eagerbeaver:
mattecube:
eagerbeaver:
:lol: Just as a side note on this subject, I assume you are aware the minimum wage in April 2018 will be £8.05.
Any sign of a pay increase? 
when I know I will post it we can celebrate…but I will bet you a £1 to a pinch of rocking horse pooh someone will of just had double that!
I think it’s a f**king disgrace personally that drivers are paid that amount. I am not knocking you personally fella as I am well aware that everyone’s situation is different.
In an ideal world drivers would simply not work for those wages. Is there not anywhere local to you who pay’s better?
Maybe there is. But as he said a few posts above, despite the low rates, the company’s ok to work for, the kit is up to scratch (I can’t recall seeing many ropy Keedwell rigs on the road), and the work is ok and legal, with no pressure. Some drivers like a relaxed life, that pays the bills. Some drivers like to chase every penny, and than some. Some drivers think that money is everything. Good for them. Have fun.
I would rather work for a big, legal running, company that pays a little less, than for somebody who runs you ragged.
That’s all well and valid Mule.
But as the month’s tick by, some of these firms are becoming barely any more than minimum wage 
I am not saying wagon driving is a MENSA approved occupation (as proven by some of the retards who drive them), but surely piloting 44 tonnes should pay better than this? Unless drivers start boycotting these firms they will continue to take the ■■■■ 
eagerbeaver:
That’s all well and valid Mule.
But as the month’s tick by, some of these firms are becoming barely any more than minimum wage
I am not saying wagon driving is a MENSA approved occupation (as proven by some of the retards who drive them), but surely piloting 44 tonnes should pay better than this? Unless drivers start boycotting these firms they will continue to take the ■■■■
I have to agree EB, there’s van drivers get paid more than that.
eagerbeaver:
That’s all well and valid Mule.
But as the month’s tick by, some of these firms are becoming barely any more than minimum wage
I am not saying wagon driving is a MENSA approved occupation (as proven by some of the retards who drive them), but surely piloting 44 tonnes should pay better than this? Unless drivers start boycotting these firms they will continue to take the ■■■■
I agree with you oh keen one, but in our world of supply and demand, some, most, companies will pay as little as they can get away with. Part of the problem is the relentless drive down of transport rates, by companies undercutting each other to secure work. And that is a well discussed problem of the big ‘logistics’ firms, but it’s certainly not restricted to them. Drivers are stuck at the bottom of the heap. We don’t dictate wages, we, like almost every other worker in a large pool, have to accept what’s on offer, because there’s always somebody to take the job if we decline it. Most drivers can’t afford, or don’t have the mindset, to say ‘no, that is not enough, I won’t work here’, either because no better job is around, or the job on offer suits their (family) circumstances.
“Yes, the money is ■■■■, but I see my kids every day” for example. How many old hands, who can tie a dolly behind their back, and know how to drive a crash box, and made lots of money in “the good old days”, are telling you that they never saw their kids grow up, because they were always at work.
Slate the companies, but don’t blame the drivers for working for ■■■■ wages, because it may be all they can get.
the nodding donkey:
eagerbeaver:
That’s all well and valid Mule.
But as the month’s tick by, some of these firms are becoming barely any more than minimum wage
I am not saying wagon driving is a MENSA approved occupation (as proven by some of the retards who drive them), but surely piloting 44 tonnes should pay better than this? Unless drivers start boycotting these firms they will continue to take the ■■■■
I agree with you oh keen one, but in our world of supply and demand, some, most, companies will pay as little as they can get away with. Part of the problem is the relentless drive down of transport rates, by companies undercutting each other to secure work. And that is a well discussed problem of the big ‘logistics’ firms, but it’s certainly not restricted to them. Drivers are stuck at the bottom of the heap. We don’t dictate wages, we, like almost every other worker in a large pool, have to accept what’s on offer, because there’s always somebody to take the job if we decline it. Most drivers can’t afford, or don’t have the mindset, to say ‘no, that is not enough, I won’t work here’, either because no better job is around, or the job on offer suits their (family) circumstances.
“Yes, the money is [zb], but I see my kids every day” for example. How many old hands, who can tie a dolly behind their back, and know how to drive a crash box, and made lots of money in “the good old days”, are telling you that they never saw their kids grow up, because they were always at work.
Slate the companies, but don’t blame the drivers for working for [zb] wages, because it may be all they can get.
