Don’t think it will affect Manitoba based drivers to much as unless you are doing a lot of multi drop to Florida you can get pretty much anywhere and back in 70
I think we are all looking at something thats not even finalised yet, the way we have been informed on my company you will take the 34 hour reset to include 01.00 on the first day then 05.00 on the second day, there is no mention of 168 hours other than you can only take one reset in any 7 days, so a weekend off then.
It’s just sugestions at the moment, if they actually bring such rules in force the country will come to a standstill when everyone quits.
contractdriver:
Learning more about this new 168 hours (every 7 day maximum reset) I realise that I am the driver they are targeting (which is exactly the sort of driver Canada and the US is in short supply of! FFS!)The 'Long Haul driver who works up to 70 hours per week, has a 34 reset then works 70 hours the following week.
When the new rules come in (July 1st 2013) I can’t forsee how I can make any money where I am currently working, so I’m seeking employment elsewhere where they pay by the hour. any jobs going with LMO’s in Canada who pays by the hour ? anywhere ?..
It seem’s that you have soon got pickled off then??.
By the way a canadian truck driver must a have 36 hour reset no matter which country he/she is in,also an american driver must have a 36 hour reset before entering canada.
vastly exp:
contractdriver:
Learning more about this new 168 hours (every 7 day maximum reset) I realise that I am the driver they are targeting (which is exactly the sort of driver Canada and the US is in short supply of! FFS!)The 'Long Haul driver who works up to 70 hours per week, has a 34 reset then works 70 hours the following week.
When the new rules come in (July 1st 2013) I can’t forsee how I can make any money where I am currently working, so I’m seeking employment elsewhere where they pay by the hour. any jobs going with LMO’s in Canada who pays by the hour ? anywhere ?..
It seem’s that you have soon got pickled off then??.
By the way a canadian truck driver must a have 36 hour reset no matter which country he/she is in,also an american driver must have a 36 hour reset before entering canada.
I’m not ‘pickled off’ 
with my job… it’s great, best job I’ve had for years.
I’m pickled off with these crazy new proposed rules… I’m trying to get away from all these crazy rules bollox… to find out crazier rules may be introduced here…!
I meant 36…officer… honest…doh! 
Don’t know why any of you have a problem with the new reset provision, I challenge any 1 of you to find someone that it will actually affect…stop thinking like Americans and wise up. After 70/8 you are out of hours whether you had a reset in the last 168 hours or not. If you did then your next 34 hours off will not be a reset but will still allow you to use the recap (roll your hours over) so there is actually no change whatsoever it’s still 70/8 then day off ffs. 
contractdriver:
contractdriver:
Learning more about this new 168 hours (every 7 day maximum reset) I realise that I am the driver they are targeting (which is exactly the sort of driver Canada and the US is in short supply of! FFS!)The 'Long Haul driver who works up to 70 hours per week, has a 34 reset then works 70 hours the following week.
When the new rules come in (July 1st 2013) I can’t forsee how I can make any money where I am currently working, so I’m seeking employment elsewhere where they pay by the hour. any jobs going with LMO’s in Canada who pays by the hour ? anywhere ?..
Unless they change the long haul pay structure all I can see is that after July 1st many thousands of long haul Canadian and US drivers will be leaving the industry, no one will replace them cos who’s gonna sit around all weekend not getting paid then two days later has to take a 34 reset … unpaid again!.. FFS… many drivers don’t even know (or understand) about the new rule!
AND ITS LESS THAN THREE MONTHS AWAY!
What utter bs…If you have just had your weekend off why would you be looking at a reset 2 days later
The rule is being missunderstood by some people, you don’t have to wait for 168 hours to take a reset, you can only take one reset in any 7 day period, therefore you can take it over the weekend, then carry one. The rule means one reset during that 168 hours, not after it.
Pat Hasler:
The rule is being missunderstood by some people, you don’t have to wait for 168 hours to take a reset, you can only take one reset in any 7 day period, therefore you can take it over the weekend, then carry one. The rule means one reset during that 168 hours, not after it.
