As I said, I can’t be bothered anymore Carryfast.
There is no point me siting niches for a vehicle when you won’t accept it!. I have better things to do.
Go and amuse yourself elsewhere, and let us get on with MW 's
Ps - You did actually post some sensible comments on the ‘are modern trucks driver unfriendly’ thread - much to my utter amazement!.
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ERF:
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anorak:
?..I therefore guess that the 8MW was the updated 4MW, IE it was the forward-axle version of the 5MW, with 7" lamps. Why there was no 6MW, I do not know.A good guess, but no.
The 4MW was produced with 5-3/4" and 7" headlamps. The updates on these cabs seem to have been identified with the suffix number ie 4MW2, and 4MW4. Whether these cabs received all the improvements of the 5MW over the 3MW I don’t know for sure, but we can probably assume they did.There was no 6MW cab, as you say - why? We don’t know.
The 8MW was a forward axle position cab of the NGC 7MW design, definitely, but who had them and why? We don’t know - yet!.
Well, we know for fact that Pountain’s 7MW cab replaced a 4MW cab on his 6x4 ERF. From what you say, the chassis may have had to undergo surgery. This wouldn’t come as big surprise, given that it had gone into Cossington Commercials to have both the engine and the cab replaced!
If the wheelarches of a 8MW are actully set forward, then its hard to imagine one and we certainly haven’t seen one yet on this forum; and it is my guess that such an 8MW was offered on paper (like the Gardner 8LXB and the straight-framed light chassis) but not taken up in practice! Robert
Carryfast:
newmercman:
Nissan Diesel still have naturally aspirated engines in their line up?Blimey nmm you and all the other operators running turbocharged motors in their trucks must be kicking yourselves over all that money you’re losing when you could have carried on with the Gardner ( and Merc ) formula for guaranteed success all along.
I bet all the UK manufacturers are kicking themselves that you werent around to advise them where they went so badly wrong ,after all hindsight is a great thing , could you advise on which path the foreign manufacturers should take to keep them ahead of the field for the next 20 years or so Im surprised you haven`t been head hunted by now
Here, then is a VERY crude impression of what an 8MW cab might have looked like. Robert
…compared to a 7MW cab:
Carryfast:
ERF:
As I said, I can’t be bothered anymore Carryfast.
There is no point me siting niches for a vehicle when you won’t accept it!. I have better things to do.
Go and amuse yourself elsewhere, and let us get on with MW 'sPs - You did actually post some sensible comments on the ‘are modern trucks driver unfriendly’ thread - much to my utter amazement!.
About as sensible as expressing utter disbelief as to how customers were still ordering and ERF still producing the 5 MW with naturally aspirated ■■■■■■■■■■■ alone Gardner engines,long after the 7 MW cab and documented turbocharged ■■■■■■■ engine option had been introduced and when ■■■■■■■ was about to launch the big cam series of its turbocharged 14 litre engine in its domestic market.
By that logic I’d suggest my accusation of a backward domestic market is a massive understatement.Sorry if the inconvenient truth doesn’t fit your script.
Is this how you tackle all opponents to your view in life Carryfast?.
Not listening to anyone’s experience or reason, just haemorrhaging unstoppable diatribe to silence opponents to your one view through shear boredom?. If so, it’s worked (yet again), so I say again LET US MOVE ON - please!.
So moving on does anyone have experience of the Gardner 320 ,I know it was well after the 5MWs but I`m just curious as I thought mine was a great motor ■■?
ramone:
So moving on does anyone have experience of the Gardner 320 ,I know it was well after the 5MWs but I`m just curious as I thought mine was a great motor ■■?
The 320 was a Gardner 6LYT and used by Foden and ERF in the E16.
Available from 1986 and later uprated to 350hp, this 15.5 litre engine was a new design by Paul Gardner (I think, do correct me if not). It shared no components with the old LX series engines and had and unusual timing arrangement in that the valve train and injection pump were gear driven from the flywheel end of the engine.
It developed a reputation for poor reliability in road haulage chassis, but did find some favour as a marine engine I understand.
