Speaking of deluded f/wits…
The lefty loony absolute pricks strike again, these wonkers are the ruination of our country.
They have started with the Scouts now ffs, Baden Powell will be spinning in his grave.
Why do people actually take these twunts seriously…that is why they ‘win’.
This stuff is Left Wing indoctrination
These methods were actively used by the Nazi Hitlerjugend, The Hitler Youth.
How can this stuff be right.
Both my lads as kids were in the Scouts, if all this dog sh had been prevalent then, I would pull them out of there, and be very vocal to the other parents as to why, and how they were essentially being brainwashed into accepting all this sh as ‘normal’… with a 'don’t teach MY kids this b/s ’
Since you are not supporting your own posts, I looked for it myself.
And found it.
Although newly elected parties always take a tumble after elections, Starmer/Labour are doing worse than other Govs historically according to “More In Common” polling.
A quite reputable entity IMHO. I expect Starmer/Labour are not happy.
I was giving the government the benefit of the doubt and on some issues I can’t see that anyone can say any other party would have done better.
Having said this, the budget was ■■■■ and saying taxes didn’t rise and VAT didn’t go up is just plain absurd and it does show that Franglais isn’t being entirely genuine. He is on the wind up.
I mean, if the thresholds haven’t moved since 2021-22, then tax has gone up, sorry mate. Also employers’ NI going up means that NI has gone up. Whether it is business or individuals paying upfront doesn’t matter, it has still gone up.
Meanwhile I see in the news that some consultants within the NHS have had £200,000 in overtime alone, being paid £200 an hour in some cases. With the cash now flowing, imagine what they will be on. That is where the money is going to go, whether Reeves realises it or not.
You miss the point, nobody is saying anybody would necessarily do ‘better’.
The fact is they are all the same essentially as I keep saying.
Just because one party did this and that, and the other did not, does not alter that fact, and makes zero difference to anybody else.
Point is Franglais always condemned the Tories daily on here, where as he readily jumps to the defence of an equally, (if not worse) pi55 poor Government, and despite all the embarrasing aspects that keep popping up.
Don’t be tactfully trying to point out to him he could be (he is) wrong either…‘Does not Compute/does not comply with official narrative’'.
Oh I forgot you will not receive this post as I am on your derisorily childish ‘‘foe list’’ aint I.
It is true that the less well paid are indeed paying more, because the start level has not risen with inflation.
I said that tax had not increased and that was wrong.
I should have said that tax rates had not increased.
The policy of not increasing the tax base was introduced by the Tories, and although it is continuing for now, beacuse it is already part of the projections left over from the last Parliament, it is being stopped when the current tranche expires.
Terrible I agree.
Penny pinching in the NHS led to longer waiting lists than before. More people off work sick taking money from the state when they want to be fit and working!
Get better care for all earlier on would reduce the need for serious interventions later.
On tax: I think that we pay too little in the UK.
I daresay that not many agree with me, but hey ho!
It does seem to me that most on this thread have decided what they want to believe and then will try and look for evidence to back up what they already believe. From that point of view, I’m (trying) not getting bogged down in the guff. Although why I view the thread at all is a mystery, it must be subliminal.
My point was I was open-minded about the new government. People saying stuff like ‘open your eyes’ and ‘can’t you see what a shower of ■■■■ they are’ doesn’t wash with me.
The budget is concrete proof that the chancellor with presumably the rubber stamp of the PM has provided a budget that will go down in history for all the wrong reasons. Businesses will go under and the economy will go down the pan. The extra money for the NHS won’t provide a better NHS. All in my opinion by the way, but it is based on the government’s actions rather than any personal dislike of the party or the personnel.
I don’t normally look in this thread. Just seen on the news that the scandalous proliferation of shoplifting has prompted the powers that be to start using the correct language: it’s no longer ‘shoplifting’, it’s theft. Next, scrumping will be called theft. I like this kind of politically correct language, because we can now call ‘redistribution of wealth’ theft.
I would say that we have no concrete proof at all. It is far too early for that.
Some businesses will undoubtedly fail. For some the “back breaking straw” is whatever it is that comes next, in this case employers NI.
But again saying that the economy is going down the pan, is a prediction, and I hope is mistaken.
Extra money is not guaranteed to make things better, but we can be very sure that paying less fro health for make things worse.
The most expensive and worst for outcomes health service in the developed world is the USA. Proof that you do not get what you pay for.
The NHS gets pointed at very often, and has politicians always talking about it becoming more efficient.
