Really nasty hills

When I was a young lad in the early 70’s I spent as much time as I could on the road with my Dad. We lived in Hereford at the time, my Dad’s regular work was steel from Llanwern up to the Midlands. I remember in his ex- John Raymond Atki, 180 Gardner and 6speed DB gearbox, that if you needed 1st gear up Aylestone Hill (short but sharp) coming out of Hereford, then you had to bypass Frome’s Hill (long and just as sharp) on the way to Worcester, as Frome’s Hill was always 1 gear lower than Aylestone Hill.

I think I’ve read most - if not all of this thread, but I haven’t seen a mention of the Air Balloon -going up to Birdlip after leaving Gloucester. That’s quite a hill. I managed to scare myself down there in the early 90’s. I was pulling an Eric Mattheuws (from Veurne, ) bulker, loaded with apples for Bulmers in Hereford when I got a bit too confident going down the AIr Balloon. I was in 112 Scania, and as I left the roundabout at the top, I left it in a low gear and held it fine on the exhaust brake - with the occasional dab on the brakes, until I was about halfway down and I thought it would be ok to go up 1 gear. Big mistake. I couldn’t hold it after that - luckily it was about midnight on a Sunday and there wasn’t anything else on the road - but I learned a valuable lesson.

The Cat’s Back on the A3 in Germany is worth a mention too?

Later in the 90’s, I had a big ‘moment’ going down the Bussang on the way to Switzerland. I was doing a lot of Swiss at the time, and knew the road well, it was about September time from memory and was a lovely, sunny day, albeit getting late in the afternoon. What I didn’t reckon on, was a real slippery patch on one of the hairpins after the top, and as I cruised round the bend on the exhaust brake, the drive axle locked up stalling the motor - (I didn’t think this was meant to happen, but it did - was in a Renault Turboliner). Without the power steering, and with only going very slow, I struggled to get some opposite lock on as it started to jack knife. It all seemed to happen very slowly, and I had visions of the trailer pushing me on, and off the egde of the road - with a big drop into the valley below. I had enough time to think that if this doesn’t come back, I’ll just open the door and bail out. Luckily, the drive axle gripped agian and she fired back up,and I steered out of it.

Nowadays I live just outside Adelaide, South Australia. Coming into Adelaide on the South Eastern Freeway is , er, interesting. 6km of continuous downhill is bad enough, but the set of traffic lights at the bottom take the biscuit. Unfortunately there have been many accidents involving trucks running out of brakes, quite a few lives have been lost at the bottom of this hill. There are plenty of warning signs, flashing lights etc…, but people still get it wrong. The speed limit is 60km for trucks at the top of the hill (but still some get done for speeding there), but in reality, in a B Double at 68 tonnes, if you are doing any more than 25kms at the top you aren’t going to make it safely. There are cameras all the way down - supposedly, if you are seen using your brakes more than 4 times you will be nicked. The fact is, if you have to use your brakes at all, your’e going too fast. It’s usually about 2 am when I come down there (after the occasional Nhill change over) and 6kms at 25kmh is a bit tedious to say the least. Thank god for jake brakes though. To make matters worse, at the lights at the bottom of the hill, the majority of trucks turn right, the camber is horrendous as the road just goes across the hill - no positive camber here. Any more than about 15kmh at this point is scarey. As I said earlier, there are too many truck accidents on this hill, and the penalties are heavy - rightly so, but I think the design on the road is poor ( it was only built during the 90’s), but that never gets a mention in the press. Interestingly, there are 2 arrester beds (escape lanes) on the way down, but they are rarely used, I guess people think they will get it back under control before the lights at the bottom - although the $4000 fine for using the arrester beds might not ‘encourage’ people to use them either.

Just on the question of escape lanes, I am often amazed to see that they are rarely properly maintained. They should be ploughed loose on a regular basis to keep them effective, but far too frequently they are allowed literally to go to seed, some are so green with weeds that they would be admired by a cricket enthusiast and certainly I would take my chances on the road, fine or no fine. The thought of hitting those solid banks at the end, or heading off into space is enough to put anyone off taking to the gravel.

