Sorry folks. Maybe I didn’t clarify things. We never secured standard loads which were stowed so as to allow minimum movement.
We did lash things like machinery or wheeled units etc. most continentals came in with five or six spansets but very very few had floor rings. We shipped a great many lathes to Iraq for example and they were all secured with chocks nailed into the floor and spansets around the chassis.
I was just concerned with Saviem’s never never never. Most loads were actually impossible to lash especially when you had side by side pallets.
I never normally strapped anything in a tilt as most groupage was packed tight so as not to move, If as stated it was machinery or cars I’d secure them & if it was anything behind the rear trailer axles not overstowed tight I would as the arse end used to bounce about a lot.
That Anglo Greek paint was a PITA though trying to strap big paint drums, as The Crow says most tilts I owned or pulled had lashing rings but most floors where ply-lined & no one could be bothered to cut the holes out, I had to cut them out to load them Jags for Dornack & tape the roof bars in, saved trashing a new Jag though.
I always strapped the tilt from cant rail to floor crossways when empty though, it helped prolong there life.
In recent years all loads in tilts needed strapping the Germans insisted on it & the fines where heavy, strapping full loads of toothpaste out of Colgates in Manchester was mental but had to be done
Jazzandy:
Interesting points flysheet. I reitired nearly ten years ago so didn’t have the joy of complying with new German regs!
I don’t think your missing much Squire, I think with the onslaught of cheap eastern block hauliers its not a good job to be in anymore, after 15 years of international owner driving I was fortunate enough to get into a niche market for a few years in the piling industry & when that fizzled out I’ve managed to get Myself over the pond which is a breath of fresh air as everythings old school which suits Me but the sheets/tarps seem to be heavier than I remember!!!
Did nt do the Jags John but again for Dornach Landrovers for the Milicia to Titograd in Monte ■■■■■ now back to its old name Podgorica right next to Albania .Reloaded 20 plus tons of wine from there back thru those tunnels and up that never ending steep mountain road to Ivanicgrad then all the way down the other side Ragnar was on its knees and so was I fell off my perch at Cacak motel did nt even go in iwas so knackered it had taken hours regards Crow.
This maybe a little off the thread,American cabovers and conversions etc.but as a conversion job and probably classed as junk, this is a pic of a Russian truck I saw in Sevastopol a couple of years ago.I’m not sure what the original truck was ,but it’s most probably a Kraz military truck.For some unknown reason it was advertising a bike show.I just thought it was interesting!
Jazzandy:
Sorry folks. Maybe I didn’t clarify things. We never secured standard loads which were stowed so as to allow minimum movement.
We did lash things like machinery or wheeled units etc. most continentals came in with five or six spansets but very very few had floor rings. We shipped a great many lathes to Iraq for example and they were all secured with chocks nailed into the floor and spansets around the chassis.
I was just concerned with Saviem’s never never never. Most loads were actually impossible to lash especially when you had side by side pallets.
Evening all, Jazzandy, my family were always cautious, I was bought up “safety first”, and probably a bit like Bewick, steady as you go, (you still make good progress), but smooth is the key, (particularly with some of the “brakeless wonders that we had”. But totally accept your point about side by side pallets in a tilt.
Spent a time today securing round bales on my neighbours sons 45ft tri axle dolly combination for his young son… he had some rope, but no idea how to secure the bales,… he does now. The whole agri farm transport job really needs tidying up. But really, a 4x4 Massey, and a 45ft on steel, around our lanes! Ah well, Im getting like M Meldrew, Cheerio for now.
Jazzandy:
Sorry folks. Maybe I didn’t clarify things. We never secured standard loads which were stowed so as to allow minimum movement.
We did lash things like machinery or wheeled units etc. most continentals came in with five or six spansets but very very few had floor rings. We shipped a great many lathes to Iraq for example and they were all secured with chocks nailed into the floor and spansets around the chassis.
I was just concerned with Saviem’s never never never. Most loads were actually impossible to lash especially when you had side by side pallets.
Evening all, Jazzandy, my family were always cautious, I was bought up “safety first”, and probably a bit like Bewick, steady as you go, (you still make good progress), but smooth is the key, (particularly with some of the “brakeless wonders that we had”. But totally accept your point about side by side pallets in a tilt.
