So, lets say on your a bay and its taking ages. You’re running out of hours, what do you do? Do you bail and go find a parking stop to sleep in?
Truckulent:
The only reason stories like this do the rounds is 'cos 49% of drivers are bullshitters and 49% are daft enough to believe it.I’m glad I’m in the 2% that is neither!
Soooo much truth in that!
Seagoon:
Bking:
If your in an RDC you are on private land so just pull the card and drive the truck.I drive the bloody things round all night to put them in the garage for service and I dont put a card in.Never a problem with vosa about driving without a card or lost mileage.
Just a load of pedantic jerks who think they are hard done by.
Back to the uninformed rubbish,eh?
Yes YOU can drive around all night without a card as long as you never leave private land, but the regs. state that if any part of the driving is on the public road then the card must stay in for the whole journey, including any driving on private land.
That’s not to day that it has not been done , but it ain’t legal.
Fine get banned from the RDC for being a pedantic jerk
Im sure the likes of Tesco,Asda etc will be crying into their hankys when you get sacked cos you cant do deliveries to their RDCs or better still get your mates put on the dole because the company has lost the contract.Its called “getting real”
Radar19:
So, lets say on your a bay and its taking ages. You’re running out of hours, what do you do? Do you bail and go find a parking stop to sleep in?
First thing, let them know as soon as possible. If that doesn’t work ask if you can leave the trailer for them to tip at their leisure, and you pick it up in the morning (not much use to rigid drivers, I know), If that fails, you tell them you’re leaving and they’ll have to sign for what they’ve taken off and get the rest the another time. Problem is, you need your boss to back you up…mine does, many wouldn’t.
Bking:
Seagoon:
Bking:
If your in an RDC you are on private land so just pull the card and drive the truck.I drive the bloody things round all night to put them in the garage for service and I dont put a card in.Never a problem with vosa about driving without a card or lost mileage.
Just a load of pedantic jerks who think they are hard done by.
Back to the uninformed rubbish,eh?
Yes YOU can drive around all night without a card as long as you never leave private land, but the regs. state that if any part of the driving is on the public road then the card must stay in for the whole journey, including any driving on private land.
That’s not to day that it has not been done , but it ain’t legal.Fine get banned from the RDC for being a pedantic jerk
Im sure the likes of Tesco,Asda etc will be crying into their hankys when you get sacked cos you cant do deliveries to their RDCs or better still get your mates put on the dole because the company has lost the contract.Its called “getting real”
yea thats right break the law just for asda and Tesco etc who’s licence is it if you break the law knowingly then you will get done vosa don’t have to allow you any extra time to get parked up just because the supermarket’s wont tip you in time and I would think you could end up losing your licence and your job it would be a pretty poor employer who would sack you for getting banned from Tesco we jump through enough hoop’s to retain our licence’s without knowingly breaking the law think before you speak
As I said a reality check needed.
Ok pull out before you run out of time as your such a stickler for the bloody law.
Then try and get the load off next morning.
You will probably run out of time that day as well cos they sure as hell wont be in no rush to tip you then either.
So now we lost 24 hours because you spit your dummy out.
See how long you got a job?
Im sure that if you get to court after being “prosecuted” for an “illegal” move and had the evidence to hand it would be thrown out.
See most magistrates have a bit of common sense,as with some drivers not all but most.
You seem to forget you are being paid to provide a service and if you dont then there are plenty out there that will.
Lets not get ideas above our station eh.
Bking:
Lets not get ideas above our station eh.
At last something we agree on.
What is it you do again?
it must be me but as I understand it if you break the law you do the time and I for 1 am not prepared to have my good character ruined by Tesco asda etc you lot are off your head’s
sayersy:
peter s:
waynedl:
Ok, so we’ve all heard the story of the driver that was running out of time on the bay.Driver warns that they need to finish sharpish or he’ll be sleeping on the bay, warehouse staff take too long, driver sleeps on the bay, warehouse staff tell him to move and start making loads of noise in trailers next to driver, warehouse staff or driver then phone police and police turn up and close off bays either side of driver so he can get his sleep.
First it was ‘someone who worked at our place did it’… But then, another driver ‘it happened to me, I was bringing a load of … back from … (Europe) delivering to … and they did it and it happened.’
So, I argued that it’s just an RDC story, one of the oldest in the book next to all being ex- sas / sbs / (insert special forces name here) and JUST missing THAT boat…
I gets a load of stick and abuse, which may or may not have been deserved… So.
CAN it happen? Is it likely? Personally I say BULL!
Don’t know if this is true or not, BUT, it is quite acceptable to park on the bay or park across the yard with or without your trailer just before you run out of time if your delayed an unreasonable length of time getting tipped on a bay, say two hours or so.
Why. Well the law says…NO PERSON SHALL CAUSE OR PERMIT A DRIVER TO BREACH THE REGULATIONS. That means the LAW applies to everyone, you, your company, the goods-in man, your granny, EVERYONE.
If an RDC delays you so long on a bay,that you eventually run out of time, and as long as you advise them well in advance what time you need to be parked up by, then they have a duty to get you moving.
If you run out of time on the bay, after been there for a couple of hours and after you have kept them informed of the time, then they can’t make you move, simple. If they do then they will have CAUSED you to breach the regulation and they can be punished for doing so. Remember, THEY caused you to breach the regulations.
Likewise, leaving you with say 15mins of duty time left to get off the bay, leave the yard and find somewhere to park and you run out of time doing so then they are still guilty of an offence, as they caused you to exceed your time.
