delboytwo:
the trouble with the other driver flashing you is what could be the problem as the other driver mite think its for them that the driver flashed
i was always told be very careful when you get a flash in cost the car to the right of you normal is not looking at you but the car in the lane there want and may not see your signal
And isn’t that part of the problem? How many threads about this have been posted? So and so company will not flash our company in, these (zb) will not flash, etc.
I don’t always flash or expect flashes either, unless it will help my situation. We are not driving 1950s trucks with vibrating beermat sized mirrors, no heaters and a blanket over our knees.
If a car flashes me I generally ignore it, as they do not understand what the flash denotes,
annitram:
Your argument was going quite well ROG until you you suggested that the driver on the left is able to control the situation better and here in the prescribed situation you are very wrong. The driver in the left hand lane no matter how many times he checks his mirrors will not have as good a view as the driver in the right hand lane facing forwards and as such common sense says it must be the one with the view who should give way
If both drivers signalled correctly with their intent for about 6 clicks of the indicator before moving then this situation would be unlikely to occur in the first place.
annitram:
Both of these vehicles are travelling in the same direction and the onus must lie with the overtaking vehicle to conduct the manoeuvre safely, ie:- it is obviously not safe to return to the lane to his left as someone else is moving into it.
What about the one who is intending to overtake - that one is safe in lane 1 so why should the intending to overtake vehicle have priority - what does it say in the highway code -
163
Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should
not get too close to the vehicle you intend to overtake
use your mirrors, signal when it is safe to do so, take a quick sideways glance if necessary into the blind spot area and then start to move out
Lane discipline
133
If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over.
167
DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
when you would force another road user to swerve or slow down
Unless you want to overtake fresh air, surely the only reason you want to move from lane 1 to 2 is to overtake a slower vehicle or lane 1 is closed. With plenty of indication, the car driver should be able to see the lorry drivers intentions, stay in lane 3 and allow the lorry to pull out ?
Whatever happened to being aware,reading the road ahead or good ole common sense - simples :l
Suedehead:
Unless you want to overtake fresh air, surely the only reason you want to move from lane 1 to 2 is to overtake a slower vehicle or lane 1 is closed. With plenty of indication, the car driver would be able to see the lorry drivers intentions, stay in lane 3 and allow the lorry to pull out ?
Whatever happend to being aware,reading the road ahead or good ole common sense - simples :l
If the truck give plenty of indicator warning well before moving then I agree with you but how many do you see that just indicate and virtually move at the same time - I see that all the time!!
I recommend to give 6 indicator clicks then start to move if safe - it gives the other road users time to accomodate - this 6 clicks ‘rule’ is not in any book that I have ever seen but it seems to work
Suedehead:
Unless you want to overtake fresh air, surely the only reason you want to move from lane 1 to 2 is to overtake a slower vehicle or lane 1 is closed. With plenty of indication, the car driver would be able to see the lorry drivers intentions, stay in lane 3 and allow the lorry to pull out ?
Whatever happend to being aware,reading the road ahead or good ole common sense - simples :l
If the truck give plenty of indicator warning well before moving then I agree with you but how many do you see that just indicate and virtually move at the same time - I see that all the time!!
I recommend to give 6 indicator clicks then start to move if safe - it gives the other road users time to accomodate - this 6 clicks ‘rule’ is not in any book that I have ever seen but it seems to work
Fair comment, like you say “its not in any rule book” - but the chances are if the car was a BMW being driven by a Rep with his Calvin Klien boxers hung on a coathanger in the rear window- he wouldnt let you out
Suedehead:
Fair comment, like you say “its not in any rule book” - but the chances are if the car was a BMW being driven by a Rep with his Calvin Klien boxers hung on a coathanger in the rear window- he wouldnt let you out
Or in the windscreen - then he would have a legit excuse for not seeing the truck indicate
Suedehead:
Unless you want to overtake fresh air, surely the only reason you want to move from lane 1 to 2 is to overtake a slower vehicle or lane 1 is closed.
