lancpudn:
Ford now separating it’s ICE & BEV into separate businesses with new names, ‘Ford blue’ for their combustion engines & ‘Ford model e’ for their electric cars. That smacks of distancing the two sides for when the brown stuff hits the fan & the ICE side of the business is bogged down with enormous stranded assets. electrek.co/2022/03/02/ford-ann … ic-future/
I wonder how this business model will pan out in the UK/EU with a ban on ICE’s in 2030UK EU2035. Ford are splitting their business into three separate businesses Ford blue (ICE vehicles) Ford Pro (Vans HGV’s) Ford e ( BEV’s), Telling their dealerships to spend £1million of their own money to train & install rapid chargers at all their sites will see a lot of dealerships go to the wall.
I should imagine they will have to cut the middleman out & sell directly online to compete with Tesla’s business model to get costs down. electrek.co/2022/09/14/ford-set … o-sell-evs
The electric used to charge EV’s has to be paid for by the end user.
Obviously at a proposed domestic electric charge of around £1 per kWh possibly double that for EV charging.
Equally obviously + road fuel duty and 20% VAT sooner or later.
No car retailer is in business to pay their customers’ fuel bills let alone at that economically suicidal price.Nor would they stay in business long if they tried to.
The EV fan base has bought a lemon.Sold to it by a corrupt government working for foreign interests using the climate scam as a pretext.
Just banning diesel cars is as good as it gets North Sea oil makes good petrol and we’re sitting on an ocean of the stuff.
It’s been a jam packed week for this Novembers emission reduction targets voting in the EU!, lawmakers voted to increase the EU’s transport emissions reduction target for 2030 from 13% to 16%. The baseline is 2015. This means that the last heavy goods vehicles with engines will need to be sold by 2035 if polluting vehicles are to be off the road by 2050 – in line with the bloc’s net-zero emissions commitment.
A couple of YT channels I follow regards Tesla cars has just gotten interesting! Tesla will not sell you parts for damaged or salvaged or flood damaged Tesla cars if the battery pack has been compromised & they will ban that car from their supercharger network, so this guy ‘Richrebuilds’ has started to put LS corvette petrol engines in them to ■■■■ off the Tesla bois & more recently put a big ol turbo diesel engine in one, The USA EPA has gotten wind of this & told him to stop & decease or face huge fines because the diesel engine will not have the regulated emission standards, Something to do with the car vin number being for an electric vehicle. youtube.com/watch?v=ecPrGYTVlzI
Oh dear! How the tables have turned. Things have just got very real for the VAG legacy auto makers in Germany. VW, Mercedes, BMW, Audi have just been shunned by Europe’s SIXT car rental company who have just signed a contract with the Chinese car giant BYD for 100000 electric vehicles
That must have sent the CEO’s of VAG into a nervous meltdown as BYD took their bread & butter markets from underneath them in their own backyard . electrek.co/2022/10/05/byd-wide … s-to-sixt/ youtube.com/watch?v=WMOeMC3W1A4
lancpudn:
Oh dear! How the tables have turned. Things have just got very real for the VAG legacy auto makers in Germany. VW, Mercedes, BMW, Audi have just been shunned by Europe’s SIXT car rental company who have just signed a contract with the Chinese car giant BYD for 100000 electric vehicles
That must have sent the CEO’s of VAG into a nervous meltdown as BYD took their bread & butter markets from underneath them in their own backyard . electrek.co/2022/10/05/byd-wide … s-to-sixt/ youtube.com/watch?v=WMOeMC3W1A4
Europe becomes dependent on the Chinese automotive industry.
It also counts itself out of Russian fossil fuel exports so that Russia’s ally China can take them instead.
Not much point in a Chinese EV when we can’t even afford to heat the house at £1 per kWh let alone charge the EV.
All so that China can spend the revenue on its military to use against us.
lancpudn:
Oh dear! How the tables have turned. Things have just got very real for the VAG legacy auto makers in Germany. VW, Mercedes, BMW, Audi have just been shunned by Europe’s SIXT car rental company who have just signed a contract with the Chinese car giant BYD for 100000 electric vehicles
That must have sent the CEO’s of VAG into a nervous meltdown as BYD took their bread & butter markets from underneath them in their own backyard . electrek.co/2022/10/05/byd-wide … s-to-sixt/ youtube.com/watch?v=WMOeMC3W1A4
Europe becomes dependent on the Chinese automotive industry.
It also counts itself out of Russian fossil fuel exports so that Russia’s ally China can take them instead.
Not much point in a Chinese EV when we can’t even afford to heat the house at £1 per kWh let alone charge the EV.
All so that China can spend the revenue on its military to use against us.
Yeah European automakers aren’t going to be able to compete with the Chinese BEV makers, They’re already at a huge disadvantage having to pay Tesla regulatory ZEV credits to the tune of around $350million per quarter. That’s almost $1.5billion of free money for this year alone, It will be even more in 2023 when emissions are tightened again.
An electric hire car■■? Wonder how that will work returning it fully fuelled/charged? It’s not like they’ll let you off bringing it back in whatever state because, CF is right, public charging is now £1 a unit and the time to fill it up when it could be due back out on hire.
stu675:
An electric hire car■■? Wonder how that will work returning it fully fuelled/charged? It’s not like they’ll let you off bringing it back in whatever state because, CF is right, public charging is now £1 a unit and the time to fill it up when it could be due back out on hire.
There will be a lot of fun & games with people who have never driven a BEV before that’s for sure, Enterprise car rental did a similar thing back in around 2014 in a city in California whereas they bought a fleet of the Gen 1 Nissan leafs for rental, They got so tired of people running out of charge & not returning them then having to be flat bedded to a charger that they sold them
They said the majority of people who rented them were professional business people & they couldn’t fathom out the range with the amount of charge in the battery pack, The car even tells you the charge left & miles you can drive & directs you via the Sat-Nav to the nearest chargers
I delivered a new Jag EV to South Wales recently.Less than 200 miles and had less than 15 miles range left on arrival.
So a decent day trip will mean finding a public charger that’s usable then filling it at a lot more cost than a tank of petrol and a lot more time needed to fill it at best.
Any unplanned detours will likely mean paying for a breakdown truck.
I delivered a new Jag EV to South Wales recently.Less than 200 miles and had less than 15 miles range left on arrival.
So a decent day trip will mean finding a public charger that’s usable then filling it at a lot more cost than a tank of petrol and a lot more time needed to fill it at best.
Any unplanned detours will likely mean paying for a breakdown truck.
I delivered a new Jag EV to South Wales recently.Less than 200 miles and had less than 15 miles range left on arrival.
So a decent day trip will mean finding a public charger that’s usable then filling it at a lot more cost than a tank of petrol and a lot more time needed to fill it at best.
Any unplanned detours will likely mean paying for a breakdown truck.
Absolute rubbish (not that I doubt anyone on this forum believes you).
Ipace battery is 90 kWh so in the unrealistic idea that you could empty it, max cost to fill it is £90. F pace fuel tank is 60-83 liters so minimum of £96 to fill it assuming 60 litres is not diesel.
I delivered a new Jag EV to South Wales recently.Less than 200 miles and had less than 15 miles range left on arrival.
So a decent day trip will mean finding a public charger that’s usable then filling it at a lot more cost than a tank of petrol and a lot more time needed to fill it at best.
Any unplanned detours will likely mean paying for a breakdown truck.
Absolute rubbish (not that I doubt anyone on this forum believes you).
Ipace battery is 90 kWh so in the unrealistic idea that you could empty it, max cost to fill it is £90. F pace fuel tank is 60-83 liters so minimum of £96 to fill it assuming 60 litres is not diesel.
The numbers I provided are a fact.60 let alone 80 litres of petrol will get the thing a lot further than 200 miles up the road let alone less miles than that.Unsurprisingly at around 3 kwh per litre allowing for the ICE’s 30% efficiency at worse.
I delivered a new Jag EV to South Wales recently.Less than 200 miles and had less than 15 miles range left on arrival.
So a decent day trip will mean finding a public charger that’s usable then filling it at a lot more cost than a tank of petrol and a lot more time needed to fill it at best.
Any unplanned detours will likely mean paying for a breakdown truck.
And this is the future, apparently.
Not mine it isn’t, and i suspect not yours either.
They can stick battery cars where the sun don’t shine, though yes i’d happily have a (Toyota only, half the taxi drivers in the country arn’t buying them for fun) full hybrid probably the Corolla estate, but only when our existing small fleet are beyond saving.
E-Fuels looks like a non starter for the masses. The refining industry research unit estimates that there will only be enough e-fuels to cater for around 2% of all Europe’s 287 million cars by 2035 transportenvironment.org/di … -analysis/
lancpudn:
E-Fuels looks like a non starter for the masses. The refining industry research unit estimates that there will only be enough e-fuels to cater for around 2% of all Europe’s 287 million cars by 2035 transportenvironment.org/di … -analysis/
But there didn’t seem to be any problem with doubling the ethanol content in an attempt to flog cheap low octane rubbish petrol to the mugs.
As fo EVs an unaffordable unfit for purpose solution to a non existent problem.
Just like the anything but green nuke and biomass and solar energy policy to power them.
TfL are Coining it in! “Since the beginning of November 2021 until June 2022 – a period of eight months – an average of 1.9m journeys were made into the ULEZ every month by vehicles not conforming to either Euro 6 diesel standards or Euro 4 petrol standards, resulting in £112.5m worth of revenue.” fleetnews.co.uk/news/enviro … lmost-100m
Bugger! The end of free ev charging is nigh at Tesco supermarkets chargers & podpoint chargers, They will start charging a fee from November 1st after charging customers cars for free to the tune of 86 million miles. youtube.com/watch?v=_JsgQhap3v4
Oh Dear! Even the Church of England pension board’s institutional investors (amongst others) are suing VW for “Green Washing” lobbying activity despite VW’s claims of their green transition to electric cars europe.autonews.com/automakers/ … g-activity
That smacks of distancing the two sides for when the brown stuff hits the fan & the ICE side of the business is bogged down with enormous stranded assets. electrek.co/2022/03/02/ford-ann … ic-future/
