Questions about plant haulage

Obviously the OP can choose to listen to my advice.Or anyone who thinks that hauling ‘plant’ , in the accepted sense of the word, is the same thing as packs of bricks or blocks or cattle.
Or who thinks that fire trucks are just big and red trucks built for stock waiting for a customer.Where it’s first test to see if it’s quick enough will be on route to its first shout assuming anyone wants to buy it.

Herein lays the problem. Most of those seeking advice, are new to the industry or sector.
The latter may be aware of your propensity to talk from the wrong end, of your torso, but the former not so.
The vast majority of the contributors to this forum are knowledgeable and experienced, happy to share that knowledge and experience with those seeking advice. Whilst the K & E of these fellows is basically similar, details and methods may vary, presenting an opportunity for insightful discussion and exchange of knowledge.
Your input has no base in K or E, but is borne from negatively and bitterness at your failure to succeed in the industry.
Anyone who chose transport as a career, who throughout that career kept their family fed and sheltered, be they an employee driver or entrepreneur such as Bewick, only succeeded due to the effort they put into their various roles.
Not one of these fellows sat back, waiting for success to fall into their laps, like you did, then wondered why you failed when all around you did not.

Before you roll out the human forklift bs excuse, if you hadn’t convinced Mummy to write you excuses from phys ed, you would have built the fortitude and stamina, to realise life isn’t about never expending physical energy.
In other words, you know SFA about this industry, so stop leading others with similar knowledge levels astray with your inaccurate, fantastical assumptions. Leave the advice to those of us who know.

So tell me exactly what was wrong about the advice which I gave to the OP ?.
Advice which you for some reason you denegrated in your usual attack the poster not the post style.
Worse than that obviously based on the fact that you know as much about plant haulage as you do about fire truck manufacturing.Which is clearly the square root of FA.
Bearing in mind my Dad was a Diamond T tank transport driver in WW2 and who …didn’t give me any advice when I coincidentally ended up doing something similar in a smaller way.Not because I wasn’t up to it but because he just didn’t want me to be a truck driver.

Okay, so your Dad’s bigger than my Dad. My Dad was in the Navy, but not old enough to join until the war was well and truly over. :rofl:
Maybe way back then, your Dad didn’t offer advice, because even he could see you didn’t have the gumption to make it. Or maybe you were pointing out how totally wrong he had been doing it.

What’s wrong with your advice? All that needs to be said is: Kruger-Dunning.

Probably best we don’t get into a di ck waving competition about plant movements, unless you have more experience than the little bits and bobs for the local council. Come back to compare notes and experience, when you’ve driven a quad and dolly with mining or real civil engineering plant.

Unfortunately there is no point debating your posts, you simply argue black is white. You want to teach me about road trains, when I have driven them, but you’ve never seen one in the flesh. As I said Kruger-Dunning, look it up.

You’re not bad at attacking the poster yourself. It doesn’t worry me, knock yourself out. I would have concerns if one of the vast majority of posters, whose contributions I hold in esteem, were to attack me.

Worldwide, this industry needs more young participants. The young people who come here looking for advice, need encouragement and real life experience based advice. They’re not offering you an avenue to moan and cry that your face didn’t fit, because you couldn’t demonstrate you were capable of getting off the bottom rung.

By your logic I also didn’t have the gumption to make it as an engineer either.
When the actual argument between me and him was that I didn’t ‘want to be’ an engineer as much as he didn’t ‘want to be’ a driver or more importantly me to be a driver.
So back to the topic exactly what are you saying was wrong about my advice to the OP ? other than ypur usual tirade of personal animosity bs.
While ironically yes I actually only found the training film that he would have seen after he’d died.I never had the chance to ask him why were they expected to drop the trailer and nose it into position for loading in a combat area.Rather than just reverse it.Although admittedly the Diamond T doesn’t seem to have had power steering but I’d still have preferred a court martial than to drop a bleedin drawbar then turn around re couple it and nose it.
But like me he never seemed to have lost a tank off the back or off the ramps while loading or unloading.Or snapped a winch cable.
Ironically for the OP winching and ramp loading skills would prove far more useful than learning to use a Hiab.
Check out tank loading fails on YouTube for guidance regarding what can go wrong.
Although luckily in my case the load deck of the multi lift was obviously at ground level.
Not beaver tail/ramp type like the Rogers among others.
You obviously won’t have the slightest clue what I’m referring to.

My logic is right, you did not have the gumption to make it as an engineer. By your own admission, you failed to complete an apprenticeship so there was no chance of you going to university and getting a degree in engineering.

Presumably what you refer to as a multi lift, is a hook truck.
I’ve never used one as a demountable flat top, only to load and unload skip bins. Obviously you would only be loading mini machines, pedestrian rollers and the like. It would take a big effort to stuff that up, especially at ground level. Try loading tracked machines, pavers, graders, articulated dump trucks, drum, sheepsfoot and multi tyred rollers, up to three and a half metres wide onto a float a metre less wide. I never lost one either! The difference between your Dad, me and you being, you’ve never tried to load a tracked machine onto a trailer, so a bit hard for you to lose one. Anything that an Albion Clydesdale can carry, can be loaded by a SLC, in fact there are SLCs that can pick up your fully loaded Clydesdale.

As for your preference to face court martial; good thing you never tried or got accepted into the military. Mavericks are for the movies, not a properly disciplined organisation. Another fail for you.

Your advice? Where do I start? At various times you’ve made such a fool of yourself with many rediculous claims. Just a few, UK should allow road trains, UK should allow ten axle truck and dogs, the aforementioned powered with Detroit 8-92, self loading crane trucks should be double manned (one to drive the truck, one to operate the crane, truck drivers are only that and should not play any part in loading or unloading their own vehicle. As I mentioned in my previous post, Kruger-Dunning, look it up, it will be like looking in a mirror. You will surely see yourself at the top of the first peak.
In a nutshell, your father discouraged you to be a truck driver, look how that turned out, you failed. Keen people are coming here for balanced advice and the opportunity to benefit from others’ experience. You can offer neither, merely discouragement. Do you want them to fail, or are you trying to starve the industry of keen, hard-working entrants?

Firstly no a multi lift isn’t exclusively a hook loader design.
Ours was the cable type.Which also doubled as a winch using a heavy spreader bar and cable attachment.As in all cases getting the alignment of the winch pull right v the load and load deck was even more critical with the twinned cables pulling on the spreader.
But can’t imagine what doing it with maybe an MG42 or two pointing at you would have been like.
I thought the Ozzy driver depicted in the Cattle Carters was an arrogant ■■■■■■ but at least he had a sense of humour unlike you.

Actually Carryfast, I’m renown for my sense of humour, sometimes inappropriately timed SoH, other times simply inappropriate. What I am not noted for is my sufferance of fools.