Totally agree mate. The thing is though, the office knobs mostly CANNOT drive the wagon’s. And guess what…if the loads don’t get delivered, the company folds…bye bye office knobs.
But the drivers can simply start again the following day. It’s the drivers who can start saying NO and put these crap paying companies under pressure…it just takes a touch of belief and courage.
But the drivers can simply start again the following day. It’s the drivers who can start saying NO and put these crap paying companies under pressure…it just takes a touch of belief and courage
In theory, yes. But it would need most drivers doing it at the same time. You are talking about strike action and organised drivers, sticking together. See Rob for details… 
eagerbeaver:
mattecube:
eagerbeaver:
:lol: Just as a side note on this subject, I assume you are aware the minimum wage in April 2018 will be £8.05.
Any sign of a pay increase?
when I know I will post it we can celebrate…but I will bet you a £1 to a pinch of rocking horse pooh someone will of just had double that!
I think it’s a f**king disgrace personally that drivers are paid that amount. I am not knocking you personally fella as I am well aware that everyone’s situation is different.
In an ideal world drivers would simply not work for those wages. Is there not anywhere local to you who pay’s better?
Sadly as we all know this world is not ideal,the job is no longer ideal, anything nearby paying better simple answer no there is a job on offer at the moment waste recycling national company £25 k
TiredAndEmotional:
mattecube:
I will earn about 29k no weekends plus night out money
60 hours at your rates is 28k…and doing that every week is illegal, but hey nobody bothers about wtd now do they?
I trust you have taken time to read how I arrive at £29k, and your cavalier remark about WTD I can assure you that Keedwells are bothered about the WTD as I am and monitor it weekly with all the drivers, and look to correct continual failures to adhere to transport legislation.
mattecube:
TiredAndEmotional:
mattecube:
I will earn about 29k no weekends plus night out money
60 hours at your rates is 28k…and doing that every week is illegal, but hey nobody bothers about wtd now do they?
I trust you have taken time to read how I arrive at £29k, and your cavalier remark about WTD I can assure you that Keedwells are bothered about the WTD as I am and monitor it weekly with all the drivers, and look to correct continual failures to adhere to transport legislation.
My remark was based entirely on the way you laid out the details in an earlier post. If you wish to avoid such remarks please post all details in full with absolute clarity, Thank you! 
But the drivers can simply start again the following day. It’s the drivers who can start saying NO and put these crap paying companies under pressure…it just takes a touch of belief and courage.
So a company with say 50 drivers folds, because the drivers stuck together and said no. The next day 50 drivers are all looking for jobs.
I can’t see how that will strengthen wage rates to be honest…
Darkside:
But the drivers can simply start again the following day. It’s the drivers who can start saying NO and put these crap paying companies under pressure…it just takes a touch of belief and courage.
So a company with say 50 drivers folds, because the drivers stuck together and said no. The next day 50 drivers are all looking for jobs.
I can’t see how that will strengthen wage rates to be honest…
Jeez H mate …I had a gob full of coffee there and had to spray it out…50 drivers stick together to improve their conditions?? 
you would be hard pushed to find 2 drivers sticking together for that purpose.
God, my sides are aching now, turn it in will you, there’s more chance of me copping off with Holly Willoughby.
Don’t believe what they want you to believe, because they will think you are gullible.
There is no way they or any other firm would fold, 
There would be a series of steps, negotiations and compromises before it got anywhere near that stage…fact. 
As long as drivers swallow and believe all that type of crap you (and me ) will always be on crap pay.
Darkside:
But the drivers can simply start again the following day. It’s the drivers who can start saying NO and put these crap paying companies under pressure…it just takes a touch of belief and courage.
So a company with say 50 drivers folds, because the drivers stuck together and said no. The next day 50 drivers are all looking for jobs.
I can’t see how that will strengthen wage rates to be honest…
The 50 drivers simply apply for another job and get driving again (usually within 48 hours unlike the office knobs who aren’t worth a carrot). At the rates these parasite companies are offering, you are barely any worse off cleaning toilets, so there is nothing to lose for these drivers.
It’s about time these crap companies went under…if they get the message that truck drivers won’t work for less than £10 per hour it would be a simple case of paying it or having no haulage company Drivers don’t have to stick together, all they have to do as individuals is simply boycott these firms and they will end up between a rock and a hard place.
robroy:
Darkside:
But the drivers can simply start again the following day. It’s the drivers who can start saying NO and put these crap paying companies under pressure…it just takes a touch of belief and courage.
