And they also build perfectly good roundabouts with good all round vision…then they plant a load of trees or bushes…why do they do this?
shullbit:
And they also build perfectly good roundabouts with good all round vision…then they plant a load of trees or bushes…why do they do this?
For those that can’t see roundabouts?
shullbit:
And they also build perfectly good roundabouts with good all round vision…then they plant a load of trees or bushes…why do they do this?
I seem to remember this question came up some time back, the answer from a local authority insider was that this was a deliberate policy to slow traffic entering the roundabout.
Mind you, this particular local authority hates every vehicle except buses and bicycles, and in recent months has narrowed roads, closed roads and reduced parking spaces to discourage traffic in town centres.
Anything that causes congestion and driver frustration is eagerly adopted by too many of these outfits.
Where’s the oracle googlefast when you need him
Must still be looking it up
I have a simple rule on roundabouts; if you can’t be arsed to move one finger to activate your right indicator then I can’t be arsed to stop my lorry to give way to you!
Obviously a judgement call for people going straight over, bigger lorries than me and hot looking chicks 
The problem with roundabouts when it comes to lorries and cars is the speed differential. A loaded lorry trying to enter when a car comes hurtling round all of a sudden can be a problem.
In the real world any driver needs to have patience and plenty of it sometimes, but once you have commited yourself when all is clear and
stirling moss appears out of nowhere it is best to keep going unless of course you can see a collision happening then you really need to stop. Obviously getting a loaded lorry onto a roundabout
safely comes with experience although of course you will get the odd one that does not care about cutting others up.
You know what it’s like, sometimes you have to make a move or you will get nowhere. Driving a car and you see a lorry struggling to get out you may slow and give him a chance but if he just
pulls straight out blatantly in front of you it gives a bad impression. There has to be a bit of give and take and some manners shown but that’s a rarity with some these days.
the maoster:
I have a simple rule on roundabouts; if you can’t be arsed to move one finger to activate your right indicator then I can’t be arsed to stop my lorry to give way to you!
Bingo.
Sometimes I put my hand up to apologise as I carve them up. I don’t mean the apology but it looks like I’ve made an effort.
jakethesnake:
The problem with roundabouts when it comes to lorries and cars is the speed differential. A loaded lorry trying to enter when a car comes hurtling round all of a sudden can be a problem.
In the real world any driver needs to have patience and plenty of it sometimes, but once you have commited yourself when all is clear and
stirling moss appears out of nowhere it is best to keep going unless of course you can see a collision happening then you really need to stop. Obviously getting a loaded lorry onto a roundabout
safely comes with experience although of course you will get the odd one that does not care about cutting others up.
You know what it’s like, sometimes you have to make a move or you will get nowhere. Driving a car and you see a lorry struggling to get out you may slow and give him a chance but if he just
pulls straight out blatantly in front of you it gives a bad impression. There has to be a bit of give and take and some manners shown but that’s a rarity with some these days.
OMG Look what the cat has dragged in f Ing unbelievable looks like i counted me chickens too early, Mr holier than thou returns how long to Rowley and dickynick re appear
You give way to traffic that’s ‘established’ ‘on’ a roundabout usually from the right but obviously also anything that’s entered it first from the left.
Common sense and wanting to keep a clear driving/insurance record says apply a defensive no priority rule merge in turn by giving way to traffic that’s entering or on a roundabout as required.
Roundabouts are a liability it’s safer to use a four + way stop intersection.
Which is why councils are removing visibility at roundabouts by installing bushes and fences to force traffic to stop before entry thereby defeating the object of them.
When the rule should be no priority merge in turn or at least give way to entering traffic not traffic on a roundabout. 
Carryfast:
You give way to traffic that’s ‘established’ ‘on’ a roundabout usually from the right but obviously also anything that’s entered it first from the left.
Common sense and wanting to keep a clear driving/insurance record says apply a defensive no priority rule merge in turn by giving way to traffic that’s entering or on a roundabout as required.
Roundabouts are a liability it’s safer to use a four + way stop intersection.
Which is why councils are removing visibility at roundabouts by installing bushes and fences to force traffic to stop before entry thereby defeating the object of them.
When the rule should be no priority merge in turn or at least give way to entering traffic not traffic on a roundabout.
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Give way to traffic not on the roundabout? Congestion Connor arrives again. Either that or you are having a glass of pop.
Sand Fisher:
Carryfast:
Common sense and wanting to keep a clear driving/insurance record says apply a defensive no priority rule merge in turn by giving way to traffic that’s entering or on a roundabout as required.
Roundabouts are a liability it’s safer to use a four + way stop intersection.
Which is why councils are removing visibility at roundabouts by installing bushes and fences to force traffic to stop before entry thereby defeating the object of them.
When the rule should be no priority merge in turn or at least give way to entering traffic not traffic on a roundabout.■■?
Give way to traffic not on the roundabout? Congestion Connor arrives again. Either that or you are having a glass of pop.
Yep give way to traffic entering a roundabout just like worked fine in Italy and France for decades.
You seem to have missed the rest of what I wrote.
When you apply for insurance you’ll be asked to provide details of any accidents in the last 3 years regardless of fault and your insurance will be loaded accordingly.
So tell us what’s the difference between a four way stop interchange v removing visibility at roundabouts to make traffic stop before entry ?.
