PAUL GEE's PHOTO COLLECTION (Part 1)

[chris_webb]

Bewick:

Chris Webb:

gingerfold:
Good photos of Isherwood’s VIP fleet. They started retailing petrol that was recovered distillate from town gas works and tar works etc. I recall that it certainly smelled different to the major brands of petrol. Come to think of it why does modern unleaded smell nothing like petrol used to smell like, whereas diesel fuel today smells much like it always did, especially if you spill some on your trousers. Over to you Mr Webb.

Errr,well Graham,I can only suggest that petrol derived from coking ovens/gas/tar works had a different smell from petrol derived from crude oil. Certainly coke oven Toluene,which is a volatile petroleum spirit,smelt a bit different from Toluene cracked from crude oil.I can think of one company that would only buy toluene derived from crude benzole from coking plants as it was purer.
Does that help?

Our resident Chemist based in the the IOM may confirm this but in the 60’s/70’s there was a garage in Kendal that started selling ICI juice and it defo smelled different than other petrol, it was a few coppers a gallon cheaper and I don’t"Resident know whether you went further on a gallon or not but I do know that you didn’t go as far on a gallon of Philips derv than say Shell or BP and the Philips refinery was on Teesside same as the ICI one. Cheers Dennis.

“Resident Isle of Man chemist” - I don’t think so me owd. That ICI petrol would possibly be a by product from another product ICI were making Dennis,from either Wilton or Billingham. I remember Sadlers from Teesside running petrol as well,“King of petrol” it said ont back of tanks.Why Phillips juice weren’t as good as Shell/BP I don’t know.
That’s why I’m not a chemist.

[punchy_dan]

Ey Chris did you ever see the scale model at coalite of the chemical plant ?

[bewick]

Hiya Chris now don’t be modest and “hide your light under a bushel” you can quote all these fancy chemical names that half of us have never heard off eh! But I know about the MPG differences between decent juice and “■■■■■■ as I recall Paul Stiller telling me that they needed x number more gallons of Philips derv than the proper stuff to do a round trip to London and back. I used to buy a few loads of Philips which I put into the bunkers we used up and down the country but then again everyone else was putting “donkey ■■■■” in as well ! Cheers Dennis.

[smallcoal]

Hi all re the convoy go on you tube type in iron ore convoy port talbot there’s good vids of the lorries loading in bsc ,I used to load the trailers ready for drop and swap with joints cheers John ,Paul moomooland watch ore team part two on you tube there’s a remploy truck on there

[deanb]

240 Gardner:

DEANB:
Thanks for the detailed reply,i thought they must have been all owned by the same group as there
all similar with there colour schemes. Thanks for the details.

Coastal Roadways ERF tanker.

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Coastal Roadways was based down in Pyle

Cheers Chris !

Chris Webb:

240 Gardner:

DEANB:
Thanks for the detailed reply,i thought they must have been all owned by the same group as there
all similar with there colour schemes. Thanks for the details.

Coastal Roadways ERF tanker.

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Coastal Roadways was based down in Pyle

Yes Chris,they did a lot of work out of BP Baglan Bay,a lot of Styrene to Barry amongst other products and destinations.

Thanks for the comments Chris !

240 Gardner:

DEANB:
Anyone recognise the Atkinson ■■?

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No, but it looks a terrific grafter!

Yeah a nice pic.

David Miller:
Ah! The Miners strike. Now there was democracy in action.

But never mind. Comrade Chairman Corbyn will lead us back to the glory days in no time.

David

Lets keep it on trucks please and not politics.

moomooland:

240 Gardner:
Not an exhaustive list by any means, but P&O road transport operators included North Western Roadways, Coastal Roadways, Eastern Roadways International, West Midland Roadways, Henry Smithers, all ultimately brought together as P&O Roadways, and morphing into Roadways Container Logistics. The P&O Group was immense

Here’s one of the aforementioned Chris.

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Good shot Paul of the Guy !

gazsa401:

David Miller:
Ah! The Miners strike. Now there was democracy in action.

But never mind. Comrade Chairman Corbyn will lead us back to the glory days in no time.

David

I doubt it very much as the [zb] Thatcher made sure that there was going to be no more coal industry left with the help of the scab UDM

No politics please,lets keep it on trucks !

