Looks like the back of Stephen Dale to the left and Steve Skinner on the right ?
Dan Punchard:
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That Trader looks like it was driven into a quarry the quick way 
It was on a cross roads nr Lichfield ,our driver jumped the lights and hit a gravel lorry ,that’s the ford garage at Lichfield .
Dan Punchard:
Looks like the back of Stephen Dale to the left and Steve Skinner on the right ?
J.D.Wayne with the beard, Frank Goodwin at the back, Tommy Johnson in the body warmer & cap and believe it or not he still wears them same two items of clothing, cant just place the other bloke though. Come on windrush put us out of our misery,
1970commer:
Dan Punchard:
Looks like the back of Stephen Dale to the left and Steve Skinner on the right ?J.D.Wayne with the beard, Frank Goodwin at the back, Tommy Johnson in the body warmer & cap and believe it or not he still wears them same two items of clothing, cant just place the other bloke though. Come on windrush put us out of our misery,
I was thinking either Roy Derbyshire, Mick edge or Maurice wheeldon for the chap at the back
Moose:
1970commer:
Dan Punchard:
Looks like the back of Stephen Dale to the left and Steve Skinner on the right ?J.D.Wayne with the beard, Frank Goodwin at the back, Tommy Johnson in the body warmer & cap and believe it or not he still wears them same two items of clothing, cant just place the other bloke though. Come on windrush put us out of our misery,
I was thinking either Roy Derbyshire, Mick edge or Maurice wheeldon for the chap at the back
John Wayne hasn’t altered much has he
I expect most of you will know this chap or would it be only Mr Wakefield
rastone:
I expect most of you will know this chap or would it be only Mr Wakefield
There’s only one of him Tony (thank god), I see him when he needs his car repairing or if he’s at a loose end & wants a cup of tea, the D1000 you sold his dad in 1968 went a lot better than that thing he’s sat in at the moment, good for nearly 90 mph but did take some stopping when he had a front tyre blow out on the M1 doing that speed. He should be my co-pilot in a couple of weeks as I will be out taking part in The Gravel Run in my Commer & Gavin likes to come and chauffeur me around.
1970commer:
rastone:
I expect most of you will know this chap or would it be only Mr WakefieldThere’s only one of him Tony (thank god), I see him when he needs his car repairing or if he’s at a loose end & wants a cup of tea, the D1000 you sold his dad in 1968 went a lot better than that thing he’s sat in at the moment, good for nearly 90 mph but did take some stopping when he had a front tyre blow out on the M1 doing that speed. He should be my co-pilot in a couple of weeks as I will be out taking part in The Gravel Run in my Commer & Gavin likes to come and chauffeur me around.
I’m very surprised you replied.I didn’t think you’d know who it is. Ha bloody Ha.Would you remember his grandad.I took an S-Type Bedford off him for a Trader ( Probably the one your dad’s unloading) He wouldn’t have a heater in them which cost about eight quid.Dennis swapped the wheels on the Bedford before we had it but they’d probably go back on it if he’d sold them to Jim Marsh.I think the D100o did him alright and he did buy a 1614 later.
rastone:
1970commer:
rastone:
I expect most of you will know this chap or would it be only Mr WakefieldThere’s only one of him Tony (thank god), I see him when he needs his car repairing or if he’s at a loose end & wants a cup of tea, the D1000 you sold his dad in 1968 went a lot better than that thing he’s sat in at the moment, good for nearly 90 mph but did take some stopping when he had a front tyre blow out on the M1 doing that speed. He should be my co-pilot in a couple of weeks as I will be out taking part in The Gravel Run in my Commer & Gavin likes to come and chauffeur me around.
I’m very surprised you replied.I didn’t think you’d know who it is. Ha bloody Ha.Would you remember his grandad.I took an S-Type Bedford off him for a Trader ( Probably the one your dad’s unloading) He wouldn’t have a heater in them which cost about eight quid.Dennis swapped the wheels on the Bedford before we had it but they’d probably go back on it if he’d sold them to Jim Marsh.I think the D100o did him alright and he did buy a 1614 later.
The main reason I replied was you don’t see a picture of Gavin Salt on the internet everyday (thank god) I only just remember Walter as he died when I was quite young, my dad bought his business in 1967 then had a new D800 SRC486F off you in 68, he ran that until about 1981 then we cut it up on the yard at Longford.
Did you take the picture Tony & where was it taken, I’ll have something to torment Gavin with next time I see him. what were you doing at ? then Salty.
