wildfire:
stevieboy308:
wildfire:
fredthered:
Okay then, if its a directive and not law, why do companies insist that employees take unpaid days off to achieve an average and insist it’s to comply with the law■■?
Surely a directive is…
and the law is…
Obligatory or not? That is the question!
Moan, ■■■■■, moan…
it was an e.u. directive that was past in u.k. law on drivers hours.
there is nothing in the regulations that say that the time off has to be unpaid that is down to the individual company, some pay some don’t.
you only have to count your 28 days holidays into the WTD any thing over that whether paid or not doesn’t count 
i thought it was 4 weeks?
its 28 days but your employer can use 8 days to cover the annual public holidays if they so choose, leaving you the 4 weeks / 20 days to take as you like
I was meaning! - I thought only 20 days of minimum 28 days (if you work a 5 day week) counted as working time hours
stevieboy308:
wildfire:
stevieboy308:
wildfire:
fredthered:
Okay then, if its a directive and not law, why do companies insist that employees take unpaid days off to achieve an average and insist it’s to comply with the law■■?
Surely a directive is…
and the law is…
Obligatory or not? That is the question!
Moan, ■■■■■, moan…
it was an e.u. directive that was past in u.k. law on drivers hours.
there is nothing in the regulations that say that the time off has to be unpaid that is down to the individual company, some pay some don’t.
you only have to count your 28 days holidays into the WTD any thing over that whether paid or not doesn’t count
i thought it was 4 weeks?
its 28 days but your employer can use 8 days to cover the annual public holidays if they so choose, leaving you the 4 weeks / 20 days to take as you like
I was meaning! - I thought only 20 days of minimum 28 days (if you work a 5 day week) counted as working time hours
still have to count the public holidays at 8hrs
fredthered:
Right, I understand what goes on and I was being pedantic. 
For those that don’t, it means employers encourage use of POA when waiting/loading etc to batter your hours when they are ‘busy’ and will gladly let you race along to 84/90 hrs a week. Then when it goes quiet (times being hard etc;)) they want that money back so send you home unpaid (because you’ve already ‘had those hours’ drive) and don’t or won’t let you use holiday days to bring the average down.
If you take a week off at a time its still 48hrs average so clever drivers use their hols as odd days here and there so that it only equates to 8hrs a day thereby ‘saving’ 8 hrs over a week.
Simples! HTH
Of course, a truly “clever” driver wouldn’t be working for such a skinflint shyster in the first place, and would be drawing his regular pay while enjoying his “enforced” time off
Correct! Someone else understands too
Not allowed to use it at our company. Would get a telling off if I pressed it by mistake.