If anybody sees an old Austin Allegro in France or Italy this summer, give it some space.
Conduite à droite
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Wheel Nut:
If anybody sees an old Austin Allegro in France or Italy this summer, give it some space.Conduite à droite
Vous n’avez pas la priorite ( like wot you did and used to avez on entry to French and Italian roundabouts ).I preferred it but either way crashing into anyone because vous avez la priorite was/is not an option in most cases.
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what next week, how to fasten Hi-viz.
Ah good I’ve been waiting for that, I just cannot for rhe life in me figure mine out
Carryfast:
You give way to traffic that’s ‘established’ ‘on’ a roundabout usually from the right but obviously also anything that’s entered it first from the left.
Common sense and wanting to keep a clear driving/insurance record says apply a defensive no priority rule merge in turn by giving way to traffic that’s entering or on a roundabout as required.
Roundabouts are a liability it’s safer to use a four + way stop intersection.
Which is why councils are removing visibility at roundabouts by installing bushes and fences to force traffic to stop before entry thereby defeating the object of them.
When the rule should be no priority merge in turn or at least give way to entering traffic not traffic on a roundabout.
Ach toch…
Carrywurst me old mucker, they tried that in the Netherlands, and the queues in Nijmegen around the Keizer Karel Plein (for one) were legendary. Problem with your theoretical idea is that it stops the roundabout everytime a vehicle wants to join it. It stops the flow of the roundabout, not because the exit route is congested, but because a car wants to join. A minor road, can paralyse a major through route, in minutes…
Using Italy as an example as how to guide traffic seems moot, seeing as the regulate their traffic with horns, and a 'get out of my way" attitude… 
the nodding donkey:
Carryfast:
You give way to traffic that’s ‘established’ ‘on’ a roundabout usually from the right but obviously also anything that’s entered it first from the left.
Common sense and wanting to keep a clear driving/insurance record says apply a defensive no priority rule merge in turn by giving way to traffic that’s entering or on a roundabout as required.
Roundabouts are a liability it’s safer to use a four + way stop intersection.
Which is why councils are removing visibility at roundabouts by installing bushes and fences to force traffic to stop before entry thereby defeating the object of them.
When the rule should be no priority merge in turn or at least give way to entering traffic not traffic on a roundabout.Ach toch…
Carrywurst me old mucker, they tried that in the Netherlands, and the queues in Nijmegen around the Keizer Karel Plein (for one) were legendary. Problem with your theoretical idea is that it stops the roundabout everytime a vehicle wants to join it. It stops the flow of the roundabout, not because the exit route is congested, but because a car wants to join. A minor road, can paralyse a major through route, in minutes…
Using Italy as an example as how to guide traffic seems moot, seeing as the regulate their traffic with horns, and a 'get out of my way" attitude…
As opposed to a few vehicles circulating that entered from a minor road stopping loads from entering it from the major road.
By definition a roundabout is a method of merging traffic without stopping the flow of it.Which obviously means the removal of priorities.
Let alone putting up barriers to remove vision on entry with the intention of stopping traffic before it can enter thereby totally defeating the object might as well go for a four etc way stop intersection. 
Carryfast:
the nodding donkey:
Carryfast:
You give way to traffic that’s ‘established’ ‘on’ a roundabout usually from the right but obviously also anything that’s entered it first from the left.
Common sense and wanting to keep a clear driving/insurance record says apply a defensive no priority rule merge in turn by giving way to traffic that’s entering or on a roundabout as required.
Roundabouts are a liability it’s safer to use a four + way stop intersection.
Which is why councils are removing visibility at roundabouts by installing bushes and fences to force traffic to stop before entry thereby defeating the object of them.
When the rule should be no priority merge in turn or at least give way to entering traffic not traffic on a roundabout.Ach toch…
Carrywurst me old mucker, they tried that in the Netherlands, and the queues in Nijmegen around the Keizer Karel Plein (for one) were legendary. Problem with your theoretical idea is that it stops the roundabout everytime a vehicle wants to join it. It stops the flow of the roundabout, not because the exit route is congested, but because a car wants to join. A minor road, can paralyse a major through route, in minutes…
Using Italy as an example as how to guide traffic seems moot, seeing as the regulate their traffic with horns, and a 'get out of my way" attitude…
As opposed to a few vehicles circulating that entered from a minor road stopping loads from entering it from the major road.
By definition a roundabout is a method of merging traffic without stopping the flow of it.Which obviously means the removal of priorities.
Let alone putting up barriers to remove vision on entry with the intention of stopping traffic before it can enter thereby totally defeating the object might as well go for a four etc way stop intersection.
So currywurst, you solution would be more Magic Roundabouts. And louder horns.
the nodding donkey:
So currywurst, you solution would be more Magic Roundabouts. And louder horns.
In an ideal world ‘my solution’ would be the removal of priorities on roundabouts.
If not go back to how the French designed them from day 1 priority to traffic entering a roundabout which is effectively almost the same thing.
Or even better the good old fashioned four way etc stop intersection which the Americans had right from the start.
Also bearing in mind the question, details of any accidents in the last 3 years regardless of fault, on a vehicle insurance policy application form.IE colliding with someone on a roundabout is not really an option regardless of priorities just like a four way stop intersection.