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newmercman:
You tube is running slow today, he’ll be along soon don’t worry :laughing:

I wonder which direction the next tangent will take, we’ve gone from the M5 to Charles de Gaulle airport, lorries to planes.

Who needs youtube when I realised my mistake after it was confirmed by the CAA and the FAA and VOSA,that in the event of an engine fire warning on take off (let alone a ruptured fuel tank pouring out fuel in massive quantities that has been ignited that the pilot should have guessed even if he doesn’t actually know about it) all pilots have been advised not to shut down the burning engine and use the fire extinguisher but put the plane into a vertical dive and then pull up when the air stream has blown the fire out.

In the case of a fire on a moving truck the speed limiter must be disabled and the wagon taken up to sufficient speed for the air stream to blow out the fire. :open_mouth: :unamused: :smiling_imp:

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Carryfast:

newmercman:
You tube is running slow today, he’ll be along soon don’t worry :laughing:

I wonder which direction the next tangent will take, we’ve gone from the M5 to Charles de Gaulle airport, lorries to planes.

Who needs youtube when I realised my mistake after it was confirmed by the CAA and the FAA and VOSA,that in the event of an engine fire warning on take off (let alone a ruptured fuel tank pouring out fuel in massive quantities that has been ignited that the pilot should have guessed even if he doesn’t actually know about it) all pilots have been advised not to shut down the burning engine and use the fire extinguisher but put the plane into a vertical dive and then pull up when the air stream has blown the fire out.

In the case of a fire on a moving truck the speed limiter must be disabled and the wagon taken up to sufficient speed for the air stream to blow out the fire. :open_mouth: :unamused: :smiling_imp:

Just like a hollow turd, you keep popping back up :laughing: :laughing:

When my Dad was on Esso, SOP was to keep going in the event of a tyre catching alight, probably all different in today’s HSE infested world, but the idea has some merit. I had a bit of a brake fire on a step frame tilt in Austria, an old one with ridiculously small drums and only a tandem to boot, I stopped and looked and saw the flames, common sense told me that the trailer floor would be next unless I got outa Dodge and got some air flowing around things, it worked too :open_mouth: I doubt a modern air suspended trailer would do it without blowing an air bag or bolloxing up an ABS sensor though, mind you, to get back on topic, a bit of rain wouldn’t hurt :laughing:

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I agree totally about the standards of driving going down. Also one point I’d like to add, I hear it said from time to time that driving is easy, it shouldn’t be. Things can change in a second, you should be as close to 100% focussed and concentrating as you can be, so it should be mentally tiring, not easy and you should be tired at the end of a shift. I’m not perfect but 25 years without an ‘at fault’ crash backs that up, I’m always tired after a shift. If it don’t hurt you aint doing it right, is what my old American Football coach used to say.

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Its amazing how so many people on this site never do a thing wrong, drive to the letter of the law, display exellent driving skill at all times and are never under pressure… For some people, taking a nap half way through the job, driving at 40 everywhere, taking an hour for lunch etc isn’t possible so just remember that, doesnt mean to say i think its acceptable for people to drive like knobs what i mean is that sometimes its the firms that put drivers under that much pressure they feel they have to drive like that to keep their jobs.

Those people that can jsut swan about at work and hang the job out etc need not to comment back.

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And when you have that prang, just watch your gaffers drop you like a hot potato and hang you out to dry.
The point is this. Its your licence and your life, you dont get a rerun. If your firm pressures you just give them the keys and say “Show me how its done”

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newmercman:

Carryfast:

newmercman:
You tube is running slow today, he’ll be along soon don’t worry :laughing:

I wonder which direction the next tangent will take, we’ve gone from the M5 to Charles de Gaulle airport, lorries to planes.

Who needs youtube when I realised my mistake after it was confirmed by the CAA and the FAA and VOSA,that in the event of an engine fire warning on take off (let alone a ruptured fuel tank pouring out fuel in massive quantities that has been ignited that the pilot should have guessed even if he doesn’t actually know about it) all pilots have been advised not to shut down the burning engine and use the fire extinguisher but put the plane into a vertical dive and then pull up when the air stream has blown the fire out.

In the case of a fire on a moving truck the speed limiter must be disabled and the wagon taken up to sufficient speed for the air stream to blow out the fire. :open_mouth: :unamused: :smiling_imp:

Just like a hollow turd, you keep popping back up :laughing: :laughing:

When my Dad was on Esso, SOP was to keep going in the event of a tyre catching alight, probably all different in today’s HSE infested world, but the idea has some merit. I had a bit of a brake fire on a step frame tilt in Austria, an old one with ridiculously small drums and only a tandem to boot, I stopped and looked and saw the flames, common sense told me that the trailer floor would be next unless I got outa Dodge and got some air flowing around things, it worked too :open_mouth: I doubt a modern air suspended trailer would do it without blowing an air bag or bolloxing up an ABS sensor though, mind you, to get back on topic, a bit of rain wouldn’t hurt :laughing:

Luckily for me I didn’t use the same logic with the brake fire that I had on the old Atki gritter.That one one was all down to a binding brake on one side of one of it’s drive axles and keeping going would just have got it even hotter. :open_mouth: :laughing:

But it was truckulent who raised the issue of pilot type exams making a difference to the bad driver situation,not me when,as anyone knows,it’s all about common sense which is why I raised the example of the Tenerife air crash which proved that the KLM plane’s flight engineer would have been a better pilot than it’s pilot was even though that flight engineer obviously probably hadn’t done,or needed to have done,any pilot exams when he asked that question as to wether the runway was clear in front of them. :bulb:

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Saaamon:
Its amazing how so many people on this site never do a thing wrong, drive to the letter of the law, display exellent driving skill at all times and are never under pressure… For some people, taking a nap half way through the job, driving at 40 everywhere, taking an hour for lunch etc isn’t possible so just remember that, doesnt mean to say i think its acceptable for people to drive like knobs what i mean is that sometimes its the firms that put drivers under that much pressure they feel they have to drive like that to keep their jobs.