240 Gardner:

moomooland:

240 Gardner:
Not an exhaustive list by any means, but P&O road transport operators included North Western Roadways, Coastal Roadways, Eastern Roadways International, West Midland Roadways, Henry Smithers, all ultimately brought together as P&O Roadways, and morphing into Roadways Container Logistics. The P&O Group was immense

Here’s one of the aforementioned Chris.

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Thank you Paul! I think the Big J was relatively unusual with P&O, or at least I don’t remember many. They seemed to like ERFs, although I think West Midland Roadways had some Guys, I think - maybe the local connection with the factory

Punchy Dan:

Punchy Dan:
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Graham Hadfield was a sub contractor to Waters .

Could be Ken lawley or Dave Cooke driving .

Thanks for your input Dan !

gingerfold:
Good photos of Isherwood’s VIP fleet. They started retailing petrol that was recovered distillate from town gas works and tar works etc. I recall that it certainly smelled different to the major brands of petrol. Come to think of it why does modern unleaded smell nothing like petrol used to smell like, whereas diesel fuel today smells much like it always did, especially if you spill some on your trousers. Over to you Mr Webb.

Thanks for your comments Graham.

gingerfold:
Sorry, double post, there’s something wrong with my laptop…or the numpty using it.

Chris Webb:

gingerfold:
Good photos of Isherwood’s VIP fleet. They started retailing petrol that was recovered distillate from town gas works and tar works etc. I recall that it certainly smelled different to the major brands of petrol. Come to think of it why does modern unleaded smell nothing like petrol used to smell like, whereas diesel fuel today smells much like it always did, especially if you spill some on your trousers. Over to you Mr Webb.

Errr,well Graham,I can only suggest that petrol derived from coking ovens/gas/tar works had a different smell from petrol derived from crude oil. Certainly coke oven Toluene,which is a volatile petroleum spirit,smelt a bit different from Toluene cracked from crude oil.I can think of one company that would only buy toluene derived from crude benzole from coking plants as it was purer.
Does that help?

phop:
BJD daf bulker belonged to bob slaney aka redskin from Derby

Cheers “phop” “redskin” another nickname !

Bewick:

Chris Webb:

gingerfold:
Good photos of Isherwood’s VIP fleet. They started retailing petrol that was recovered distillate from town gas works and tar works etc. I recall that it certainly smelled different to the major brands of petrol. Come to think of it why does modern unleaded smell nothing like petrol used to smell like, whereas diesel fuel today smells much like it always did, especially if you spill some on your trousers. Over to you Mr Webb.

Errr,well Graham,I can only suggest that petrol derived from coking ovens/gas/tar works had a different smell from petrol derived from crude oil. Certainly coke oven Toluene,which is a volatile petroleum spirit,smelt a bit different from Toluene cracked from crude oil.I can think of one company that would only buy toluene derived from crude benzole from coking plants as it was purer.
Does that help?

Our resident Chemist based in the the IOM may confirm this but in the 60’s/70’s there was a garage in Kendal that started selling ICI juice and it defo smelled different than other petrol, it was a few coppers a gallon cheaper and I don’t know whether you went further on a gallon or not but I do know that you didn’t go as far on a gallon of Philips derv than say Shell or BP and the Philips refinery was on Teesside same as the ICI one. Cheers Dennis.

Cheers Dennis for your comment.

moomooland:
An article from well known lorry photographer Peter J Davies who turns the clock back to 1989.
Click page twice to view full size.

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Thanks Paul, i have a few of those floating about !

Chris Webb:

Bewick:

Chris Webb:

gingerfold:
Good photos of Isherwood’s VIP fleet. They started retailing petrol that was recovered distillate from town gas works and tar works etc. I recall that it certainly smelled different to the major brands of petrol. Come to think of it why does modern unleaded smell nothing like petrol used to smell like, whereas diesel fuel today smells much like it always did, especially if you spill some on your trousers. Over to you Mr Webb.

Errr,well Graham,I can only suggest that petrol derived from coking ovens/gas/tar works had a different smell from petrol derived from crude oil. Certainly coke oven Toluene,which is a volatile petroleum spirit,smelt a bit different from Toluene cracked from crude oil.I can think of one company that would only buy toluene derived from crude benzole from coking plants as it was purer.
Does that help?