The only drivers it will affect is the night shift like NNM 
having to take 2 periods between 1am and 5am HTH
On the road again:
Pat Hasler:
The rule is being missunderstood by some people, you don’t have to wait for 168 hours to take a reset, you can only take one reset in any 7 day period, therefore you can take it over the weekend, then carry one. The rule means one reset during that 168 hours, not after it.The only drivers it will affect is the night shift like NNM
Which means I get three days off to reset my book 
Now who’s the silly one
Although as I run 70/7 in Canada, it won’t affect me one little bit 
Just need the Canadians to adopt the same rules and the job’ll be a good 'un
Pat Hasler:
The rule is being misunderstood by some people, you don’t have to wait for 168 hours to take a reset, you can only take one reset in any 7 day period, therefore you can take it over the weekend, then carry one. The rule means one reset during that 168 hours, not after it.
That’ll be me there then Pat!
This Weeks Trip example.
I tipped then loaded Nisku, Alberta on Monday and tipped Denver City, Texas (on New Mexico border) on Friday at about noon. I was ‘assured’ i had a ‘local’ backload and when my loadcard came through, the address was to load at Greenville, Texas (Eastern Dallas) which was about 500 miles away 
and was told they worked till 10pm… so i drove and drove and drove (mostly at ‘around’ the 70mph truck limit) and missed getting loaded by about 5 min’s (don’t you just hate it when that happens 
).
If I had got loaded, i would have had 36 hours off somewhere up the road and pressed on, got back to Canada, Tipped reloaded and somewhere along on the way back down ‘slotted in’ another reset.
So, I worked for 5 days (Monday to Friday) with a total duty and driving time of only about 45 hours.
The total elapsed time since i started on Monday till Friday night was about …lets say 110 hours, so my understanding (or misunderstanding) of the rules is that i haven’t completed 168 hours, therefore any reset i take won’t count towards anything until 168 hours have elapsed.
Here’s the extract from the FMCSA rules.
- What are the primary changes of the HOS regulations in this final rule?
A. Restart limited to once per week
The rule limits the use of the “34-hour restart” to once a week (168 hours).
(1) What is the purpose of the 168-hour provision?
The purpose of the rule change is to limit work to no more than 70 hours a week on average. Working long daily and weekly hours on a continuing basis is associated with chronic fatigue, a high risk of crashes, and a number of serious chronic health conditions in drivers.
(2) What is wrong with taking two 34-hour restarts in a week?
Multiple restarts in each week would not generally be a problem because frequent 34-hour-long off-duty periods would leave little time in a given week to build up excessive duty hours. If, however, restarts are taken every 6 days, a problem does arise: under existing rules, alternating 14 hours on-duty and 10 hours off, a driver would reach 70 hours in less than 5 full days. After a 34-hour break, the driver could then begin this same cycle again, totaling 70 hours on-duty every 6 calendar days, for an average of almost 82 hours per calendar week. Limiting restarts to one every 168 hours prevents this excessive buildup of on-duty hours, while still allowing drivers to use the restart provision to their advantage and avoiding the complexity of special provisions for more frequent restarts.
(3) Why doesn’t a 34-hour restart provide the driver enough rest?
A driver using the minimum restart every 5 or 6 days could average 80 or more hours a week. To do this, a driver would have to be working close to 14 hours a day. If a driver did this week after week, he or she would be chronically fatigued — two nights of sleep would only mitigate, not eliminate the slept debt the driver built up during the work week. That sleep debt would increase over time.
(4) Which drivers are most likely to be affected by the 168-hour provision?
Drivers who work very long hours (more than 70 per week) on a continuing basis are most likely to be affected by the 168-hour provision. The available data indicate that a small percentage of truckload drivers work these extreme hours.
(5) Will the provision limit drivers’ incomes?
The rule will limit income for those drivers who currently are able to drive more than 70 hours a week on a continuing basis. Almost all of the drivers affected by the provision are long-haul truckload drivers who are paid by the mile. The provision reduces possible driving hours less than total duty time.
It’s the bit where it says ‘Limiting restarts to one every 168 hours prevents this excessive buildup of on-duty hours’ which gets me confused.
So Pat, being an ‘American’ , or anyone else explain it here in ‘Lorry Driver’ terms.
Cheers
Col
So i’m parked in a Walmart car park for the weekend till Monday and having my reset, passed a big ‘drag strip’ last night, so i’m going there tonight, It looked great from the roadside… 
contractdriver:
Pat Hasler:
The rule is being misunderstood by some people, you don’t have to wait for 168 hours to take a reset, you can only take one reset in any 7 day period, therefore you can take it over the weekend, then carry one. The rule means one reset during that 168 hours, not after it.That’ll be me there then Pat!
This Weeks Trip example.