He can be seen at various rallies throughout the season as he now drives an ERF with a fairground organ in the back for Howard Brothers of Kirk Ireton, if you do bump into him ask to speak to the organ grinder & not his monkey
1970commer:
rastone:
1970commer:
rastone:
I expect most of you will know this chap or would it be only Mr WakefieldThere’s only one of him Tony (thank god), I see him when he needs his car repairing or if he’s at a loose end & wants a cup of tea, the D1000 you sold his dad in 1968 went a lot better than that thing he’s sat in at the moment, good for nearly 90 mph but did take some stopping when he had a front tyre blow out on the M1 doing that speed. He should be my co-pilot in a couple of weeks as I will be out taking part in The Gravel Run in my Commer & Gavin likes to come and chauffeur me around.
I’m very surprised you replied.I didn’t think you’d know who it is. Ha bloody Ha.Would you remember his grandad.I took an S-Type Bedford off him for a Trader ( Probably the one your dad’s unloading) He wouldn’t have a heater in them which cost about eight quid.Dennis swapped the wheels on the Bedford before we had it but they’d probably go back on it if he’d sold them to Jim Marsh.I think the D1000 did him alright and he did buy a 1614 later.
The main reason I replied was you don’t see a picture of Gavin Salt on the internet everyday (thank god) I only just remember Walter as he died when I was quite young, my dad bought his business in 1967 then had a new D800 SRC486F off you in 68, he ran that until about 1981 then we cut it up on the yard at Longford,
I remember Walter Salt and you didn’t say what you thought about the motor he was buying.He bought a factory bodied motor but he wasn’t too happy with the body as it was a bit, shall I say mass produced so when he wanted to buy another Trader I mentioned this and offered to have a body built and he went bollistic saying that he knew what he wanted etc. He didn’t swear and being bollocked by a chap who doesn’t swear is quite an experience.I 've often thought about the D800 I sold your dad as the body was more narrow than it should have been.We had it built at Whitacres of Hanley who were excellent builders.We had quite a lot of motors painted in the Potteries and what a good job they all made.Before 1970 we had Short wheelbase Transits coach painted inside and out for £29.00.You couldn’t buy the brushes for that now.I don’t know if it caused your dad any trouble for this width but I didn’t hear anymore about it and he still talked to me and I still sold a few motors in the area.It wouldn’t surprise me if Walter got some heaters from Jim Marsh for his motors or is that going a bit too far.
1970commer:
rastone:
1970commer:
rastone:
I expect most of you will know this chap or would it be only Mr WakefieldThere’s only one of him Tony (thank god), I see him when he needs his car repairing or if he’s at a loose end & wants a cup of tea, the D1000 you sold his dad in 1968 went a lot better than that thing he’s sat in at the moment, good for nearly 90 mph but did take some stopping when he had a front tyre blow out on the M1 doing that speed. He should be my co-pilot in a couple of weeks as I will be out taking part in The Gravel Run in my Commer & Gavin likes to come and chauffeur me around.
I’m very surprised you replied.I didn’t think you’d know who it is. Ha bloody Ha.Would you remember his grandad.I took an S-Type Bedford off him for a Trader ( Probably the one your dad’s unloading) He wouldn’t have a heater in them which cost about eight quid.Dennis swapped the wheels on the Bedford before we had it but they’d probably go back on it if he’d sold them to Jim Marsh.I think the D100o did him alright and he did buy a 1614 later.
The main reason I replied was you don’t see a picture of Gavin Salt on the internet everyday (thank god) I only just remember Walter as he died when I was quite young, my dad bought his business in 1967 then had a new D800 SRC486F off you in 68, he ran that until about 1981 then we cut it up on the yard at Longford.
Did you take the picture Tony & where was it taken, I’ll have something to torment Gavin with next time I see him. what were you doing at ? then Salty.
He can be seen at various rallies throughout the season as he now drives an ERF with a fairground organ in the back for Howard Brothers of Kirk Ireton, if you do bump into him ask to speak to the organ grinder & not his monkey
It was taken in Pump Lane in Doveridge where my mate ( John Ward) has been sorting a very large house building project and he called me over to see a bloke I might know and that was it.
rastone:
1970commer:
rastone:
1970commer:
rastone:
I expect most of you will know this chap or would it be only Mr WakefieldThere’s only one of him Tony (thank god), I see him when he needs his car repairing or if he’s at a loose end & wants a cup of tea, the D1000 you sold his dad in 1968 went a lot better than that thing he’s sat in at the moment, good for nearly 90 mph but did take some stopping when he had a front tyre blow out on the M1 doing that speed. He should be my co-pilot in a couple of weeks as I will be out taking part in The Gravel Run in my Commer & Gavin likes to come and chauffeur me around.
