I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - being on the DSA voluntary register does not mean that the instructor is either good or bad.
Using that as the criteria for vetting companies is not the way forward IMO.
Smart Mart, I noticed this in your signature…
LGV Instructor (DSA Registered - only 6 months to decide about re-registering)
Are you having second thoughts on the register 
ROG:
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - being on the DSA voluntary register does not mean that the instructor is either good or bad.
Using that as the criteria for vetting companies is not the way forward IMO.Smart Mart, I noticed this in your signature…
LGV Instructor (DSA Registered - only 6 months to decide about re-registering)
Are you having second thoughts on the register
I’ve been following this thread with real interest and the question above is something I’d like to hear the answer to.
After being made redundant three times in the last 18 months as a driver, I’ve looked into LGV and PCV instructing as a serious career move. I’ve got the best part of 20 years experience as a driver.
LGV/PCV instructor jobs are far and few between - certainly up here in Scotland - so is spending the £2000+ to sit and hopefully pass the course (putting you on the DSA voluntary register), an essential requirement to get you an instructors job in a reputable company?
ANDY1961:
I’ve been following this thread with real interest and the question above is something I’d like to hear the answer to.After being made redundant three times in the last 18 months as a driver, I’ve looked into LGV and PCV instructing as a serious career move. I’ve got the best part of 20 years experience as a driver.
LGV/PCV instructor jobs are far and few between - certainly up here in Scotland - so is spending the £2000+ to sit and hopefully pass the course (putting you on the DSA voluntary register), an essential requirement to get you an instructors job in a reputable company?
Most get an instructor job in a training company and then go for the register if they wish to - I don’t know of anyone who did it the other way around
LGV INSTRUTOR DEBATE
EDIT & ADD - sorry about going off topic 
I should have taken this issue to the above link.
ROG:
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - being on the DSA voluntary register does not mean that the instructor is either good or bad.
Using that as the criteria for vetting companies is not the way forward IMO.Smart Mart, I noticed this in your signature…
LGV Instructor (DSA Registered - only 6 months to decide about re-registering)
Are you having second thoughts on the register
Indeed I am Rog - well hardly second thoughts, I have decided not to redo my register tests - unless someone else pays! I will not be spending nearly £400 for a qualification that the DSA have no intention of making compulsory (despite having the legislation in place to do).
I wrote to the DSA in April with several questions relating to the Register and Instructors. The answers to my 10 questions were not encouraging to say the least. They were unable to confirm the number of instructors who have no re-registered (presumably basic math is beyond them!). There was supposed to be a list of Registered Instructors being published - that hasn’t appeared anywhere useful The DSA say that ‘A public list of LGV instructors is currently maintained and sent to members of the public requesting information about large goods vehicle training providers’, apparently! I also asked if they recorded registered instructors pass rates - they don’t!
All in all - I now think that the DSA register is useless and am looking at RTITB as a possible better alternative! Or just carry on without any current qualification, which as my pass rates have consistently improved year on year, I think is the best option!
I should point out that the company I currently train for will continue to have at least one DSA registered instructor.
Smart Mart - have answered you - HERE
Most get an instructor job in a training company and then go for the register if they wish to - I don’t know of anyone who did it the other way around
It’s not unheard of. I’ve trained a handfull with no instructional experience and will continue to train my own staff as required. 
No need to NAME AND SHAME.
We are Priestley LGV and were invited to join the LGV/HGV website.
We have been working in the training industry for over 20 years. In other words I personally was training LGV (HGV as it was back then) drivers long before this VOLUNTARY register came into being.
Although in principle I agree that all instructors should have some sort of guide lines before being allowed to train others I will point out that those of us who have ‘Grandfathers rights’ as it where as intructors, find it totally unecessery to join this register.
Our pass rate speaks for itself - a lot louder than any certificaste from a voluntary register.
I can also say that this has been pointed out to LGV/HGV training website. Nothing to hide, so no need not to mention our name.
Personally I don’t think it makes a lot of difference. The point I make is that Sean appears to be going back on his original ethos. I await his comments, but he seems to be keeping his head down at the moment.
Smart Mart:
Personally I don’t think it makes a lot of difference. The point I make is that Sean appears to be going back on his original ethos. I await his comments, but he seems to be keeping his head down at the moment.
The site comes across as a broker … i know it states it is not but at the end of the day they make money from it… Middle men always take a slice of the cake in advertising alone ( how much to be on the site after free period )
Mothertrucker:
No need to NAME AND SHAME.
We are Priestley LGV and were invited to join the LGV/HGV website.
We have been working in the training industry for over 20 years. In other words I personally was training LGV (HGV as it was back then) drivers long before this VOLUNTARY register came into being.
Although in principle I agree that all instructors should have some sort of guide lines before being allowed to train others I will point out that those of us who have ‘Grandfathers rights’ as it where as intructors, find it totally unecessery to join this register.
Our pass rate speaks for itself - a lot louder than any certificaste from a voluntary register.
I can also say that this has been pointed out to LGV/HGV training website. Nothing to hide, so no need not to mention our name.
Amazing!
The website clearly states that only companies with DSA or RTITB registered instructors are listed. This clearly is not the case.
If a company has 10 instructors and only 1 is DSA registered is that OK
Comes back to quality assurance and standing by your claims.
IMO just another form of brockerage lying to people to make money
Ricky is this going to get reported in the mags?
I would like an answer to this …
If a company has 5 instructors but only one on the DSA Reg can they still get on your site and how do you check if they are telling porky pies ?
Sean here from hgvlgvtraining. I am sorry I have not responded for a couple of days. The last time I looked on this thread no-one had posted anything for a while. All comments read with great interest. I think I should try and answer a couple of concerns.
1st. I am not a broker and I am not here to rip you all off. I have over 12 years experience of working for a local HGV training company. I am a Director of E.P. Training Services. HGVLGVtraining is a new business I have created. I, like many of you have Class 1, CPC, DGSA, ADR, FLT Instruction etc.
currently the website is free to list. IF and WHEN the website gets results for training companies (1st page of Google, MSN, Yahoo etc.), then a MODEST fee would apply.
The website has only been live since 1st October. It will take time to rise up the rankings. To date we have 40 companies listed. We don’t anticipate attaining 1st page on Google for a while.
Re: DSA approval. Please note. The website states companies must employ DSA RTITB approved instructors. Those companies that invest in DSA approval are not obliged to. As we all know it is not mandatory. The DSA, in my opinion will never make the approval mandatory. They cannot be bothered with the commercial transport training companies. There is no money in it and it’s too hard to manage.
I appreciate your comments also about not needing the DSA approval to instruct. There are many competent instructors who do not require the DSA to confirm there abilities. Therein lies the problem again. The DSA. If the DSA had made it mandatory then we would not have the bucket shops, broker, middlemen and cowboys. We would all have to sing from the same hymn sheet and arguably www.hgvlgvtraining.co.uk would not exist.
My point is that many companies do elect to attain DSA approval. This does cost time and money. Unfortunately the DSA does not promote the HGV approved instructor. You cannot find a DSA approved instructors on the DSA website. You will however soon be able to find the nearest 5 ADI’s to you on the DSA website as they are creating a new application to allow this.
So I see nothing wrong with promoting companies that have dedcided to invest in DSA approval. Three companies listed on www.hgvlgvtraining.co.uk have unfortunately been removed as DSA approval was not present. There is no malice and I wish those training companies well. Should they decide at a later date to attain DSA approval we would be happy to list them.
The website, at the end of the day, has to do what it says. Otherwise its integrity will be lost. I am not here to police the website. I am here to promote the local DSA approved instructor / company on a national basis.
The website has been created to inform the potential customer about the pitfalls of going through a broker. It tells them why they should go direct and helps find a DSA approved provider near to them.
What is wrong in that?. I can assure you my intentions are sincere. If it gets customers going direct then that must only be a good thing.
26 years an Lgv Trainer:
I would like an answer to this …If a company has 5 instructors but only one on the DSA Reg can they still get on your site and how do you check if they are telling porky pies ?
I think most would - what if they had 4 instructors - 2 registered and 2 not
The website states you must employ DSA / RTITB approved instructors. It does however, not state how many. Certainly our expectations would be that employers recruit more approved than not approved instructors. As the DSA publishes (by request only) an out of date DSA register of approved instructors this is, I admit hard to verify.
However the website to a degree is self policing, as we have already discovered.
seanpargeter:
The website states you must employ DSA / RTITB approved instructors. It does however, not state how many.
Thank you for clarifying that point.
well your on the first page of google now
seanpargeter:
The website has only been live since 1st October. It will take time to rise up the rankings. To date we have 40 companies listed. We don’t anticipate attaining 1st page on Google for a while.
just type this
DSA register of approved instructors hgv
delboytwo:
well your on the first page of google nowseanpargeter:
The website has only been live since 1st October. It will take time to rise up the rankings. To date we have 40 companies listed. We don’t anticipate attaining 1st page on Google for a while.just type this
DSA register of approved instructors hgv
Is this not the list for DSA Accerdited Training organisations rather than those companies who may have DSA instructors.
chevmac:
delboytwo:
well your on the first page of google nowseanpargeter:
The website has only been live since 1st October. It will take time to rise up the rankings. To date we have 40 companies listed. We don’t anticipate attaining 1st page on Google for a while.just type this
DSA register of approved instructors hgv
Is this not the list for DSA Accerdited Training organisations rather than those companies who may have DSA instructors.
i am on about the webste that seanpargeter as set up
ROG:
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - being on the DSA voluntary register does not mean that the instructor is either good or bad.
Using that as the criteria for vetting companies is not the way forward IMO
There is no doubt that the website MUST have a benchmark to work to. It doesn’t matter if a company employs all the DSA registered instructors in the country- it still does not make them a trustworthy and professional organisation, it may be that some form of CODE OF PRACTICE could be a way forward for HGV/LGV, it must be easier to police than just relying on someone’s word.
My questions i posted on the forum were answered by a Private message with the answers i wanted …
I posted the questions on here thats where they should have been answered …
I doubt that the site will work.
TO many loopholes any company that wants to register could have 10 instructors but as long as one is on the DSA reg they can be listed .