I tipped then loaded Nisku, Alberta on Monday and tipped Denver City, Texas (on New Mexico border) on Friday at about noon. I was ‘assured’ i had a ‘local’ backload and when my loadcard came through, the address was to load at Greenville, Texas (Eastern Dallas) which was about 500 miles awayIf I had got loaded, i would have had 36 hours off somewhere up the road and pressed on, got back to Canada, Tipped reloaded and somewhere along on the way back down ‘slotted in’ another reset.
So, I worked for 5 days (Monday to Friday) with a total duty and driving time of only about 45 hours.
The total elapsed time since i started on Monday till Friday night was about …lets say 110 hours, so my understanding (or misunderstanding) of the rules is that i haven’t completed 168 hours, therefore any reset i take won’t count towards anything until 168 hours have elapsed.
Here’s the extract from the FMCSA rules.
- What are the primary changes of the HOS regulations in this final rule?
A. Restart limited to once per week
The rule limits the use of the “34-hour restart” to once a week (168 hours).(1) What is the purpose of the 168-hour provision?
The purpose of the rule change is to limit work to no more than 70 hours a week on average. Working long daily and weekly hours on a continuing basis is associated with chronic fatigue, a high risk of crashes, and a number of serious chronic health conditions in drivers.(2) What is wrong with taking two 34-hour restarts in a week?
Multiple restarts in each week would not generally be a problem because frequent 34-hour-long off-duty periods would leave little time in a given week to build up excessive duty hours. If, however, restarts are taken every 6 days, a problem does arise: under existing rules, alternating 14 hours on-duty and 10 hours off, a driver would reach 70 hours in less than 5 full days. After a 34-hour break, the driver could then begin this same cycle again, totaling 70 hours on-duty every 6 calendar days, for an average of almost 82 hours per calendar week. Limiting restarts to one every 168 hours prevents this excessive buildup of on-duty hours, while still allowing drivers to use the restart provision to their advantage and avoiding the complexity of special provisions for more frequent restarts.(3) Why doesn’t a 34-hour restart provide the driver enough rest?
A driver using the minimum restart every 5 or 6 days could average 80 or more hours a week. To do this, a driver would have to be working close to 14 hours a day. If a driver did this week after week, he or she would be chronically fatigued — two nights of sleep would only mitigate, not eliminate the slept debt the driver built up during the work week. That sleep debt would increase over time.(4) Which drivers are most likely to be affected by the 168-hour provision?
Drivers who work very long hours (more than 70 per week) on a continuing basis are most likely to be affected by the 168-hour provision. The available data indicate that a small percentage of truckload drivers work these extreme hours.(5) Will the provision limit drivers’ incomes?
The rule will limit income for those drivers who currently are able to drive more than 70 hours a week on a continuing basis. Almost all of the drivers affected by the provision are long-haul truckload drivers who are paid by the mile. The provision reduces possible driving hours less than total duty time.It’s the bit where it says ‘Limiting restarts to one every 168 hours prevents this excessive buildup of on-duty hours’ which gets me confused.
So Pat, being an ‘American’
Cheers
Col
So i’m parked in a Walmart car park for the weekend till Monday and having my reset, passed a big ‘drag strip’ last night, so i’m going there tonight, It looked great from the roadside…
In Lorry driver terms it means if you have two 36 hour breaks within 168 hours you will only be able to call one a reset the other will be called time off. It won’t make a blind bit of difference to you because if you have reset in the previous 168 hours but for whatever reason find the need to park for another day then you will never reach your 70/8. HTH
Thats sums it up in one 
You can take as many as you want, only one of them will count, it’s like to split break rule of 2 and 8 hour breaks, only one 2 hour break will actually count.
The 168 hours rule starts with the beginning of your last reset, i.e. you start your reset on a Friday at 6 pm, you have 36 hrs off, you leave on Sunday at 6 am, so you already have 36 hrs, you are on duty the next 5 days 12 hrs each day, that’s 60 hrs on duty on Thursday evening.
You will have another 10 hrs for Friday to reach your 70 hrs on duty. If you finish working on Friday i.e. at 3 pm and have 70 hrs on duty, you havn’t reached your 168 hrs since the beginning of your last reset (the 168 hrs you will have on Friday 6 pm. You cannot leave before next Sunday at 6 am. The 168 hrs rule starts always with the beginning of your last reset, not the beginning of your new shift. If you’re not working like crazy, it shouldn’t be a problem.
Hope this helps!
Tom
Well put Tom.