I’m very surprised you replied.I didn’t think you’d know who it is. Ha bloody Ha.Would you remember his grandad.I took an S-Type Bedford off him for a Trader ( Probably the one your dad’s unloading) He wouldn’t have a heater in them which cost about eight quid.Dennis swapped the wheels on the Bedford before we had it but they’d probably go back on it if he’d sold them to Jim Marsh.I think the D1000 did him alright and he did buy a 1614 later.
The main reason I replied was you don’t see a picture of Gavin Salt on the internet everyday (thank god) I only just remember Walter as he died when I was quite young, my dad bought his business in 1967 then had a new D800 SRC486F off you in 68, he ran that until about 1981 then we cut it up on the yard at Longford,
I remember Walter Salt and you didn’t say what you thought about the motor he was buying.He bought a factory bodied motor but he wasn’t too happy with the body as it was a bit, shall I say mass produced so when he wanted to buy another Trader I mentioned this and offered to have a body built and he went bollistic saying that he knew what he wanted etc. He didn’t swear and being bollocked by a chap who doesn’t swear is quite an experience.I 've often thought about the D800 I sold your dad as the body was more narrow than it should have been.We had it built at Whitacres of Hanley who were excellent builders.We had quite a lot of motors painted in the Potteries and what a good job they all made.Before 1970 we had Short wheelbase Transits coach painted inside and out for £29.00.You couldn’t buy the brushes for that now.I don’t know if it caused your dad any trouble for this width but I didn’t hear anymore about it and he still talked to me and I still sold a few motors in the area.It wouldn’t surprise me if Walter got some heaters from Jim Marsh for his motors or is that going a bit too far.
Walter would never swear, he was a part time Methodist preacher and a very good boss so my dad says.
The narrow body was probably a benefit on my dad’s Ford as he spent a lot of time delivering to farms with narrow gateways, when he finished with his Ford he went on the Leyland Clydesdale that my uncle used to drive for him, this was no where near as manoeuverable in a tight farmyard.
The heaters did come from Jim Marsh’s, if I remember right they were a fiver, my dad stuck two winters without one and when he asked if he could have one Walter agreed to pay for a second hand one if he would go & get one & fit it himself in his own time.
rastone:
Moose:
1970commer:
Dan Punchard:
Looks like the back of Stephen Dale to the left and Steve Skinner on the right ?J.D.Wayne with the beard, Frank Goodwin at the back, Tommy Johnson in the body warmer & cap and believe it or not he still wears them same two items of clothing, cant just place the other bloke though. Come on windrush put us out of our misery,
I was thinking either Roy Derbyshire, Mick edge or Maurice wheeldon for the chap at the back
John Wayne hasn’t altered much has he
still regularly do night work with J D Wayne and no he’s not changed much
windrush:
rastone:
windrush:
Steve Collins, I had forgotten about him. Remember him around but that was many moons ago now. Only knew of Bob Woolley (I Hate Yorkie) of the others being wined and dined, didn’t have much contact with the Buxton based lads!Hilton Gravel were before my time, didn’t realise that they ran so many trucks.
Pete.
Hilton Gravel did have their own trucks but Allen’s were contracted to them.Hilton’s own motors were Leylands but of course Mr Spurrier who owned Hilton Gravel was related to the Leyland Mr Spurrier.There were many folk on Hilton Gravel.Cyril Billings,Harry Thorley and several more.Mr Jack Allen and I had many a chat sitting round the stove in his garage on converted car seats and drinking tea, but his mugs were cleaner than most but with the oily finger marked ones we didn’t catch owt.
We took quite a few to Harrogate and Jug and Glass Gang were increased from the first 6.Steve came from Chelmoreton as did Ken Moseley and there was Roy Derbyshire from Warslow and John Wayne and didn’t he just look after his Cargo and his Leyland (or Albion) before.Actually John Webster set the job going with these lads.We arranged a meeting at the Jug and Glass one evening when a chap called Ron Armstrong from Iveco Ford gave a talk and he said that in a few years on from then there would be only about five major producers of trucks.How true that was and is.We sold a lot of these L10 Cargo 2424 tippers.I dealt with a chap called Bill Willocks at Tarmac and he bought vehicles for contract owner drivers and they had quite a few.I won’t go on now but I’m glad I’m retired but it’s good to look back on the good things.There was a lot of problems with the 2424’s at first mostly brakes but once they got out of warranty you owners sorted them out.They were good on fuel and not to big and of course a flat floor so you could get out of the passenger side.
