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OUT OF HOURS BULLY'S TRUCKSTOP BAR (INTERACTIVE)
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All politicians are of a character that isn’t going to be shy and retiring. Or rather, any shy retiring types will not get far.

But I don`t accept what some say “They are all the same”.

Those saying “they’re all the same” tend to be (purely personal observation) the fans of those who have recently been found guilty of wrong-doing.
The same ones who a few years were telling there candidates were different and better and more honest.

The number of MPs found out recent times is far beyond that of previous times. And it isn’t just closer scrutiny, some are now staying on after behaviour that would have called for resignations in times past.
The whole thing is being dragged down by some.

MPs have always been over represented in the law courts because they are larger than life characters, but I still think recent times has seen a worsening of both behaviour and expected standards.

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So what is your stance on Blair…a wrongdoer and self server if ever there was one.:roll_eyes:
I certainly aint a fan of his so your theory is a gross generalisation.
But we all know you were referring to those who could be labelled (very loosely) as ‘fans’ of your old mate Boris.

Incidentally when I heard the rumour a few weeks ago that he was probably coming back as leader of the Tories, I laughed my bits off at the possible reactions of people like yourself…:joy:

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Incidentally when I heard the rumour a few weeks ago that he was probably coming back as leader of the Tories, I laughed my bits off at the possible reactions of people like yourself…
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There are definitely some who are massive fans of Johnson, then and now.
But as the leader of the Tory party?
He is liked by many Tories, but is more disliked than some others who are almost as popular as him. He is “marmite”. Is that good for a leader?
Those who like him might always vote Tory, but isn’t he likely to scare off more voters than he attracts?

Haig is as popular as Johnson, but is disliked by many fewer.
Mordaunt is less popular but again, even less offensive.

|Name | Fame | Liked | Disliked |
|Johnson | 98% | 29% | 52% |
|Haig | 84% | 29% | 32% |
|Mordaunt | 66% | 24% | 17% |
|Sunak | 98% 25% | 51% |

Anyway, where would Johnson stand as an MP? Since he chickened out in Uxbridge, would they have him back?
Or now his old seat of Henley, is to have the sitting MP stand down at the next election.

Have him as party leader without a seat?
Or have him as an MP, only to have a motion passed that required he serve the punishment, the suspension that he ran away from?

Yes, I can see some wanting him back, but how many would want him as their own MP when he has seemed more interested in pursuing speech and other earning opportunities when he left No 10?
No MPs are not all the same. May has been in the HoC speaking and representing her constituents since leaving the top job. Johnson just ran off and did nowt more for those who voted for him.

Oh, and just to put the cart and horse in the correct order:
I don’t like Johnson because he is a serial liar, a bad MP, and bad PM.
I don’t call Johnson a liar etc, because I dislike him.

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And…

Breathe…aaaaàaah.
:joy:

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lets see if i can get the question answered Blair did exactly what you accuse Johnson of doing except he sold us out to the eu to get the job whilst he was pm. I assume you have the same disdane for Blair as you do for Johnson

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It’s only fair that since you have explained why you do (or don’t ) hate Johnson, that I reciprocate by explaining my pet hate, or ‘‘Robroy chestnut’’ as you prefer to call it.
:smiley:
This amply illustrates why I hate spending money on importing scum…
Fill yer boots with yer Labour Socialist hat on.

Hope my lack of tech savvy has posted the right link, and it aint Alan Shearers top 10 goals or something.:roll_eyes:

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could of been worse than top 10 goals it could of been a blue movie

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I once sent a vid to a mate of a series of clips that was comedy, but in the form of what could be described as ‘weapons grade’ pornographic filth.:grin:
He went on to forward it to another mate…but sent it to his in laws Whats App group by mistake.:joy::joy:

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Ummmm…what has that to do with party political choice?
Which party is, in your imagination, in favour of crime?

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Did Blair get his first jobs from his dad’s mate and get the sack for lying.
Did he lie to his PM.
Did he lie to the Queen?
Did he tell repeated lies to Parliament?

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Absolutely Jack sh to do with it tbh.
I was comparing my rational pet hate with your irrational one.
I was also referring to your accusation of perception to my preoccupation with this subject.
Hope that clarifies.:+1:

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No,.Blair was a paragon of virtue innit
He must be…he lead the Labour Party.
Clue…
Do you recall my chip shop analogy to your alliegance to Labour?

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Let’s not mention his imaginary WMDs for instance, (the biggest of which as far as I recall was a WW1style big gun on a railway carrier) and the repurcussions of unrest and war in the ME resulting in the actions that resulted… and why the Arab world hates the West to date.

Still…at least he got a lucrative job out of it, ironically in the form of some sort of ME ambassador.:joy:
A very honourable gentleman indeed.

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I dislike criminals, and especially hate violent and ■■■ criminals.

Your repeatedly say I hate Johnson. I don’t say that.
I do point out his shortcomings and you choose to call it hate. You don’t say he is innocent.

I think it rational to dislike liars.
But I don’t condemn those who hate Johnson for his behaviour.

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Of course the WMD claim was wrong.
And going into Iraq with Bush and without the UN up front was wrong.
And having no plan to fill Sadam’s power vacuum was also wrong.

And is it a surprise that an ex-PM got a job with an NGO ?
Hardly. It is what many of them do.

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You go on a rant tirade about the actions and performance of Johnson, but casually shrug off the actions of the crook Blair as…‘‘wrong’’.
Class :joy:

Would you be so nonchalant and casual about it if it had been Johnson and/or a Tory govt, at that time doing the same as Blair.
I somehow think not.
Look at your ott reaction to Boris and his ‘vol au vents and glass of Chardonnay’ episode in the farcical derisory lockdown period…biggest criminal since Hitler because of it.:joy:

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Oh my! Clutching your pearls, dear?
What would call a rant tirade of mine?

Really? What OTT reaction was that? What did I say?

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Omg more Franglais bingo.:roll_eyes:
Clutching of pearls.
Love it.:joy:
Have a trawl through your obseesion with covid period posts.
I certainly CBA.
But the answers and examples are sure as hell in there.

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That didn’t happen in 2016 for Trump - did it?

If future employment is going to come from Business people - it makes perfect sense to me to have “Businesspeople” in Parliament that own stuff, including people - rather than have people taking bribes off foreigners, international corporations, legal set-ups, and of course other politicians not currently in power.

Would the public rather be employed by their new MP, or see their MP they didn’t vote for - bust out whatever businesspeople they DO work for?

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I’m most against Criminals, especially violent criminals as well.
I also think it is rational to dislike or even hate Liars when the “Lie” they tell is they are against violence, despite ordering say, SO19 to take out some “offending” member of the public who isn’t armed, but might tell reporters the wrong thing if they are too publicly arrested…

Best just “report them at large”, say they are the totally proven villain, then drag them out of the river and argue they “topped themselves”. Yeh, Right.