Yeah because ‘’@robroy’’ has been told first hand by a friend at the ‘front line’ if you like… (no more details prepared to be given, but we have been here before) and has a pair of open eyes in his own home city…and basically does not automatically believe any old agenda laden crap he is attempted to be fed by those wishing to put a positive spin on all this.
these are the figures of how many illegals they get and how much they spend on their wefare. not some leftie cobblers about how hard done by they are
So what exactly?
What official type narrative are you trying to prove this time ecactly?
Right, so you offer no evidence at all that the figures I provide of the cash etc offered by Fr and UK is very different.
You now change tacks.
And
There is no way for many asylum seekers to arrive here, apart from on small boats etc, even if they do have relatives here.
Again…
According to a reliable and trustworthy source from a police detective, the life jackets are sourced from the department of trade, the serial numbers link up to the supplier.
The fuel tank on the dinghies are only filled up to half full to run out of fuel on purpose as they know they will be picked up mid-channel.
They have access to money and funds to get across.
@robroy was talking about how much asylum seekers receive.
Your figures suggest that Germany gives asylum seekers [quote=“cooper1203, post:4902, topic:236118”]
germany 2023 had 334,000 illegals and spent £25.02 billion thats £74,910.18 per migrant
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So if you are suggesting that Germany is giving asylum seekers 75K each, then I too would wonder why they are coming to the UK!
Your figures as presented are totally nonsensical and tend to disprove what you want to prove.
Mad.
If there are no extra incentives in the UK than other mainland countries in Europe then why do these illegals risk their lives by crossing the channel?
were you droped on your head as a child… i am suggesting that they spend half of what we do. thereofre provide less as anyone with a brain cell can see.
how much does each hotel placement cost
how much dpes each mobile cost
how much does each driving lesson cost
how much does each clothing allowance cost
etc etc etc
what you have failed to comment on is that france only provides benefits for around 1/3rd of their lot.
since you want to focus on germany though …
no mention of posh hotels.
There are no extra incentives as an asylum seeker. No extra benefits etc.
So the pull must be summat else.
Many seem to be English speakers rather than speakers of other languages.
Some have relatives or friends already here.
Some believe that the UK is largely populated with decent people who accept foreigners equally. (Boy are they in for a shock if they meet some on here)
Some have ties to the UK through former service. Special Forces rejected 2,000 credible asylum claims from Afghan commandos, MoD confirms
france and a leftie news article
Conditions in France
Even so, there are a number of reasons why a growing number of the asylum seekers arriving and living in France might want to continue their journey. France’s asylum procedures and reception arrangements provide one explanation. Only 25 per cent of asylum applications in France receive positive decisions, 10 points lower than the average acceptance rate in the European Union as a whole, and significantly less than the 70 per cent of cases accepted in the UK.
Asylum applications in France usually take around nine months to process, and before asylum seekers can even apply for refugee status, they have to register a fixed address with the local authorities. Without such an address they are not allowed to work, take French classes or benefit from the French health system.
According to French law, registered asylum seekers have the right to accommodation in reception centres while their applications are being considered. In practice, however, barely a third of asylum seekers are able to access such shelters due to their limited capacity. France has responded to this situation by endeavouring to provide asylum seekers with emergency accommodation in the winter, while leaving asylum seekers to find their own housing arrangements in the summer months.
Another consideration prompting asylum seekers to move across the Channel is the increasingly hostile reception they have received in recent years from the French state and society. With the continued rise of the far right in France, the government has taken to portraying and treating asylum seekers in a very negative manner. Increasingly, they have become victims of traumatic experiences at the hands of the French police, often involving physical violence and the use of pepper sprays and tear gas. The tents and rudimentary shelters erected by the asylum seekers are routinely destroyed and their meagre possessions confiscated.
Such worsening conditions have provided a ready market for the services of unscrupulous people smugglers, who provide asylum seekers with false information and who encourage them – at a high price – to risk the dangerous cross-Channel journey. Indeed, studies have shown that many of the asylum seekers have a very limited knowledge of the UK before embarking on the small boats that will take them there.
I give up mate, you are just too far gone
So put it down in your special TN leather bound record book, that you have for these occaions,.that you have gained ‘‘another TN victory’’.
(Although you are the only one that thinks so.
)
Btw..
Only if they believe the lefty clowns like you, and the placard carriers 
Yeah they are in for a shock when they find the majority of the country can see right through their refuge charade…the same country (including myself) who welcome the genuine Ukraine REFUGEES
there are at least 10 countries in africa where english is spoken. the countries where english is the offical language are Nigeria, Ghana, Kenya, Uganda, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Sierra Leone, Liberia, South Sudan, and South Africa.
then they can apply through the propper channels if they arent criminals etc.
nope the majority belive that we are the softest touch in the world and the roads are paved with gold.
so we didnt want them here for some reason. again if they were legitimate they could apply properly.
What proper channels?
The UK embassy in Kabul or Baghdad?
Did you watch the linked video when Braverman was asked that question? The (then) Home Sec did not know! There are no safe and legal routes for many.
i dunno off hand how about the one in london if they want to come here to live because of relatives?
yep and as i said then how did the vast majority of the 254000 ukraine assylum seekers do it? a very small majority did it illegally. they did it through the proper channels. if they already have relatives in the country as you suggest then the relatives can apply on their behalf.
a flight from baghdad to london
darn site cheaper than paying the smugglers but then again that would mean they have their documents with them and can be identified… maybe that is the reason they dont do it huh just maybe
Let’s just talk logic here as you seem to be ignoring the glaringly obvious. Why after fleeing war and persecution do they risk their lives crossing the channel in a dinghy after travelling thousands of miles through numerous landlocked “safe” countries, many of those countries where English is fluently spoken?
because they are held at gun point and forced onto the lorries and boats didnt you know that.
i susspect some of it is because to apply for assylum in any country other than england you need id so they can do a propper check on your background and determine if you fit the criteria like war in your own country
See above.
And why do you assume that the choices made by anyone is strictly logical?
Plenty of evidence to show that is not the case. People make many choices for many reasons, and logic is not always the greatest driver.
I cannot tell you why anyone makes their choices.
I have shown that the benefits offered to asylum seekers by the UK is not very different to that offered by some other Eu countries.
The repeated mantra that the UK is the “land of milk and honey” for asylum seekers is bollox.
The vast, vast, majority of refugees do not get to the UK. Most stay near their home country. A smaller number come to Europe. and a smaller number of those, come to the UK.
Oh right. An individual who fears the Taliban or Iraqi state police can just walk into a foreign embassy or consulate and ask for a visa? They can buy a ticket to the UK without any worries?
Got it.
Even Braverman did not suggest anything that mad.