Even the police can’t make you move,( as long as you are not breaking any laws) as they can’t PERMIT you to break the law.Remember folks. Everyone believe’s the rules only apply to the driver and the haulage company. The tachograph rules apply to EVERYONE. That includes the goods-in guys.
What complete nonsense. The law says nothing of the kind. Here is a link to the drivers hours regulations. (the real ones, not the sanitised RHA/FTA version) perhaps you should read them before you make misleading statements.
eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/ … 32006R0561
I would also like the opinion of the police officer that posted earlier as to wether a driver that refused to leave an RDC when told to do so would be trespassing.
on the flip side, the traffic copper can confirm 
that if they don’t let you out, is false imprisonment and keeping you beyond your will! Try it you’ll be surprised! 
NO ONE CAN STOP YOU GOING ABOUT YOUR LAWFUL BUSINESS! You can’t be tresspassing if they’ve let you in, in the first place! I’ve done it at middlewich, magor and the OLD CRICK! Tosscos ring any bells! Wayne DL NOT BS
the problem is too many drivers talk bull [zb]
they have hours left on thier duties and not long had a good break
yet they go into RDC’s complaining and moaning in traffic office
that they are nearly out of hours bla bla bla ,need to get out before ■■■■■■■■ o clock or out of hours
using it as an excuse to jump the queue and get back to their yard early
samsgrandad:
well for all of you smarty pants out there this is a regular occurrence especialy with Tesco they wont be told because they know it all and it happened to me many year’s ago although the police were not called the good’s in supervisor saw sense gave me a ■■■■■■■■■■■■ in between 2 trailer’s and of course before the digi tacho so was able to move ok it was still illegal but we got away with it then this happened at Iceland in enfeild,and the worst recently has been Tesco at dirft it happens on a regular basis but you get the smarty pants driver’s who say ok I will pull my card and drive to rugby truckstop it’s only up the road god help them if they get pulled
Oh god help him if he gets pulled!!! 
Regular as most of the story’s on here you mean.
It’s just nonsense and those that believe this dung need a 1 to 1 with themselves.
I recently spoke to a vosa guy about this subject he told me that Tesco etc should not be holding you up putting you in this situation also your employer shouldn’t if you don’t have 2 hrs before you go in then don’t go in, I also asked him how much if any we could run over our hour’s to get parked up his reply was 15 min’s depending on the circumstances and no more also if he could find that you were doing it regularly ie more than once he would throw the book at you so vosa where are you you tell us what we can and cannot do time you spoke to Tesco as they seem to be the worst for this situation arising so take the pressure off the professional and mabey we could stop bickering about it
If this happens too often, we will end up with a situation where the big RDCs will have us sign a declaration when we arrive saying we have at least 4 hours left. If you don’t have the time, or you refuse to sign, you’ll be turned away.
Tesco say you should allow 2 hrs to tip which is quite fair but it does not alway’s happen that way, also if you have less than 2and a half hour’s duty time then you should not even attempt to go in as we can see from all the post’s youre asking for trouble and this job is stressfull enough without arguing and your boss should not let you go in either but they are only bothered about the load being delivered not the hassle you will have to put up with because when you phone base to tell them guess what he is at home watching the telly and he don’t give a s##t about you
It’s extremely unlikely a company you are delivering to is ever going to be prosecuted under drivers’ hours regulations.
It’s also very unlikely, in the run of the mill, that you will run into any issues for doing printouts to move occasionally if you’re normally relatively infringement free. They do tend to get lumped in though if you or your firm are found guilty of serious hours offences as it’s in the prosecution’s interest to make the defendant look as guilty as possible.
My general advice would be do not let tachograph rules prevent you from moving if you are ■■■■■■■ someone off by blocking their access, feel you have parked in a place that is unsafe or have a genuine family emergency and need to get back home.
When I’ve been short of hours I generally tell them on entrance what time my duty time is up and ask if I will be tipped within that time. I also tell them that if they can’t guarantee a time then I’ll not bother going onto a bay (or entering premises) as I don’t wish to be involved with this situation.
It has never failed me in all my years - forward planning is something we should all be experts at 
dri-diddly-iver:
When I’ve been short of hours I generally tell them on entrance what time my duty time is up and ask if I will be tipped within that time. I also tell them that if they can’t guarantee a time then I’ll not bother going onto a bay (or entering premises) as I don’t wish to be involved with this situation.It has never failed me in all my years - forward planning is something we should all be experts at
Too many drivers are just looking for an opportunity for a ■■■ for tat tantrum. They might have been treated unjustifiable rudely by staff there but it’s better to rise above it. The idea they’re ever going to roll out the red carpet for lorry drivers is just a fantasy.
Own Account Driver:
They might have been treated unjustifiable rudely by staff there but it’s better to rise above it.
Exactly! State your case on entry then it’s their decision - no argument. They are aware BEFORE they start to tip.
the maoster:
Bking:
Lets not get ideas above our station eh.At last something we agree on.
What is it you do again?
A skilled job. And You?
sayersy:
If this happens too often, we will end up with a situation where the big RDCs will have us sign a declaration when we arrive saying we have at least 4 hours left. If you don’t have the time, or you refuse to sign, you’ll be turned away.
He who pays the piper calls the tune.
And the Supermarkets pay.
The real laugh is the the hauliers do not give a monkeys
Your sat on your ■■■ not burning diesel,rubbing tyres or clocking hours.
Its YOUR time and (with a bit of luck) you might be on night out money doing him a favour.
So pull out or just stop ■■■■■■■.
Only way to make a difference is either pull out or take the 11 from when your out the depot.
Either way your boss looses so f him.Then something might change.It will never happen though will it.Wonder how many trampers would sit “late” to get home saturday morning.
All of them if they have any sense.