So a company with say 50 drivers folds, because the drivers stuck together and said no. The next day 50 drivers are all looking for jobs.
I can’t see how that will strengthen wage rates to be honest…
Jeez H mate …I had a gob full of coffee there and had to spray it out…50 drivers stick together to improve their conditions??
God, my sides are aching now, turn it in will you, there’s more chance of me copping off with Holly Willoughby.
Don’t believe what they want you to believe, because they will think you are gullible.
There is no way they or any other firm would fold, there would be a series of steps, negotiations and compromised before it got anywhere near that stage.
As long as drivers swallow and believe all that type of crap you (and me ) will always be on crap pay.
I know I was analysing what was being suggested…
At the end of the day the only way pay will go up is when the number of jobs exceeds the number of drivers- end of…
TiredAndEmotional:
mattecube:
TiredAndEmotional:
mattecube:
I will earn about 29k no weekends plus night out money
60 hours at your rates is 28k…and doing that every week is illegal, but hey nobody bothers about wtd now do they?
I trust you have taken time to read how I arrive at £29k, and your cavalier remark about WTD I can assure you that Keedwells are bothered about the WTD as I am and monitor it weekly with all the drivers, and look to correct continual failures to adhere to transport legislation.
My remark was based entirely on the way you laid out the details in an earlier post. If you wish to avoid such remarks please post all details in full with absolute clarity, Thank you!
Which post on Wtd was that then… oh no wait a minute you interpreted the way you wanted to , and got it wrong oh dear oh dear. Last post on this from me. Stay lucky
In all honesty do you Keedwell guys think your worth only £8.92hr and a pitiful extra 33p/hr on OT??
I work for large Northern Ireland firm and countrywide our wages are average.
BUT:
I’m on salary (set rate net of tax per shift) 3nights out week and I keep a tight eye on my “hourly” rate.
Rarely go under £10hr take home and last Thur/Fri got it so handy the hourly rate was actually £14.85 TAKE HOME!!![emoji41]
£9hr would be as low as I’d go would need to be a BIG OT rate kicking in after 40hrs and extra for nights/Sat and double time for Sun’s.
There are just too many driver jobs out there to settle for PISH wages!!![emoji52]
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robroy:
Darkside:
But the drivers can simply start again the following day. It’s the drivers who can start saying NO and put these crap paying companies under pressure…it just takes a touch of belief and courage.
So a company with say 50 drivers folds, because the drivers stuck together and said no. The next day 50 drivers are all looking for jobs.
I can’t see how that will strengthen wage rates to be honest…
Jeez H mate …I had a gob full of coffee there and had to spray it out…50 drivers stick together to improve their conditions?? you would be hard pushed to find 2 drivers sticking together for that purpose.
God, my sides are aching now, turn it in will you, there’s more chance of me copping off with Holly Willoughby.
Don’t believe what they want you to believe, because they will think you are gullible.
There is no way they or any other firm would fold,
There would be a series of steps, negotiations and compromises before it got anywhere near that stage…fact.
As long as drivers swallow and believe all that type of crap you (and me ) will always be on crap pay.
Being honest Rob, if my lot went on strike, I’d wrap up the same day. Not that I can see them ever doing that!
Heard a rumour today that Keadwell drivers have an upcoming wage increase to look forward to!
albion:
Being honest Rob, if my lot went on strike, I’d wrap up the same day. Not that I can see them ever doing that!
Yeh but if what I have read on here is right you seem to look after and value your drivers, and no doubt your drivers will return the favour with loyalty and hard work.
It’s the firms that treat their drivers with contempt and undervalue them that cause the unrest. (unless the drivers are a bit thick of course, so are oblivious to it)
These firms can not see it is counter productive, it manifests it’s self by causing unrest and apathy among the better drivers.
It sickens the good lads and increases the monkey contingent.
The sooner you all cop on to the money you earn is all related to your extra time unpaid and you think you are earning a good wage never going to happen in this game you really work for less if your a tamper at least half off that and thats a fact it’s a mugs vocation
nightline:
The sooner you all cop on to the money you earn is all related to your extra time unpaid and you think you are earning a good wage never going to happen in this game you really work for less if your a tamper at least half off that and thats a fact it’s a mugs vocation
The fact for many it is a vocation for many, (like nursing or farming), is why wages are lower than what they could be.