ERF:
ramone:
So moving on does anyone have experience of the Gardner 320 ,I know it was well after the 5MWs but I`m just curious as I thought mine was a great motor ■■?
The 320 was a Gardner 6LYT and used by Foden and ERF in the E16.Available from 1986 and later uprated to 350hp, this 15.5 litre engine was a new design by Paul Gardner (I think, do correct me if not). It shared no components with the old LX series engines and had and unusual timing arrangement in that the valve train and injection pump were gear driven from the flywheel end of the engine.
It developed a reputation for poor reliability in road haulage chassis, but did find some favour as a marine engine I understand.
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Thanks for the reply ,it was one of the best engines I`d driven ,very torquey not the fastest but a very good puller ,maybe they got the gearing spot on
Carryfast:
3300John:
so the yanks don t use any plastic,s on their cabs…is that what your saying CFDon’t ask me I’ve never worked for a yank production operation.But I do know they were as happy as pigs in zb with the ally on steel frame construction wagons that we flogged them.At least one of which has been brought home again in more or less as good condition as they got it when new around 40 years ago.
Carry fast a large percentage of bonneted yank trucks have some kind off plastic / fibre glass front.i went past a breakers one day there was a row
of about 100 bonnets sitting in afield with the headlight pointing to the sky…the fronts open up from the rear and expose all the engine area.
i see you say ally on steel frame is the corrects as the 2 metals curse a reaction that makes the ally fur up and colapse… maybe the frame was also
ally i do know the cabs was light weight.
hiya i never knew of a 8 mw but but but a forward control cab would be very similar to a Scammell Crusader cab. i wounder if ERF
tried do use a bog standard MP cab and fit the ERF front …which was glass fiber anyway… i can t see why a European front would nt
fit onto a Crusader cab…did any of the late crusader cabs tilt ■■?only may be i don t know.
just looked at FTF they are all long door of that period no forward axles there
3300John:
hiya i never knew of a 8 mw but but but a forward control cab would be very similar to a Scammell Crusader cab. i wounder if ERF
tried do use a bog standard MP cab and fit the ERF front …which was glass fiber anyway… i can t see why a European front would nt
fit onto a Crusader cab…did any of the late crusader cabs tilt ■■?only may be i don t know.
just looked at FTF they are all long door of that period no forward axles there
John, as far as I know, the Crusader couldn’t be made to tilt because it has that swing-out radiator contraption on the front. I imagine that was why they went back to the drawing board for the 7MW cab, rather than use a Crusader MP Mk 4 tall cab straight off the shelf. Robert
PS Crusader cab to remind you!
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The right cab? What like the F88 cab? Proven in the market place, yet it was not known for its resilience to rust.
Or the TD 100 engine? Which was highly stressed with a relatively small capacity.
The free market and history totally blow every argument you have out of the water.
That’s my last word on the subject as arguing with a fool only proves that there are two.
I suggest other posters do the same or we’ll end up with 24,000 posts of complete and utter…
ramone:
So moving on does anyone have experience of the Gardner 320 ,I know it was well after the 5MWs but I`m just curious as I thought mine was a great motor ■■?
We had a Seddon Atkinson 411 on long term demo fitted with the Gardner 6LYT 320 it was quite some motor it went back to the dealers after 3 months we went to buy 4 ERF E16s and 8 ERF E12s they were fitted with the 290 6LXDT i must admit the smaller Gardners were a lot more reliable than the 320 Gardners
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gazsa401:
ramone:
So moving on does anyone have experience of the Gardner 320 ,I know it was well after the 5MWs but I`m just curious as I thought mine was a great motor ■■?We had a Seddon Atkinson 411 on long term demo fitted with the Gardner 6LYT 320 it was quite some motor it went back to the dealers after 3 months we went to buy 4 ERF E16s and 8 ERF E12s they were fitted with the 290 6LXDT i must admit the smaller Gardners were a lot more reliable than the 320 Gardners
What was the general opinion of the 320s good or bad , I know of a local haulier who ran 6x4 Fodens with this engine and they went back and were tweeked to 350 because the 320s were apparently gutless , it makes me think the gearing was all wrong unless I had a freak 
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