All the loads which I carried on the tilt which I used were general haulage mostly palletised freight and stillages etc and loaded and secured in just the same way as they would have been on a flat.The only difference was that,like a curtainsider,the tilt had the advantage of not needing to sheet the load for weather protection in addition to roping it.
However there seems to be some sort of difference in what I was using,which had rope hooks all down the sides ( like this example which I’ve found after a lot of searching on here i189.photobucket.com/albums/z235 … CAMBRS.jpg )
and which was therefore roped in just the same way as a flat would have been,compared to the type described by Crow etc in which there only seems to have been internal lashing rings and no external hooks .
All of which seems to raise a interesting question as to wether that had something to do with the differences in the old accepted methods of load securing on flats here compared with general accepted international methods on tilts which seems to be supported by the fact that most tilts don’t seem to have used the old accepted use of rope hooks to secure a load with .The question seems to be added to and may explain the fact as to why VOSA no longer allow the use of rope hooks to be used to actually rope and secure the load with.Only the sheet/s.Probably by directive from ze Vaterland because ze Germans never could understand ze British vays of doing things .
Tony Taylor:
This maybe a little off the thread,American cabovers and conversions etc.but as a conversion job and probably classed as junk, this is a pic of a Russian truck I saw in Sevastopol a couple of years ago.I’m not sure what the original truck was ,but it’s most probably a Kraz military truck.For some unknown reason it was advertising a bike show.I just thought it was interesting!
That is one wierd contraption, ideal for London though
Strapping an empty tilt, always a good idea Coop, same applies to one with a load of steel or similar on the floor, well until you filled up the space with some bunce freight anyway
As to the challenges made to Chris’s tales, I’m sure Chris is more than capable of standing his corner on that. I’ve never seen him anywhere other than in Canada or the US, so can’t say for certain that his story is true, but knowing him, I’d be very surprised if he was making it up, whatever the case, he tells a good story, so hope he continues
Concerning rope hooks on tilts, if you think about it the tilt wire linked through all the eyeholes in the sides would have made it almost impossible to dolly up anyway which is why, when it was actually essential we chocked and nailed and used spansets.
However once again on standard loads especially casework and pallets it was not usual to tie the load down.
Jazzandy:
Concerning rope hooks on tilts, if you think about it the tilt wire linked through all the eyeholes in the sides would have made it almost impossible to dolly up anyway which is why, when it was actually essential we chocked and nailed and used spansets.
However once again on standard loads especially casework and pallets it was not usual to tie the load down.
As one of the obviously select few who used a tilt just for uk general haulage and roped down palletised etc loads on it in just the same way as a flat using the side rope hooks this is how it was done.The sides were still uncovered with the cover pulled back up over the top when the load was roped.The dollys were all placed,so that they came below the level of the cover and it’s rings and the cord,against the drop sides and it was only the diameter of the rope that needed to go between the cover and the dropsides between where the rings were.Then it was just a case of put the slats back in pull the cover back down over the rings put the cord back through job done and on to the next collection.Much better than having to rope and sheet a flat.
Hi carryfast,just read your comments on php?F=2&t=81921… ect.you state that a sheet on a flat trailer, or a tilt or tautliner is there only to keep the load dry and not in any way to secure it.I don’t think that is strictly true.We used to ship empty coca-cola cans from Skelmersdale to a new coca-cola plant in Italy.A full load floor to roof,front to back in a tilt,weighing less than 3tons.Assuming that it’s not going to rain and you are going to use a flat trailer without a sheet to ship the cans,how would you propose to secure the load?Put the slightest pressure on these cans and they are ruined.
Tony, Carryfast means using the taken apart tilt as a flat and using the tilt cover as the sheet, in which case he is right for once
You wouldn’t be able to use the tilt cover to hold much on as it has nowhere to tie off onto the chock rail, unless you use the eyelets and anyone who has ripped them open trying to pull a tilt over will tell you they wouldn’t be any good, as you well know. So the tilt cover lays over the load and the ropes and straps hold it all in place
I’ve done it myself, an old Belgian spread axle with a load of plasterboard, it had no rope hooks, so two straps per set and some origami at the front and the back and the job was a good 'un, well I say good, nothing fell off, but it would’ve been easier to load it on a built up tilt by taking both sides out than poncing around trying to to get the tilt cover to bend in the right places, the only saving grace was that it never rained
OK then,a bit of a trivia question for all you ‘tilties’ .What 's the proper name for the securing strip
that goes through the eyelets keeping the back flap in place?
