of public safety and other road users, nobody has the right to force a driver to continue driving when fatigued then have an RTC.
It’s odd when the poo hits the fan when someone has been injured or killed that the management and planners will all deny any persuasion or coercive behaviour and basically leave the driver alone to defend himself or herself in the Crown Court as they get two years for dangerous driving or even longer for causing death by careless or dangerous driving of which is a much longer prison sentence.
The ones likely to work for that money are new passes to get experience. I took the job at Freightroute for £11:74 in 2022 (£27,471) as a new pass. Thankfully 2 months later I then got the job at my current employer thanks to my 2 months driving keeping things fresh for the assessment.
I started working nights about 20 years ago because the traffic was better. Nowadays a 2 hour traffic jam at 1am is normal
The general public are totally clueless to the high volume of freight transported overnight especially the double decker pallets trailers.
It’s understandable ‘why’ they need to try to cut corners if 2 or 3 hours of the 12.5 shift is sitting around on break waiting going no where doing nothing ?.
It’s just a way of turning hourly pay into mileage based pay.Probably by necessity.
Ironically maybe better than being given ‘other duties’ to ‘earn’ the money or being on the dole meeting the work commitment conditions.
New pass or not its still absolute dross. If firms are using that as an excuse then it should be a case of maybe a 3 month probationary rate for new passes.
If all is satisfactory after that then full money.
Either way Class 1 nights should be above minimum wage imo.
The other one was DX at brackmillls. Salaried at 34k for nights. 5 nights a week. Start 17.30 finish at 05.45 approx. You can work out the wages per hour…
They say it’s a 48 hour week but each night they do 12 hours so 60 a week really but they say “oh well it’s part of the job”
Ironically I did a car delivery run to Scotland some weeks ago.I usually like to do them overnight and a previous run up there went like clockwork.Was surprised how clear the roads were it was just like 1980’s.
But this time got caught in the M6 closures northbound think at j12- j13 sent everything up the A 449 where it all got caught in the temporary lights for roadworks.
Absolutely nothing going southbound but they obviously deliberately didn’t want to re set the lights timing.But traffic conditions still way better than daytime.
Define ‘do’ 12 hours.‘Doing’ what exactly ?.
As opposed to unpaid break during a hub system transhipment operation ( from the employer’s point of view ) ?.
If so as I said it could be very counterproductive for the driver to ask for the downtime between runs to be paid at class 1 driving rate.
From the employers’ point of view it’s unsustainable unless the ‘driver’ can be assigned to ‘other duties’ to offset the wage costs.
Been there done that.
The change from job and finish direct trunks to hub system type zb wrecked the night trunking scene and gig.So another nail in the job and another at least tolerable option gone.
I was getting around £7.50 per hour for class 1 nights 25 years ago which wasn’t great then.
It was alleviated by a decent job and finish agreement and direct trunks just trailer swaps out and back no sitting at a hub for 4 or 5 hours per shift.
So many weeks that rate would effectively double.
Then they changed it to a hub system.Then they said they are paying us to sit around so let’s put us to work on the warehouse transhipment operation which had also changed to all handball.
Class 1 driver for 4 hours and warehouse labourer for 5 hours per shift for the 7 quid per hour.
Or drive a building supplies truck around the local housing estates.
Or multi drop shop deliveries etc etc etc.
Great job where do I sign.
Define ‘do’ 12 hours.‘Doing’ what exactly ?.
As opposed to unpaid break during a hub system transhipment operation ( from the employer’s point of view ) ?.
If so as I said it could be very counterproductive for the driver to ask for the downtime between runs to be paid at class 1 driving rate.
From the employers’ point of view it’s unsustainable unless the ‘driver’ can be assigned to ‘other duties’ to offset the wage costs.
Been there done that.
The change from job and finish direct trunks to hub system type zb wrecked the night trunking scene and gig.So another nail in the job and another at least tolerable option gone.
Edit.. ^^^ quoting CF. Dunno how you do the proper quote caption thing 
I’m sorry mate that’s rubbish. From when your card goes in to when it’s taken out you’re at work! Regardless of what you’re doing. If you’re sat at the hub for how ever many hours then so be it.
What would you say is the alternative to the hubs then? I’d be intersted to know your answer. Bare in mind what was said by someone earlier… look at the amount of freight that’s shipped at night now.
No drivers do warehouse duties at these places now, it’s changed a lot from 25 years ago. And I can assure you it hasn’t wrecked the night trunking scene and gig… you just have to work for the right firms 
This…
If the haulier is making a loss or not getting paid enough to pay his driver ‘down time’ as such, it is his fault for not factoring it in when he put his rate in to get the job.
A driver should not have to subsidise a crap rate put in to ‘win’ a job or contract…nor do the job of a warehouse man either.
I see loads of tramping jobs advertised on indeed for the equivalent of that £12.30ph
Yep that’s what I am , if it’s not on the card you don’t get paid
So if you drop your truck for service and come back in a loan car you won’t get paid for that if you don’t manual entry it
Most days I’m paid to sit on my bum to do nothing on a bay
Love containers
I might be wrong but what seems to be being described is the difference between hub system type trunking v direct trunking ?.
The resulting downtime, involved in the transhipment hub sort, involved in the former, has nothing to do with the customer and the rate charged for the job.
Its an operational choice by the employer.
It’s why direct trailer swap trunking is often stated by employers as a selling point for applicants with the ‘experience’ to know the difference.
There are often times when, for hourly paid workers, it’s better to not be on the ‘employers’ time’ but your own and trust me if you’ve chosen to work in hub system trunking then the hub sort period is one of them.Being on his time during that is a can of worms.
Which at worse can result in more of a shift being made up of ‘other duties’ like warehouse work than driving, or at best redundancy because of unsustainable wage costs.
If the card ( chart ) is in and it’s switched to ‘break’ not other duties, you’re obviously not ‘at work’ and breaks are usually unpaid for hourly paid depending on agreement with the employer.
Which seems to fit the description provided.The employer doesn’t seem to want or intend to pay class 1 rate while a driver is sitting on break.
I gave the alternative to hub system work in the form of direct job and finish trailer swap trunking.
Which in my case went from,
being paid the same for a 4 hour return run to the Midlands and back as for two, or an 8 hour run to Yorkshire and back for example.
To running 2 hours up to the Midlands, then watching the portable television, reading, listening to the radio, and eating in the depot canteen for 4 or 5 hours, then 2 hours run back 5 nights every week for the same money.
To the guvnor then making an agreement with the union over our heads that we would be employed handballing freight during the hub transhipment sort.
‘Because we were being paid’ ( to work ).
If it was me I’d be happy with the status quo of being paid 48 hours per week and 3 hours unpaid break and get the Tele on and eating my roast beef sandwiches before the return run.
And in the world of containers I’m paid to sit in my cab watching tv , browsing internet , knocking one off , reading my eye lids
Stuffing my face or plotting world domination
We’re not allowed to help unload as we’re only delivering the box
Been there done that on general as a chimp and ■■■■■ house extra
I’ve neither worked for nor heard of an employer who doesn’t pay when on break. If I get to a place and they say “it’s gonna be three hours mate” my card goes on break and I go on the bunk.
I DO NOT pick a brush up nor do I help out in a warehouse in any way shape or form. Neither does anyone else. I honestly don’t know where you get this impression from.