One reason for their neglect, finance considerations aside, maybe because in these days of exhaust brakes, electric retarders and Jake brakes, they are, thankfully, never needed. However, newbie drivers should be warned not to be complacent, all the above normally work on drive axles, and what happened to kmills on the Bussang, was always uppermost in my mind when going down the Blanc or Cenisse on a snow covered road.

India seems to have a few sharp little rises too, if these pics are anything to go by! Robert


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And one in Chile:

Oh, and one in China:

The chille one reminds me of the rd coming off la thulie down to albertville but with out the trees .

This was not a very steep hill from what I can remember but it was a really nasty hill.
‘Diesel Mountain in Iraq’, so called because of all the oil spillages from the overloaded Tonkas on their way back to Turkey.
Now I am not sure if what we all called ‘Diesel Mountain’ was between Mosel and Dohuk or Dohuk and Zacho but I am sure that somebody will remember it.

Hi Mushy
Oh what a mess that bit of road was !! especially after the rain… :laughing: :laughing: Yes it was the last bit between Dohuk and Zakho, I used to come up the down side on my way home when empty that way you could miss out that nasty hairpin where the truck would lose traction… :smiling_imp:

If you look closely you can see Mike Walker in his 142 going the correct way.

This one is up the mountain after Belen, Hatay Province, Southern Turkey at the summit, a place called Halilbey, before the long downhill that Robert wrote about. What a great view on a clear day, you could see for miles, in fact at a certain place you could look across and see the mountain that leads to Gaziantep.

There was another nasty hill which could catch the new driver by surprise, just before Istanbul, Buyukcekmece,
20 odd tons on and you were down into low range to get up the ■■■■■■…! The Tonkas used to be screaming up that one, cars had to go left and trucks to the right. :smiley:

Oh and what about the TIR route in Czech before Bratislava, over the “Himalayas”. :laughing:
GS

GS OVERLAND:
Hi Mushy
Oh what a mess that bit of road was !! especially after the rain… :laughing: :laughing: Yes it was the last bit between Dohuk and Zakho, I used to come up the down side on my way home when empty that way you could miss out that nasty hairpin where the truck would lose traction… :smiling_imp:

If you look closely you can see Mike Walker in his 142 going the correct way.

This one is up the mountain after Belen, Hatay Province, Southern Turkey at the summit, a place called Halilbey, before the long downhill that Robert wrote about. What a great view on a clear day, you could see for miles, in fact at a certain place you could look across and see the mountain that leads to Gaziantep.

There was another nasty hill which could catch the new driver by surprise, just before Istanbul, Buyukcekmece,
20 odd tons on and you were down into low range to get up the ■■■■■■…! The Tonkas used to be screaming up that one, cars had to go left and trucks to the right. :smiley:

Oh and what about the TIR route in Czech before Bratislava, over the “Himalayas”. :laughing:
GS

That hill at Buyukcekmece could be nasty in the snow, as could all those hills on the coast road between Istanbul and Ipsala! Robert

Another Turkish blackspot which always commanded respect was going eastbound over Tarsus as we were usually fully freighted. Sometimes it was a good idea to stop at Oryx’s near Adana just to check the brakes or to have a meal which often ended up as an Efes control. :unamused:
After 36 years these photos are getting like a few of us, not as bright as they were and starting to fade a little bit. :laughing:

Buyukcekmece, Turkey.

Almost at the bottom of Tarsus.

GS

Chris Webb:
All hills were nasty in a TK 6-legger. :grimacing:

Ain’t that the truth.

Coming down the other side could also get much too exciting for comfort …

yoyo5:

Jelliot:
In Australia we have the most stupid law, which is no use of foot brakes on descents, everything must be on gears, backed up with an engine brake. No engine brakes after dark in built up areas. If your caught with your foot on the brake its 3 points and $150.

Jeff…

Hi Jeff I cannot remember the law about no brakes on down slopes in Aussie,

Nor me neither. If it’s true the guvmint would fill its coffers chocka-block just from one day on Mt. Ousley (the big drop down into Wollongong) or Victoria Pass (the plummet down when heading west from ■■■■■■■■■

Tubbysboy:
Glad to see this thread back.

Was I the only one who used really hate going down big hills…?

