Bewick:
A Hele,Cullompton, based 93 shot in the depot at Milnthorpe,don’t know what the trailer is loaded with but it sure wasn’t going to fall off!
hiya,
Dennis that is going nowhere other than It’s delivery point, but the amount and type of roping looks to me that whatever the load it would be prone to shifting hence the care in the placement of the ropes and amount used, proper driver eh’.
thanks harry long retired.
Hiya “H”,nothing like having a “grand master” cast his eye over the trailer ! I think by the looks of it the back part of the load was bags on pallets,probably some bagged chemical for one of the Mills we ran out of,otherwise I haven’t a clue,maybe it is the “payroll” for the next week !!! Cheers Dennis.
Dennis could it be dodgy night out money being delivered to Isle of Man ready for a wealthy retired ex pat to live in luxury
cheers Johnnie
Bewick:
A Hele,Cullompton, based 93 shot in the depot at Milnthorpe,don’t know what the trailer is loaded with but it sure wasn’t going to fall off!
hiya,
Dennis that is going nowhere other than It’s delivery point, but the amount and type of roping looks to me that whatever the load it would be prone to shifting hence the care in the placement of the ropes and amount used, proper driver eh’.
thanks harry long retired.
Hiya “H”,nothing like having a “grand master” cast his eye over the trailer ! I think by the looks of it the back part of the load was bags on pallets,probably some bagged chemical for one of the Mills we ran out of,otherwise I haven’t a clue,maybe it is the “payroll” for the next week !!! Cheers Dennis.
Dennis could it be dodgy night out money being delivered to Isle of Man ready for a wealthy retired ex pat to live in luxury
cheers Johnnie
It was part of my dodgy money,the rest came a fortnight later,all crisp tens and twenties. I gave Dennis’ driver a tip,poor bugger was skint…
Rlght 'o Larry,excellent shot but lets have a bit of “background crack” what was the spec of the Sed/Atk,what sort of trailer and where was it loaded for!!!Cheers Dennis.
Right Dennis, It was a Tinsley Trailer, The old motor had a 295. RR. Eagle Engine With a Fuller Road Ranger G/box the arse about ■■■ one. the load was reels of paper, 2 drops in Lancs somewhere., It was a good motor the only probs wew had was the oil seals on the rear hubs, we did seem to cure it in the end with Stemco,s I think, but by then we replaced it with a new Roadtrain, with the 300T RR. Or Perkins as they had been taken over as you would know about anyway., The old Sedatki was bought by some haulier at Hartlepool who ran it for a couple of years I was told. Regards Larry.
Lawrence Dunbar:
Right Dennis, It was a Tinsley Trailer, The old motor had a 295. RR. Eagle Engine With a Fuller Road Ranger G/box the arse about ■■■ one. the load was reels of paper, 2 drops in Lancs somewhere., It was a good motor the only probs wew had was the oil seals on the rear hubs, we did seem to cure it in the end with Stemco,s I think, but by then we replaced it with a new Roadtrain, with the 300T RR. Or Perkins as they had been taken over as you would know about anyway., The old Sedatki was bought by some haulier at Hartlepool who ran it for a couple of years I was told. Regards Larry.
The Seddon axle,perfectly OK in a 180LXB/DB6spd chassis but sadly not up to it behind a 220/250 ■■■■■■■ or 240LXB,I’ll never understand how they claimed the axle was rated for 13 ton.We reckoned they were only good for 70,000 miles then you had to rebuild them PDQ or you’d land in the ■■■■ with a roadside breakdown! I always spec’d the Eaton axle later on when I was ordering new chassis although the Kirkstall D85 axle was a far better proposition than the Seddon crap but I never really saw the need for a Hub Reduction axle for our type of operation,more moving parts = more problems as far as I was concerned.Cheers Dennis.
Well Dennis the Roadtrain had hub reduction but we never had any bother with oil seals at all, mind you they used to run bloody hot, in fact they got that hot that the red paint became brown, but like I said no oil seal probs, Regards Larry.
This load was for Pilkingtons Glass at St Helens for their export packing case dept. The trailer as you will see was a York, we did in fact convert it into a tri axle, when we got the Roadtrain it was a good combination as we could carry 26Tonne at 38Tonne Gross, Regards Larry
This is the York now a Tri Axle, we bought a second hand axle from Jimmy Coats at Wardley and did the convertion ourselves, eccept the welding of the new hanger brackets, we got an old school mate of mine who worked for Anglo Swedish Welding Co to do it, in fact it is still in use somewhere up Amble way a farmer got it
Dennis, I commented on this very picture on another thread, but you never responsded, so second time lucky eh?
I used to do a fair bit of timber myself and before I did the first load I was told by my Old Man that you always roped over every set, as you were dropping dunnage on the top you would throw some ropes over before they loaded the top ones, all the other lads loading with me did the same, yet I see that this trailer isn’t roped that way, was that normal?
Hiya NMM,sorry I missed your earlier post !!! Although we did carry timber regularly throughout the years it was only a very small % of our traffic flows.While I can understand your “technical” appraisal of the art of timber haulage we only carried packs that were mainly banded and I can also say that we never “shot” or lost a load of timber during the years we hauled it.In the early years ( 70’s) we steered clear of the likes of Sammy Williams as they would overload you and still just pay you for 20ton of timber,if you had to weigh in at the delivery point the motor was invariably over weight and the [zb] at Dagenham wouldn’t pay for the extra weight !!! Happy Day’s cheers Dennis.
They’re certainly a lot more together than any of the packs I ever carried I hated doing that work, mind you it taught me a lot about load security, you can never have too much holding stuff down, but it’s very easy to have not enough, an extra 10mins throwing rope is a lot less work than trying to reload your wagon before plod arrives on the scene
Hi Lawrence , You mention the Anglo Swedish Welding Co, I have had a 1 foot plastic ruler on my desk for many many years now given to me by friends in Blyth who I guess were clients of Anglo Swedish A real blast from the past… Cheers Leyland 600
Bewick:
Good question Mike so I think it requires a simple answer!!! from the mid 80’s as the number of Tautliners in the trailer fleet was growing we more-or-less stopped buying new sheets as we were converting the newer Tri axle flats as well as putting new " Tautliner ready" chassis into Bo-Alloy.So apart from repairs to newer sheets we were culling out older sheets,which mainly went to local farmers to cover their sileage clamps!We never purchased anymore new sheets from then on and always had the sheet container full of spare sheets,in good condition.By the time we joined the WRM group in the mid 90’s there was still a fair number of flats in operation but we still had plenty of stock.Looking at the condition of the sheets on some of the “other operators” photos on the thread we slung better stuff into the skip occaisionally.Over the years we never suffered any “wet claims” other than the odd “secondary” customer trying it on now and again which,of course,we refuted with vigour “as in go and yourself” you lying [zb] !! We never had a minutes problem with our main customers for nearly 30 years,Honest!!! Regards Dennis.
hi dennis
yes i guessed youd say that the local farmers ended up with your sheets,
was it your customers that made you move over to curtains or was it just the times changing ? or the 1 hour downtime whilst sheeting every load ?
cheers
Mike.
Hiya Mike,It was a gradual move over to Tautliners in the early 80’s which did eventually gather pace in the early 90’s,IIRC we bought our last platforms in 1990,but these later ones were very soon sent to Bo-Alloy for conversion.Nestles stopped loading flats in the late 80’s and we had kicked Bowater Scott traffic into touch prior to them stopping flats,however a lot of our Paper mills traffic was only suitable for platform trailers with overhead loading/unloading so there wasn’t any pressure from our larger customers.But we could see that the tide was moving in one direction so we did eventually accelerate the change over although not completely by any means!.I re-call buying 5 Keltrail coilers that had been little used and then stashed away by Chris K.They were cracking trailers on Air,which I then sent to Graham’s of Gildersome for 41ft curtainsider bodies ( my pal Barry Simpson,the former Sales Director of Bo-Alloy had gone to Grahams!) I think they worked out at less than half price of new and they were virtually “new”,not a Bo-Alloy but still a decent trailer/body.Cheers Dennis.
Lawrence Dunbar:
This is the York now a Tri Axle, we bought a second hand axle from Jimmy Coats at Wardley and did the convertion ourselves, eccept the welding of the new hanger brackets, we got an old school mate of mine who worked for Anglo Swedish Welding Co to do it, in fact it is still in use somewhere up Amble way a farmer got it0 when we were finished in the haulage game. Regards Larry.
Hiya Larry,when you did the conversion on the York did you just place the additional axle in front of the existing tandem bogie ,or did you reposition the whole bogie ?Was it a York axle you bought,compatable with the existing pair or was it just " a gash axle" you had found ? I never ever fancied converting any of our tandems,by the time the conversion job was fully costed I got within a couple of grand of a brand new Tri,and following them 12 wheeled conversions on roundabouts gave me the “willies” cracking and banging as well as leaving all that rubber on the road !! Cheers Dennis.
It was a York axle, We put it in the middle, we had a bit of info from Swansea before we did it which was very helpful, we also fitted mono leaf springs all round it took 2 full working days to do it, & it cost £750.00. for the parts including the welders cash.,we then went on to paint it which we also did ourseleves, We then took it to Sandy Lane to be checked & issued with the new plating cerificate, job done, Regards Larry.
Bewick:
Well Mazzer this is a shot of the same F88 when it was new ( we had 3 K.Fell F 88’s 451R,452R &571R) and I know it was never in an accident so I don’t know the answer,maybe when it was re-furb’d our fitters did some alterations but it certainly was never damaged,we did have another Bewick F88 written off in an accident, OEC 16P, and TEC 571R was in a bad accident in 1977 and it got a new cab.The mystery deepens !!
Damaged it was Denis,look at the fuel tank corner.
Honestly David,that F88 was never in an RTA,and that small dent in the tank was just a little “war wound” probably picked up from a fork truck !!But I’m at a loss as to why those side lights are in a higher position than when the motor was new,we did refurb the F88’s quite extensively as I recall but not to the extent of fitting new panels!! Cheers Dennis.
Two 34ft York SL34’s stood loaded at Milnthorpe circa 70/71 with Petfoods ex Asfordby Storage,Melton Mowbray.One was loaded for Barrow and the other for W. ■■■■■■■■
I reckon “H” could just climb in behind the wheel of this little Albion parked on Watford Gap and he would have no difficulty running to Brooke Bond,Redbourne and tipping the 9ton of paper (on small 3 x3 ft pallets)It ran like a “little sewing machine” the 4 cyl Albion engine,and nicely geared with 6 spd O/D box.It even had a Radiomobile fitted as-well, Music while you work,BBC Light programe wey hey !!! Reload you out of Laportes in Ilford,40X 45gal drums for Nichols,Vimto,Manchester !! Can’t be bad !! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
I reckon “H” could just climb in behind the wheel of this little Albion parked on Watford Gap and he would have no difficulty running to Brooke Bond,Redbourne and tipping the 9ton of paper (on small 3 x3 ft pallets)It ran like a “little sewing machine” the 4 cyl Albion engine,and nicely geared with 6 spd O/D box.It even had a Radiomobile fitted as-well, Music while you work,BBC Light programe wey hey !!! Reload you out of Laportes in Ilford,40X 45gal drums for Nichols,Vimto,Manchester !! Can’t be bad !! Cheers Dennis.
hiya,
I’ll bet I could as well Dennis, just need to find my cap and my pipe or else I won’t get anywhere
if you didn’t have the essentials ie’ the aforementioned cap and pipe you didn’t go anywhere or
so I understand from another thread, or does that only apply to the “olden days” now where did
the Missus hide my St Bruno ■■.
thanks harry long retired.
I hated doing that work, mind you it taught me a lot about load security, you can never have too much holding stuff down, but it’s very easy to have not enough, an extra 10mins throwing rope is a lot less work than trying to reload your wagon before plod arrives on the scene 