One bloke who really comes to mind and I sold him a Ford D-Series was Don Wayne.,He could work like nobody else.He lies in a small churchyard in The Orkneys.Would be interesting to see what it says on the headstone
Sorry to hear that Don has passed on, quite a character! He drove for several days with no windscreen because he couldn’t afford another, sat all day in the quarry because the Customs and Excise were waiting down the lane and he had a tank full of red diesel, wouldn’t go uphill to Buxton or Manchester or even Mansfield as he reckoned that he got Vertigo on hills, I could relate many more tales of Don! His trouble was women, he married them and they took all his money when they left him, hence why he ended up running rough tackle. As you will know he once ran the Howard Arms at Cubley Stoop on the A515, Roy Wood the popstar owns it now I believe.
I do remember the early Cargos having brake problems, Steve Dunn had John Websters after John bought a new Sed Ak and Roy bought the Sed Ak off of John when John finally saw sense and purchased a Foden!
Of course it wouldn’t uprate to 26 tonne like the later ones that Roy and JD had but still did good work, I found them a rough ride after the sprung cab on my Fodens though. I was certain that Dave Mackenzie told me that he sold them at TCH, obviously not!
Pete.
When these motors were first talked about I had had a conversation with Bob Woolley and he first mentioned the 2421 with the Cseries ■■■■■■■ but these were quite a different spec.i.e.Engine of course,no diff locks,twin plate clutch,ZF gearbox,manual cab tilt etc.The highest axle ratio was 4.1.Now the highest axle and the highest on the 2424 was 4.3. which was a bit strange to me and although there wasn’t that much difference the lads wanted the higher one if they could get it.So after a discussion with a very helpful chap at Ford called John Sharples we were able to have the swap.But John Wayne had a problem twice with his and after the second time Ford had put 4.1 in one diff. and 4.3 in the other.It didn’t seem to be a problem at first but after a while and the job was sorted.
Not like going in a showroom to buy a car is it.
Tony
1970commer:
Dan Punchard:
Looks like the back of Stephen Dale to the left and Steve Skinner on the right ?J.D.Wayne with the beard, Frank Goodwin at the back, Tommy Johnson in the body warmer & cap and believe it or not he still wears them same two items of clothing, cant just place the other bloke though. Come on windrush put us out of our misery,
Been away at the Bamford rally Rob so only just seen the pic, sorry I can’t help you with the chap at the rear though. The pic must date from before 1983 as I was in the garage when they had the drivers strike so didn’t have much contact with the weighbridge, they did let me through the picket line to take a lorry to Raynesway for testing though. I saw Gavin at Lincoln Steam Rally and had a natter with him, also chatted to Tommy Babb yesterday at the Bamford rally as a few trucks called in on the way back from the road run. Thought you might have been on it, still diesel isn’t cheap! 
Learned that Mick Bailey had recently passed away as well, very sad, never had much luck did Mick but was a grand chap when the ‘Black Dog’ wasn’t affecting him. He took some stick over that multi vehicle pile-up on the M1 in dense fog back in the early 1970’s but it was all resolved in the end. You might remember him having the newsagents on Compton (Ashbourne) after he finished driving Rob?
Pete.
Hiya Windrush hows Tommy Babb…hes he packed up working now■■? he was doing a Foden two stoke mixer
the last time i spoke to him… it would be at Smallwood about 3 years ago he was with Ian Massey
John
3300John:
Hiya Windrush hows Tommy Babb…hes he packed up working now■■? he was doing a Foden two stoke mixer
the last time i spoke to him… it would be at Smallwood about 3 years ago he was with Ian Massey
John
Hi John
Tom’s doing OK, still a year to do before he retires. Drives a Foden Alpha now. The mixer hasn’t changed much from last year, still just a chassis/cab, but the barrel has been shot blasted and ready for fitting together with its skid unit to the chassis over Winter. It sounds nice though, he was on the road run with Ray Leese who was powders foreman at Ballidon, Ray gives him a hand with it now he has retired after 44 years at Ballidon quarry. It has a 4D donkey engine, I placed an order for 50 cu yds of readmix but I reckon I will have to wait a while for delivery haha!
Pete.