Definitely not. Blend the following ingredients into an unhealthy mix:

  • A TK with a big load on, and
  • piddly drum brakes, and
  • heavy steering, and
  • traffic stopped at the bottom of the hill, and
  • “What’s an exhaust brake”?

ParkRoyal2100:

Tubbysboy:
Glad to see this thread back.

Was I the only one who used really hate going down big hills…?

Definitely not. Blend the following ingredients into an unhealthy mix:

  • A TK with a big load on, and
  • piddly drum brakes, and
  • heavy steering, and
  • traffic stopped at the bottom of the hill, and
  • “What’s an exhaust brake”?

Never had any probs downhill with Foden, ERF n Akkys uphill weren,t so good, Wardley hill on A 47 used to make em cough even though you could get a good run at it,nothing like them abroad mind. With 180 G there was a thing called the Lutterworth drag ( southbound after L F E on M1) 1/2 a gear on a 12sp n full gear on D B, n a gear down with a stiff headwind with full whack on, almost any motorway on the flat

ParkRoyal2100:

Tubbysboy:
Glad to see this thread back.

Was I the only one who used really hate going down big hills…?

Definitely not. Blend the following ingredients into an unhealthy mix:

  • A TK with a big load on, and
  • piddly drum brakes, and
  • heavy steering, and
  • traffic stopped at the bottom of the hill, and
  • “What’s an exhaust brake”?

Hi “Parkroyal12100” Ive had many white knuckle moments when I had a TK Bedford artic with the Scammell coupling gear 725 NVK, With 14 Ton on going over Shap in the 1960s heading north to Rutherglen, They certaniley sorted the men out from the boys :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: , Regards Larry.

Not looked at this subject before but yes Froghall but you can run on the beach going down.Perhaps some of the coach drivers have a few moments of relief when they come from Alton Towers into the village.Swinscoe is a bit better now isn’t it but I think a few had a bit of a problem with the bridge.Thinking about others Calwich bank comes to mind but a few of the old “hills” before they were altered,Collycroft,Draycott Cliff and Weston Bank near Stafford.Sellers and Kent might have some exciting times into Ilam and perhaps George Richardson out of Throwley.
I might be talking a load of ■■■■■■■■ as usual

Tony

rastone:
Not looked at this subject before but yes Froghall but you can run on the beach going down.Perhaps some of the coach drivers have a few moments of relief when they come from Alton Towers into the village.Swinscoe is a bit better now isn’t it but I think a few had a bit of a problem with the bridge.Thinking about others Calwich bank comes to mind but a few of the old “hills” before they were altered,Collycroft,Draycott Cliff and Weston Bank near Stafford.Sellers and Kent might have some exciting times into Ilam and perhaps George Richardson out of Throwley.
I might be talking a load of ■■■■■■■■ as usual

Tony

Hi Tony, Sellers & Kent thats a blast from the past Eh, Big Foden operators in their heyday, Regards Larry.

Mam Tor in it’s day was a fair test of motors , going up round the hairpin always required an application of the cold start on the old S type bedford . Earl’s cement fodens trundled up in crawler . Next to it MamNick down into Edale was really severe with hydraulic brakes although thank goodness we usually came back up empty . Last time i did it was 2003 with a CF Leyland at 44 tons , took some holding . Dave

Lawrence Dunbar:

rastone:
Not looked at this subject before but yes Froghall but you can run on the beach going down.Perhaps some of the coach drivers have a few moments of relief when they come from Alton Towers into the village.Swinscoe is a bit better now isn’t it but I think a few had a bit of a problem with the bridge.Thinking about others Calwich bank comes to mind but a few of the old “hills” before they were altered,Collycroft,Draycott Cliff and Weston Bank near Stafford.Sellers and Kent might have some exciting times into Ilam and perhaps George Richardson out of Throwley.
I might be talking a load of ■■■■■■■■ as usual

Tony

Hi Tony, Sellers & Kent thats a blast from the past Eh, Big Foden operators in their heyday, Regards Larry.

As Fred Kent used to say " Ah quite agree with yer " Good chap !

Happy New Year, brave descenders!! Robert :smiley: