limeyphil:
The thing to do is put a claim in and let us know how you get on. I’m not sure if those on here that say you only get 20% have actually put any claims in or are sumising without doing anything themselves.
I’m looking at the paperwork that I got from HMRC (along with my cheque) when I put in a backdated claim for uniform cleaning allowance in October last year. They helpfully send you details of how they worked it out.
For each tax year it clearly states what I earned and how much PAYE tax was actually deducted. They then take 60 quid off of that (60 quid being the flat rate Job Expense allowance for uniform cleaning) and work out what tax I should have paid.
No surprises, it’s actually about 11 or 12 quid less for each tax year, giving me a total refund of £45 for the whole four years (not £240, which you are telling me I should have got), and they have adjusted my tax code from 944L to 950L, which means the income tax I pay will continue to be about 11 quid a year lower in future years. Notice that is £11, not £60.
I’m happy to show these documents online if you don’t believe me (although I understand it might be seen as Bad Form to openly display gross income figures).
Same applied when I was on the Agency and working under an “umbrella” company - The receipts I submitted for “allowable” (the term is significant here) served to reduce my liability for tax (Corporation Tax in that case) by reducing the “taxable” figure by the amount of the expense.
If there is a (legal) way of getting reimbursed in full by HMRC, I’d like to know how it’s done!
Conor.
Have you ever put a P87 claim in?
I’ll answer it for you. NO, you haven’t.
Try it and see for yourself. People like you said i was full of BS when i introduced trucknetuk to it. 
Keep it up if you want. The only thing i can see is, You live in a village full of idiots and you’re the village idiot.
Your comments are not making you look good. You can’t back them up with any proof. Whereas i’ve been posting, issuing advice and showing proof for several years on here.
Get a grip.
Roymondo:
limeyphil:
The thing to do is put a claim in and let us know how you get on. I’m not sure if those on here that say you only get 20% have actually put any claims in or are sumising without doing anything themselves.
I’m looking at the paperwork that I got from HMRC (along with my cheque) when I put in a backdated claim for uniform cleaning allowance in October last year. They helpfully send you details of how they worked it out.
For each tax year it clearly states what I earned and how much PAYE tax was actually deducted. They then take 60 quid off of that (60 quid being the flat rate Job Expense allowance for uniform cleaning) and work out what tax I should have paid.
No surprises, it’s actually about 11 or 12 quid less for each tax year, giving me a total refund of £45 for the whole four years (not £240, which you are telling me I should have got), and they have adjusted my tax code from 944L to 950L, which means the income tax I pay will continue to be about 11 quid a year lower in future years. Notice that is £11, not £60.
I’m happy to show these documents online if you don’t believe me (although I understand it might be seen as Bad Form to openly display gross income figures).
Same applied when I was on the Agency and working under an “umbrella” company - The receipts I submitted for “allowable” (the term is significant here) served to reduce my liability for tax (Corporation Tax in that case) by reducing the “taxable” figure by the amount of the expense.
If there is a (legal) way of getting reimbursed in full by HMRC, I’d like to know how it’s done!
Appeal it.
It took me at least three attempts the first time.
I find it much easier now.
Appeal it on what grounds? I know how Income Tax works - You start with your gross income, deduct any flat-rate allowances and “allowable” expenses, then pay tax on whatever is left. That’s the way it has always been.
Roymondo:
Appeal it on what grounds? I know how Income Tax works - You start with your gross income, deduct any flat-rate allowances and “allowable” expenses, then pay tax on whatever is left. That’s the way it has always been.
Ok, appeal it was the wrong term.
I just re did the form until I got what I wanted.
So basically you lied on the form?
Roymondo:
So basically you lied on the form?
No. I just kept on at them.
Back then they thought the form was only to be used by the likes of sales reps for mileage allowance. So it was a learning curve for them and me.
Each time they got the figures wrong or refused it altogether, I had to re do the form. It’s all to do with dealing with the right person at the right time and not just rolling over and accepting that what they say is right.
Perhaps that was a bit terse. The form is here: hmrc.gov.uk/forms/p87.pdf
As I read it, if you paid out £19 for your digicard, you would enter that amount at Section 4. Assuming no other expenses to confuse the issue, you would carry forward that £19 to Item 11 on Page 4, and (again, assuming your employer doesn’t reimburse you at all) the same £19 would appear at Item 14. After you submit the form, “If relief is due you will receive a repayment of the tax paid on the net allowable expenses” - i.e. you will get 20% (or 40% if a Higher Rate taxpayer) of your £19 back.
Until recently I worked in recruitment. I have had more than my fair share of dealing with umbrella companies and am very aware of the systems they all use, particularly in relation to the tax efficiencies of their systems and indeed, for Ltd Co drivers. It is exactly as Conor and Roymondo have stated.
What I would also say is that our beloved friends at HMRC are renown for making mistakes, and sometimes in your favour, which is exactly what happened to me! Unfortunately, they are even better at some point, sooner or later, realising those mistakes at which point they will make a bee-line for you to recoup that mistake. In my case, their mistake* meant that they came to me almost 3 years later wanting all of the ‘tax’ back, some £3.5k. At first they asked for a lump sum but eventually agreed, only because it was their mistake, to adjust my tax code over a 20 month period. It still hurt me though, paying that extra tax that was never really in my budget.
*The mistake was that they said they had taken into account my military pension when issuing me with a tax code (I had the letter to prove it) when actually they hadn’t! It took them 3 years to realise which is when they came looking for ‘their’ money. Probably my bad for not realising also but in my then PAYE position, I didn’t pay too much attention to the detail on the payslip …
Anyway, my point is, I hope for your sake Limeyphil, that they don’t ‘realise their mistake’ and come looking for all of the ‘however many years arrears’ in a lump sum!!
There were around 380 drivers on the books of my previous role, pretty much an even split between umbrella schemes and Ltd Co drivers. I don’t know of a single one of them that got 100% of their expenses back.
Who mentioned umbrella companies? This is about p87 for employed people.
It’s a fair point, however, many of the allowances apply to both sets of drivers. And still, I don’t know a single one of them that got 100% back.
Trust me, I would be chuffed to bits if you were totally correct and the rest of us were wrong. I’ll even buy you a pint (or ten) when I get my rebate!! 
Conor:
limeyphil:
You get the full £2500. Some people think you will only get 20% ish.
You’re talking crap. 
The £2500 is taken off your income, the tax due recalculated and you are paid accordingly.
If you’ve not earned enough to pay tax you’ll get nowt.
If you’ve earned £2500 or more over the lower threshold (the tax free amount) you’ll get £500.
If you’ve earned anything in between the two you’ll get back what you’ve paid in income tax up to £500.
IMPORTANT NOTE: When doing your tax credit renewal your income is your gross pay less the amount you claim on the P87. For example if you earn £15,000 and claim £1000 on the P87 your income for all income related benefits or anyone who asks is £14,000. Even if you haven’t earned enough to get any or all of it back still deduct the amount so if you only earned £8,000 which isn’t taxable and you claimed £1000 your income is £7,000.
Conor has it spot on. That’s the way it works.
Also, when making a claim for expenses, you cannot claim for expenses that your employer has ‘made good’ (I.e reimbursed you for).
For limeyphils sake, he should hope that no tax inspectors are reading this thread!