Suedehead:
Unless you want to overtake fresh air, surely the only reason you want to move from lane 1 to 2 is to overtake a slower vehicle or lane 1 is closed.
annitram:
Your argument was going quite well ROG until you you suggested that the driver on the left is able to control the situation better and here in the prescribed situation you are very wrong. The driver in the left hand lane no matter how many times he checks his mirrors will not have as good a view as the driver in the right hand lane facing forwards and as such common sense says it must be the one with the view who should give way
If both drivers signalled correctly with their intent for about 6 clicks of the indicator before moving then this situation would be unlikely to occur in the first place.
annitram:
Both of these vehicles are travelling in the same direction and the onus must lie with the overtaking vehicle to conduct the manoeuvre safely, ie:- it is obviously not safe to return to the lane to his left as someone else is moving into it.
What about the one who is intending to overtake - that one is safe in lane 1 so why should the intending to overtake vehicle have priority - what does it say in the highway code -
163
Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should
not get too close to the vehicle you intend to overtake
use your mirrors, signal when it is safe to do so, take a quick sideways glance if necessary into the blind spot area and then start to move out
Lane discipline
133
If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over.
167
DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
when you would force another road user to swerve or slow down
You need to get out more Rog if you indicated 6 clicks in this type of situation you will never get out to conduct your manoeuvre
Regarding leaving indicating late or just a couple of clicks I have noticed that if you indicate with a car alongside they frequently panic assuming you are going to change lanes straight away and you have not seen them.
This situation arises more now due to volumes of traffic and as you are aware Rog a lot of the highway code was writen too long ago to be properly relevant to todays traffic volumes.
Suedehead:
Unless you want to overtake fresh air, surely the only reason you want to move from lane 1 to 2 is to overtake a slower vehicle or lane 1 is closed.
I do agree with the common sense part, but not so common anymore!
Fair point driver, spose some of it could come down to drivers leaving it till the last minute to change lanes ?. Seems to me that all to many are too busy looking at thier Sat Navs than the road ahead, or whats going on around them.
In this case, I don’t think anyone has priority. If there isn’t a law I don’t think anyone has priority, anyway, just like no one has priority at unmarked crossroads. However, I think it would make sense for the driver in lane 1 to give way to the driver in lane 3. Life would be much easier that way. The driver in lane 3 would have to accelerate in order to overtake the driver who went from lane 1 and lane 2 who is, also, accelerating to over-take the slower vehicle in lane 1. If I was in lane 1, saw a driver coming into lane 2 from lane 3, I’d automatically think the driver in lane 3 has priority anyway. That’s just me though.
KevinKevin:
In this case, I don’t think anyone has priority. If there isn’t a law I don’t think anyone has priority, anyway, just like no one has priority at unmarked crossroads. However, I think it would make sense for the driver in lane 1 to give way to the driver in lane 3. Life would be much easier that way. The driver in lane 3 would have to accelerate in order to overtake the driver who went from lane 1 and lane 2 who is, also, accelerating to over-take the slower vehicle in lane 1. If I was in lane 1, saw a driver coming into lane 2 from lane 3, I’d automatically think the driver in lane 3 has priority anyway. That’s just me though.
But wouldnt it be easier for the driver in lane 3 to accelerate ,perhaps i am missing something here but if they are in lane 3 they would be in a car/ van - Cz reg artic ?
If you can see them in youre mirrors, their behind you arent they?
C-Kay:
Common sense is the rule, and looking what’s going on around you. If you have your indicator on in lane one, surely the driver in lane 3 would be paying enough attention to see what you are doing and stay in his lane?
not unless they are off duty! trucks are allowed in the outside lane and car drivers dont seem to see anything beyond 6 feet from their bonnet, never mind any other direction
- what does it say in the highway code -