Those people that can jsut swan about at work and hang the job out etc need not to comment back.

Being under pressure and running above the speed limit,in the right places and conditions,is one thing but driving too close to the vehicle in front is something else.It doesn’t matter how much pressure that a driver is under the latter won’t work,it doesn’t save any time and is just dangerous. :bulb:

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Carryfast:

newmercman:

Carryfast:

newmercman:
You tube is running slow today, he’ll be along soon don’t worry :laughing:

I wonder which direction the next tangent will take, we’ve gone from the M5 to Charles de Gaulle airport, lorries to planes.

Who needs youtube when I realised my mistake after it was confirmed by the CAA and the FAA and VOSA,that in the event of an engine fire warning on take off (let alone a ruptured fuel tank pouring out fuel in massive quantities that has been ignited that the pilot should have guessed even if he doesn’t actually know about it) all pilots have been advised not to shut down the burning engine and use the fire extinguisher but put the plane into a vertical dive and then pull up when the air stream has blown the fire out.

In the case of a fire on a moving truck the speed limiter must be disabled and the wagon taken up to sufficient speed for the air stream to blow out the fire. :open_mouth: :unamused: :smiling_imp:

Just like a hollow turd, you keep popping back up :laughing: :laughing:

When my Dad was on Esso, SOP was to keep going in the event of a tyre catching alight, probably all different in today’s HSE infested world, but the idea has some merit. I had a bit of a brake fire on a step frame tilt in Austria, an old one with ridiculously small drums and only a tandem to boot, I stopped and looked and saw the flames, common sense told me that the trailer floor would be next unless I got outa Dodge and got some air flowing around things, it worked too :open_mouth: I doubt a modern air suspended trailer would do it without blowing an air bag or bolloxing up an ABS sensor though, mind you, to get back on topic, a bit of rain wouldn’t hurt :laughing:

Luckily for me I didn’t use the same logic with the brake fire that I had on the old Atki gritter.That one one was all down to a binding brake on one side of one of it’s drive axles and keeping going would just have got it even hotter. :open_mouth: :laughing:

But it was truckulent who raised the issue of pilot type exams making a difference to the bad driver situation,not me when,as anyone knows,it’s all about common sense which is why I raised the example of the Tenerife air crash which proved that the KLM plane’s flight engineer would have been a better pilot than it’s pilot was even though that flight engineer obviously probably hadn’t done,or needed to have done,any pilot exams when he asked that question as to wether the runway was clear in front of them. :bulb:

Hey, I merely said that’s how they keep idiots out of aviation. Despite the comments it remains safer flying than driving a lorry - by quite a margin. If you had to go through the same training to drive a lorry you have to fly commercially, there wouldn’t be any lorry drivers…not unless wages were increased to around 35K/year starting money (for working no more than 900 hours/year max, or about the same as a driver works in 4 months) up to around the £150K mark for a BA training captain…cost to train as an ATPL is now around the £80K-£100K mark, not 2k like driving…anyone fancy paying out £80k+ - and then earning £7.50/hour…? :laughing:

Flight engineers have to pass a fair few exams incidentally…most are brighter than the pilots…

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Saaamon:
Its amazing how so many people on this site never do a thing wrong, drive to the letter of the law, display exellent driving skill at all times and are never under pressure… For some people, taking a nap half way through the job, driving at 40 everywhere, taking an hour for lunch etc isn’t possible so just remember that, doesnt mean to say i think its acceptable for people to drive like knobs what i mean is that sometimes its the firms that put drivers under that much pressure they feel they have to drive like that to keep their jobs.

Those people that can jsut swan about at work and hang the job out etc need not to comment back.

You have to remember that talk is cheap, typing words on an internet forum are even cheaper :open_mouth:

There are lots of jobs out there with ridiculously tight schedules, deliveries/collections that have a 15min window, either side of that and you’re [zb]ed. The thing is, driving right up the arse of the lorry in front isn’t really going to make a lot of difference to your arrival time, even if you do it to twenty lorries on your way to the job, you will only have covered a few hundred metres a few seconds faster. That minute time saving could be won or lost at a set of traffic lights :bulb:

However, if everything was to suddenly stop and you don’t, until you smash into the lorry in front, it will make a difference, a [zb]ing great big difference :open_mouth:

I’m not one of the holier than thou gang, never have been and never will be. I’ve probably broken every rule in the book at some point and tailgating was one of them, the sight of lorries that had smashed into the back of other lorries didn’t put me off, I was invincible, but one night I had a dream, at the time I was belting around in a V8 Scania with no limiter and running on a log book, so you can probably guess how much attention I paid to speed limits, all day long, everybody was in my way and I was forever pushing people down the road. Anyway, in my dream I was following a lorry and it suddenly came hurtling back at me, not because it had reversed or anything, but because it had suddenly stopped, but it came back so quick, it was if it had been fired out of a cannon at me. That changed my outlook and my driving style considerably :open_mouth:

Every now and then I get a bit frustrated if a slower lorry is holding me up, I find myself getting too close and I start to feel uncomfortable and very vulnerable and I back off to a safe distance, it doesn’t guarantee that I won’t hit something up the arse, but it lowers the odds enough :wink: