bigstraight6:
Hopefully they will concentrate on where to find all the lithium for the batteries that won’t last 5 years!
Most of the European legacy auto makers are going to be screwed for years to come, None of them have a meaningful supply line of materials to build EV’s in the west to match their ICE manufacture numbers. China has got everything sewn up regards the rare earth elements to build EV’s in large numbers. Almost every western car manufacturer has had to go to China to build cars in numbers via a joint venture with Chinese car companies.
NIO, BYD & X-Peng to name but three have already set up bases in Europe & already shipping EV’s in numbers, Fabulous tech cars (if you’re into EV’s) which all have 5 star Euro NCAP ratings. Mercedes EQS quality at less than half the price.
Less than half the price is moot in an economy in which the european automotive industry has been trashed let alone to the advantage of an enemy rogue state.
Limited Lithium resources v demand will obviously be the same regardless of where the Lithium is and who’s got it.Way more limited than fossil fuel reserves.
In addition to turning the country into a nuked, treeless wasteland, at the cost of 26p per kwh + taxes, for the privilege.
They’ll need to find large deposits of Lithium soon because since ClientEarth won the human rights court case allowing every man & his dog can now sue companies & countries over climate liability. All the major oil companies/refineries are at present knee deep in climate lawsuits and now it’s not just Greenpeace or NGO’s but a group of kids in Portugal are suing 33 countries to force politicians to tackle climate change. Beginning of the end for the oil cartels? bbc.co.uk/news/av/science-e … t-59776108
Why would we need to be dependent on Lithium for hydrogen fuelled ICE powered vehicles.
I guess that China wasn’t on their list with targets all conveniently based on per capita emissions,So over populating the planet is considered as ok but we aren’t allowed to take advantage of our lower population levels to maintain a better lifestyle which also consumes less overall.
That’s if you even believe that CO2 cooked Venus.
The anything but green Climate zealots will be making their excuses when the inevitable nuclear disaster happens even if this utopian nightmare was deliverable without wrecking the economy.
“Why would we need to be dependent on Lithium for hydrogen fuelled ICE powered vehicles.
I guess that China wasn’t on their list with targets all conveniently based on per capita emissions,So over populating the planet is considered as ok but we aren’t allowed to take advantage of our lower population levels to maintain a better lifestyle which also consumes less overall.
That’s if you even believe that CO2 cooked Venus.
The anything but green Climate zealots will be making their excuses when the inevitable nuclear disaster happens even if this utopian nightmare was deliverable without wrecking the economy.”
The die has been cast by Tesla & China. China didn’t sit still & bought entire countries worth (mostly Africa) of Lithium, Graphite, Cobalt, Nickel & rare earth elements, They control the entire supply line. With all the emission regulation mandates around most of the world & ICE bans starting in 2025 in Norway, 2030 UK & 2035 Europe China will own the global BEV car market by 2030, No other country or EV manufacturer has anywhere near the amount of these materials to make EV’s in volume for mass adoption.
Hydrogen manufacture is still too expensive to manufacture at present & will be for years to come.
lancpudn:
This here UK ‘net zero’ for road transport doesn’t make for good reading! Just been looking through the Policy and…“The plan explicitly states that “we want less motor traffic in urban areas” and says the aim is for 50% of all trips in towns and cities to be on foot or by bike by 2030.”
“However, it does note that in the future “additional targeted action” – such as “steps to reduce use of the most polluting cars and tackle urban congestion” – may be required to meet climate targets. Another transport decarbonisation plan in five years’ time will assess progress.”
Even if all combustion engine car sales end, various modelling exercises have demonstrated that car traffic will need to drop 2-4% each year over the next decade to align with net-zero."
The ‘plan’ is clear enough and doesn’t seem to match just the stated no new registrations of fossil fuelled cars from 2030.It’s clearly a hidden agenda of retsrospectively applied controls on use of all private cars.
Don’t remember any such ‘plans’ being part of any Party’s election manifesto and certainly not that of the present government’s manifesto.
The resulting loss of the automotive sector will crash the economy long before the public transport utopia kicks in.This agenda obviously isn’t going to stop at just private car use.
Get yer bike clips ready we’ll be going Dutch before much longer! Coming to a town/City near near you in the not too distant future imgur.com/a/R2LRKBN
lancpudn:
“Why would we need to be dependent on Lithium for hydrogen fuelled ICE powered vehicles.
I guess that China wasn’t on their list with targets all conveniently based on per capita emissions,So over populating the planet is considered as ok but we aren’t allowed to take advantage of our lower population levels to maintain a better lifestyle which also consumes less overall.
That’s if you even believe that CO2 cooked Venus.
The anything but green Climate zealots will be making their excuses when the inevitable nuclear disaster happens even if this utopian nightmare was deliverable without wrecking the economy.”
The die has been cast by Tesla & China. China didn’t sit still & bought entire countries worth (mostly Africa) of Lithium, Graphite, Cobalt, Nickel & rare earth elements, They control the entire supply line. With all the emission regulation mandates around most of the world & ICE bans starting in 2025 in Norway, 2030 UK & 2035 Europe China will own the global BEV car market by 2030, No other country or EV manufacturer has anywhere near the amount of these materials to make EV’s in volume for mass adoption.
Hydrogen manufacture is still too expensive to manufacture at present & will be for years to come.
Why would we want to create that type of dependence and damage to our own interests and national security when Hydrogen fuelled ICE would cut them out of the frame.
It’s all based on the same exepensive nuclear energy dependency at the end of the day and adding battery costs and dependency and their weight penalty certainly won’t make that situation any cheaper.
It’s just doubling the dependency by adding a far more finite resource than fossil fuel that’s in the hands of a far worse enemy threat to us than anyone in the Middle East ever was.
lancpudn:
“Why would we need to be dependent on Lithium for hydrogen fuelled ICE powered vehicles.
I guess that China wasn’t on their list with targets all conveniently based on per capita emissions,So over populating the planet is considered as ok but we aren’t allowed to take advantage of our lower population levels to maintain a better lifestyle which also consumes less overall.
That’s if you even believe that CO2 cooked Venus.
The anything but green Climate zealots will be making their excuses when the inevitable nuclear disaster happens even if this utopian nightmare was deliverable without wrecking the economy.”
The die has been cast by Tesla & China. China didn’t sit still & bought entire countries worth (mostly Africa) of Lithium, Graphite, Cobalt, Nickel & rare earth elements, They control the entire supply line. With all the emission regulation mandates around most of the world & ICE bans starting in 2025 in Norway, 2030 UK & 2035 Europe China will own the global BEV car market by 2030, No other country or EV manufacturer has anywhere near the amount of these materials to make EV’s in volume for mass adoption.
Hydrogen manufacture is still too expensive to manufacture at present & will be for years to come.
Why would we want to create that type of dependence and damage to our own interests and national security when Hydrogen fuelled ICE would cut them out of the frame.
It’s all based on the same exepensive nuclear energy dependency at the end of the day and adding battery costs and dependency and their weight penalty certainly won’t make that situation any cheaper.
It’s just doubling the dependency by adding a far more finite resource than fossil fuel that’s in the hands of a far worse enemy threat to us than anyone in the Middle East ever was.
All the big western & Japanese car manufacturers have lost control of their own industry to Tesla & China BEV manufacturers, New start up EV companies like X-Peng & NIO are out selling Mercedes & Audi, VW flagship models over there, The Germans certainly know how to screw a car together but they’re crap at software & as BEV’s are rolling computers they’ll be at a big disadvantage for a few more years to come yet. VAG group are not advertising for engineering jobs They’re hiring all the computer nerds they can lay their hands on. The new generation younger car owners are interested in software first & foremost.
You’ve got mobile phone companies like Huawei & Apple who have all the software tech in the world coming into BEV manufacturing & they will leave the laggard car makers behind.
Even the Turkish government have got behind a new BEV start up company called Togg with all the funding they need to build a new factory & cut red tape. That EV will be out next year, electrive.com/2021/08/04/to … n-by-2022/ Pity the UK government couldn’t get their act together & see what was going to happen to the car industry & got a slice of the pie.
Probably won’t take too much research. The Nazis had synthetic fuels in WW2. I believe some German companies that are still in business today had a hand in this. A little research will tell you which ones…
Probably won’t take too much research. The Nazis had synthetic fuels in WW2. I believe some German companies that are still in business today had a hand in this. A little research will tell you which ones…
It will obviously have to be something different to those coal to gas to liquid derivatives.
The Germans also had octane issues with both low quality Romanian oil based and synthetic versions.
It was the import of high octane leaded, high grade Texas oil base, US petrol that played a large part in us getting air superiority over the Luftwaffe.
Ethanol or Hydrogen are the default options for alternative fuelled ICE.
But that obviously won’t suit the EV captive market agenda.
Blimey! Battery tech moves on so fast these days. A new battery company (Our Next Energy) installed their in-house prototype battery pack into a Tesla model S using the same space the Tesla battery did & covered over 700 miles on one charge (752) & not in a warm sunshine state but in Detroit at this time of year. youtube.com/watch?v=fWj2YCdoc9A&t=140s
More battery electric cars were sold in the year 2021 than the period from 2016-2020 combined “190,727 new battery-electric vehicles were registered, along with 114,554 plug-in hybrids, meaning 18.5% of all new cars registered in 2021 can be plugged in” airqualitynews.com/2022/01/06/2 … ev-uptake/
lancpudn:
More battery electric cars were sold in the year 2021 than the period from 2016-2020 combined “190,727 new battery-electric vehicles were registered, along with 114,554 plug-in hybrids, meaning 18.5% of all new cars registered in 2021 can be plugged in” airqualitynews.com/2022/01/06/2 … ev-uptake/
Seems to match over 80% of new near new/nearly new car buyers don’t want an EV.
Which is probably why I’m sitting at home while sales execs are doing most of the few deliveries/collections out there to give them some work to do.Rather than them spending most of the day sitting waiting for a phone call from non existent customers and the ICE rationing system won’t allow them to sell what the customers want to buy.
On that note petrol is the most popular option can’t remember the last time I drove a diesel Range Rover or Disco or Jag if at all even less any of the EV/Hybrid versions.
lancpudn:
More battery electric cars were sold in the year 2021 than the period from 2016-2020 combined “190,727 new battery-electric vehicles were registered, along with 114,554 plug-in hybrids, meaning 18.5% of all new cars registered in 2021 can be plugged in” airqualitynews.com/2022/01/06/2 … ev-uptake/
Could that be because they have stopped us buying petrol and diesel cars
lancpudn:
More battery electric cars were sold in the year 2021 than the period from 2016-2020 combined “190,727 new battery-electric vehicles were registered, along with 114,554 plug-in hybrids, meaning 18.5% of all new cars registered in 2021 can be plugged in” airqualitynews.com/2022/01/06/2 … ev-uptake/
Could that be because they have stopped us buying petrol and diesel cars
No surprise the media propaganda campaign has chosen to airbrush out the fact that new fossil fuelled vehicle sales are already being strictly rationed by the government in the form of average carbon quotas.While obviously pushing the 2030 cut off narrative in a laughable attempt to reduce any potential public backlash.
lancpudn:
More battery electric cars were sold in the year 2021 than the period from 2016-2020 combined “190,727 new battery-electric vehicles were registered, along with 114,554 plug-in hybrids, meaning 18.5% of all new cars registered in 2021 can be plugged in” airqualitynews.com/2022/01/06/2 … ev-uptake/
Could that be because they have stopped us buying petrol and diesel cars
Yep upcoming emission mandates like the ETS which will start in 18-24 months time that will bump the prices of petrol/diesel up & the panic scenes at petrol stations last year over “fuel shortages” Weren’t the google stats a week after that fuel shortage debacle around 1500% rise in BEV google searches Sign of things to come in 5-10 years time?
lancpudn:
More battery electric cars were sold in the year 2021 than the period from 2016-2020 combined “190,727 new battery-electric vehicles were registered, along with 114,554 plug-in hybrids, meaning 18.5% of all new cars registered in 2021 can be plugged in” airqualitynews.com/2022/01/06/2 … ev-uptake/
Could that be because they have stopped us buying petrol and diesel cars
Yep upcoming emission mandates like the ETS which will start in 18-24 months time that will bump the prices of petrol/diesel up & the panic scenes at petrol stations last year over “fuel shortages” Weren’t the google stats a week after that fuel shortage debacle around 1500% rise in BEV google searches Sign of things to come in 5-10 years time?
They searched and they said zb that and ran off to the nearest used car sales outlet to ditch the depreciating, increasingly worthless diesel for a petrol motor.While moaning about the opportunist price increases at the pumps after the ‘fuel shortages’ ended when the government saw they weren’t having the desired effect.As opposed to totally crashing the economy given another 3 or 4 weeks of it.
5-10 years time is going to look a bit silly when fossil fuel prices have reduced to the point where India and China are a fossil fuel consumers’ paradise like the US was in the 1960’s, while electric only goes north of 26p per kwh + those inconvenient taxes for the mug westerners who’ve swallowed the CO2 cooked Venus narrative.
Until a nuclear power station goes rogue in a big way.That will be the final nail in this scam.