It is true that nothing is 100% efficient, and a huge undertaking like the NHS will always provide anecdotes of bad practice, but there are studies that do seem to show that it is good value for money.
For years we have had Govs that do nowt except complain about every expense. Their philosophy has been to penny pinch and not invest in anything. They economise in the short term and spend more for worse services in the long term.
I’m hoping for a change. It will cost us more, especially up front, but my fingers are crossed it will get better for those younger than me.
Throwing money at the NHS shows a naivety beyond comprehension. The new money will become the normal and once it is there it will be difficult to take away again.
Medicine and health is much more advanced than in past times.
It costs more than previously, to give the better outcomes we all(?) want.
I do not say throw money at it, but to think that it can cost the same in the future as in the past?
It could…if you want to send life expectancy back to where it was decades ago.
Do we as a country want that? I doubt it.
Do you really believe that money will be put to good use?
Surely even you accept the level of incompetence and bureaucracy in the upper echelons of the NHS, mostly ran by the ‘right on’ liberal types.
The abundance of managers for this that and the other, not to mention the amount of people in ‘non jobs’ drawing a far superior wage to the likes of Nurses.
Clean those lot out first, thousands could be saved at a stroke, because you can sure as hell bet the extra money will be wasted on ridiculous, maybe woke stuff.
Diversity depts, and the office for monitoring the health and progress of sex changes of Lgbtabcxyz type crap.
Before you break your neck to rush to your keyboard to rubbish my points, a lot of this stuff has been said and repeated on various tv and radio shows by those at the cutting edge, grass roots of the NHS, nurses and the like, not by somebody who gobs off and pretends to know what they are on about.
@franglais,
I’m obviously no expert, but that is my take on it. The government has been in a few months, what time has there been for proper investigation? Is there usually a good outcome when you throw money at something? With good management yes, with bad management no.
Anyway, from your posts I think you are on the wind up. You surely must be.
A lot of politicians shout a heck of a lot about the NHS being a basket case etc.
Mostly they are talking nonsense for their own ends…quelle surprise!
I would suggest that you try researching how the NHS compares with other health systems.
It is not as bad (nowhere near as bad!) as those who want to privatise it to turn profit would have you believe.
There will always be instances, many of them in a big employer, of stupid policies and bad practise, but surely we know that cherry picking is not the way to look at the big picture.
A slight digression from politics and I say slight because it is politicians who send those brave men to a war that was only ever going to have the inevitable outcome. This a repeat I watched the original and it is quite harrowing to say the least.
BBC2 tonight at 11.40pm
We are always being told by various media how much better health care is in Europe, eg France, Germany, Italy.
How are their services funded, are they free at the point of use? Do individuals have to have some form of insurance ? Do they have a problem with health tourism ? Just wondering !!
I am a supporter of the NHS,.I think they do a great job under the circumstances, but not because of their management, but DESPITE it.
Unfortunately with the vastly increasing costs of drugs to start with since it first started, not to mention the advance of medical science techniques,.and the astronomical costs of such, is rapidly making it unfit for purpose, …not to mention the strain put on day to day routine of local health centres, by people who have no place here who arrive illegally.
I aint a politician, (nor a wannabe pretend one) , so I do not know the answer to keeping it alive in modern times, and I have no suggestions.
Maybe as a start, I think there should be a choice offered when a kid starts his working career at 16, between paying NI contributions, or however much you want to contribute weekly, to a private health care system the likes of BUPA.
An either or situation.
On a different subject…
Have a listen to Herbert’s latest contribution on You tube, concerning the pensioner who was beheaded, (reportedly by a bus) in Edinburgh.
You know what is coming I expect…
Conspiracy theorist ?
Paranoid old bloke?
Even ‘Far right racist bigot’ ? (in some circles)
Or somebody who realises he is constantly being conned and lied to by official narrative,.and is so pi55ed off with it he looks for hidden and/or true agendas ?
I can not see what else they expect when they put out some of the quality of absolute b/s out there that they expect us to swallow…not specifically referring to this btw.
As for this one…I have heard the same theory off a few people up and down the country…including at least 2 Edinburgh people …
But I aint making any comment for obvious ‘Starmer 1984 style free speech end up in the nick’ type reasons.
Instead, and as usual, I will listen to ALL sides and keep an open mind…because I simply do not know.
I would hate to think he is right, but I aint fully convinced…yet.
Meanwhile have a listen to old Herbert spouting off .
