Red Airline Breakage

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Own Account Driver:
Not any huge real risk to road safety, different matter if it happened at the start of a journey up the road and you carried on.

If you haven’t got any cable ties you can often kink the red airline and wedge it in a hole in the cat walk.

How can you say no risk to road safety :unamused:

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Not sure if the whole piont of this has got lost along the line, Im not asking how to fix it, i already know that.

I wasnt the one driving it,

and i always carry a spare of each anyway.

Im not a steering wheel attendant who dont wanna get dirty fixin somat if its broke, all im asking is,

if you got stopped by a Vosa guy and he wasnt particulaly in the happiest of moods, what do you think the fine etc would be for driving a loaded trailer with no red airline, on shunt?

Madguy :smiling_imp:

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From the Vosa fixed penalty notice pdf. £60 fine and endorsable.

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Thanks Skip.

Thats bad enough really for doin that if it came to it, personally i would have thought it would have been more but thats bad enough.

Madguy :smiling_imp:

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tell you one thing for certain is you wont ever cut the red line and then just push it back in!!!..

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pierrot 14:

Own Account Driver:
Not any huge real risk to road safety, different matter if it happened at the start of a journey up the road and you carried on.

If you haven’t got any cable ties you can often kink the red airline and wedge it in a hole in the cat walk.

How can you say no risk to road safety :unamused:

Personally I’d only do it to move the a trailer off the carriageway unless I was 100% I could get back to base - you can then always unhitch and bobtail back to base and either fix the red line or come back with another unit.

The shunt allows the use of the stored air in the trailer tanks to hold the parking brake springs off. The absence of the red line means the trailer tanks don’t replenish so you’ve got as long as it lasts until you’re in the same position you were to start with.

I think people are getting mixed up with shunt valve operation and winding off slack adjusters which will mean the trailer’s brakes will not apply in any circumstances - I would still consider doing this if near base with an empty trailer but would only use to crawl off carriageway laden.

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One minute on this forum you’ve got people laying into someone because they’ve gone 30mins over their time, the next minute its apprently fine to drive with no trailer brakes…

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K5Project:
Dunno, but when your been recovered in an artic and they put the underlift under your tractor unit and pull the whole lot do you think they have brakes on your unit or the trailer no? OMG what would VOSA do… WHY DON’T THEY THINK OF THE CHILDREN :laughing:

Geez what is it recently with all the stupid posts I’m surprised alot of you even dare start the truck in the morning OMG what happens if it catches fire or opens up a worm hole to another dimension where VOSA will understand its a temp fix as long as your going to place of repair or your yard :unamused:

have you actually ever been recovered in an artic and trailer?

somehow, i think not, because, you are the second person that i have seen talking ■■■■■■■■ on these forums TODAY!!!

so, as i said to the other one, please leave the advice giving to those who actually know what they are talking about, this will also sae you the embarrassment of looking like a total ■■■■■■■■ in front of the rest of the members :unamused:

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Christ Spanky twice in a day :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: , this time though I’m not spitting coffee over the keypad FPMSL :grimacing: :grimacing:

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you put the coffee down first then :wink: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

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madguy:
o what do you think he would have got if he had been stopped??

Madguy :smiling_imp:

Do you think he could have been stopped? :laughing:

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Winseer:

Conor:

madguy:
I was talking to a mate the other day who was telling me his red airline had snapped, he didnt have a spare so he clamped it off and put the trailer on shunt, then drove back to the yard loaded about 20 miles away.

Usually when they snap it is at the cab end. Just cut the remnants off the brass union on the cab, shove the red pipe back on and you’re good to go again as its a seriously tight fit and ain’t going anywhere.

I’ve done this with the yellow line, but wouldn’t want to risk it with a red one. If it DID work loose in transit, you’re gonna anchor up, possibly causing a serious accident in the process that may or may not involve third parties to boot. Don’t go there. :frowning:

It’s not going to work loose. If the red airline snaps at the cab end, you are left with half an inch of red airline on the union. All you need to do is cut this off, cut a tiny piece off of the remaining red airline so that the end is squared, push it back onto the union and tighten it all up and it is literally good as new.

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At only 20 miles from base why not just get the local linnings and hoses /hgv direct out with a new one.

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dont we need olives/ big spanners / stanley knife to do this still not getting the just push it back in and i have changed a few of these buggers all okay as long has you got tools and every one dont carry em…

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A second hand olive is about as much as an ash tray on a motorbike!

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who said second hand!!!..

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Own Account Driver:
Not any huge real risk to road safety, different matter if it happened at the start of a journey up the road and you carried on.

If you haven’t got any cable ties you can often kink the red airline and wedge it in a hole in the cat walk.

you’ve got to be kidding, i’d do it if i was empty, even then drive steady, fully freighted no chance, i’d seal the red line off and push the shunt button to get out of the traffic then get it sorted.

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i always carry a multi-tool in my work bag for this reason. A good tip if your red airline snaps and you aint got any boiling water to heat the remaining airline is to cut it off square as said before, then stick your night heater on and shove the airline up the outlet for about 5 minutes then pushes on a treat. I hasten to had i didnt take the truck up the road, but it stopped me blocking the customers yard off.

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Just a couple of thoughts…

I wonder why the red line is called supply? what use is supply without control?

I wonder why the yellow is called control? what use is control if there is no supply?

If it was perfectly safe to move loaded trailers around without using their brakes, why do tugs have easy access to the suzies?

Even with my limited knowledge I managed to work out for myself that the recovery operator would want to attach suzies (air & elec) from his truck to my trailer when I was recovered last year. (cylinder 1 wouldn’t bang)

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the red line is called supply because it supplies the trailer tanks with air for both the air suspension and braking system, the yellow line is control because when it is pressurized it operates a relay valve to release air from the tanks into the brake chambers.