Tony Taylor:
Hi carryfast,just read your comments on php?F=2&t=81921… ect.you state that a sheet on a flat trailer, or a tilt or tautliner is there only to keep the load dry and not in any way to secure it.I don’t think that is strictly true.We used to ship empty coca-cola cans from Skelmersdale to a new coca-cola plant in Italy.A full load floor to roof,front to back in a tilt,weighing less than 3tons.Assuming that it’s not going to rain and you are going to use a flat trailer without a sheet to ship the cans,how would you propose to secure the load?Put the slightest pressure on these cans and they are ruined.
Don’t ask me I never carried a full load of empty coke cans but it sounds like a job for a box trailer to me because it’s going to be fun using a flat when you take the sheets off.That’s assuming you could have made them all sit on a flat trailer while you sheeted it .Although I wouldn’t be surprised it VOSA would now want that type of load contained in cages and then the cages secured in the trailer.
But.
That’s not exectly the same thing as the type of mainstream general haulage type work of relatively heavy pallets and stillages etc etc up to the max type of payload weight which could,given the right (wrong) circumstances,fly straight off the back of a sheeted flat or through the dropsides/framework/cover of a tilt without any ropes/straps/chains to hold them all.Which is why it is possible to have a roped load on a flat without any sheets it if it doesn’t rain,but try sheeting it without roping it and it probably won’t reach the end of the journey without losing it.
Whereas,as I’ve said,unlike a flat,a tilt provided/s the best of all worlds in that it could/can be used to carry general haulage loads without needing to sheet them,because it’s a tilt .
While it can also be stripped to a flat for those jobs that need overhead loading/unloading and/or in which the load sits lower than the dropsides.In which case,as in most types of general haulage flat work,you rope/strap/chain it to hold the load on and sheet it to keep it dry.
At least that’s how I’ve always looked at it and,with the exception of no longer seeming to accept the old accepted practice,of ropes and/or the rope hooks down the side being used to rope and secure most types of load in addition to sheeting it for some reason ,VOSA (rightly) seem to agree with that idea and view.
Sir +:
OK then,a bit of a trivia question for all you ‘tilties’ .What 's the proper name for the securing strip
that goes through the eyelets keeping the back flap in place?
I always called it a tape but dont doubt I’m wrong & if You know the answer to this then why is a suzie called a suzie?
newmercman:
Tony, Carryfast means using the taken apart tilt as a flat and using the tilt cover as the sheet, in which case he is right for once
You wouldn’t be able to use the tilt cover to hold much on as it has nowhere to tie off onto the chock rail, unless you use the eyelets and anyone who has ripped them open trying to pull a tilt over will tell you they wouldn’t be any good, as you well know. So the tilt cover lays over the load and the ropes and straps hold it all in place
I’ve done it myself, an old Belgian spread axle with a load of plasterboard, it had no rope hooks, so two straps per set and some origami at the front and the back and the job was a good 'un, well I say good, nothing fell off, but it would’ve been easier to load it on a built up tilt by taking both sides out than poncing around trying to to get the tilt cover to bend in the right places, the only saving grace was that it never rained
Not just that nmm.If you read my description above I’ve also described how I roped down general palletised freight etc using it as a tilt which covered most jobs.In which it had all the advantages of a curtainsider in not needing to sheet anything only rope it.
However that all seems to have gone out with the end of tilts with rope hooks down the sides .Although having said that I can understand that roping down loads in tilts,using external rope hooks,on international work,would probably be a problem because of the cord seal in which case you couldn’t undo the cover and easily re tension the ropes over the course of a long trip.But surely that would also apply in the case of internal lashing etc .
Sir +:
OK then,a bit of a trivia question for all you ‘tilties’ .What 's the proper name for the securing strip
that goes through the eyelets keeping the back flap in place?
we called it ‘lace’ as in get that tilt laced up/unlaced.
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,VOSA (rightly) seem to agree with that idea and view. 