Our resident Chemist based in the the IOM may confirm this but in the 60’s/70’s there was a garage in Kendal that started selling ICI juice and it defo smelled different than other petrol, it was a few coppers a gallon cheaper and I don’t"Resident know whether you went further on a gallon or not but I do know that you didn’t go as far on a gallon of Philips derv than say Shell or BP and the Philips refinery was on Teesside same as the ICI one. Cheers Dennis.

“Resident Isle of Man chemist” - I don’t think so me owd. That ICI petrol would possibly be a by product from another product ICI were making Dennis,from either Wilton or Billingham. I remember Sadlers from Teesside running petrol as well,“King of petrol” it said ont back of tanks.Why Phillips juice weren’t as good as Shell/BP I don’t know.
That’s why I’m not a chemist.

Punchy Dan:
Ey Chris did you ever see the scale model at coalite of the chemical plant ?

[deanb]

Bewick:
Hiya Chris now don’t be modest and “hide your light under a bushel” you can quote all these fancy chemical names that half of us have never heard off eh! But I know about the MPG differences between decent juice and “[zb]” as I recall Paul Stiller telling me that they needed x number more gallons of Philips derv than the proper stuff to do a round trip to London and back. I used to buy a few loads of Philips which I put into the bunkers we used up and down the country but then again everyone else was putting “donkey ■■■■” in as well ! Cheers Dennis.

“donkey ■■■■”

smallcoal:
Hi all re the convoy go on you tube type in iron ore convoy port talbot there’s good vids of the lorries loading in bsc ,I used to load the trailers ready for drop and swap with joints cheers John

Cheers John,will have a look !

[deanb]

W.H.Jakeway & Sons Seddon Atkinson.

[moomooland]

J. & H. Hinchliffe of Bury.

One of Hinchliffe’s Albion Riever’s on Bridge Street Ramsbottom during one of the the annual rose queen parades in the 1960’s.

From the mid 1980’s Hinchliffe’s ran a number of these Dennis Delta four wheeler’s some in curtain side form others as flats.

Used on general haulage this was rather unusual at the time as the Dennis Delta was mainly supplied for use as fire engines and council refuse lorry’s although Calor Gas did have quite a number in their fleet at one time.

[jshepguis]

Bewick:

Chris Webb:

gingerfold:
Good photos of Isherwood’s VIP fleet. They started retailing petrol that was recovered distillate from town gas works and tar works etc. I recall that it certainly smelled different to the major brands of petrol. Come to think of it why does modern unleaded smell nothing like petrol used to smell like, whereas diesel fuel today smells much like it always did, especially if you spill some on your trousers. Over to you Mr Webb.

Errr,well Graham,I can only suggest that petrol derived from coking ovens/gas/tar works had a different smell from petrol derived from crude oil. Certainly coke oven Toluene,which is a volatile petroleum spirit,smelt a bit different from Toluene cracked from crude oil.I can think of one company that would only buy toluene derived from crude benzole from coking plants as it was purer.
Does that help?

Our resident Chemist based in the the IOM may confirm this but in the 60’s/70’s there was a garage in Kendal that started selling ICI juice and it defo smelled different than other petrol, it was a few coppers a gallon cheaper and I don’t know whether you went further on a gallon or not but I do know that you didn’t go as far on a gallon of Philips derv than say Shell or BP and the Philips refinery was on Teesside same as the ICI one. Cheers Dennis.

As regards ICI petrol it was a byproduct from the then vast ICI Wilton petrochemical site. It did smell different and was definitely low quality probably at the bottom of the RON ratings say 3 star! from those who remember. As a mechanic avoided it like the plague as cars slightly out of tune would pink/ detonate and mpg was lower, but it was cheap and that was good enough for most!!

[smallcoal]

On you tube type in ore team there’s 2 parts ,the 1st one they giving out doggy bags before loading the one in the window is Keith Lewis weighbridge staff there’s Meeks,blue line,joints and numerous firms ,the 2nd part got a remploy leyland on it at the beginning its worth watching cheers John

[chris_webb]

Punchy Dan:
Ey Chris did you ever see the scale model at coalite of the chemical plant ?

No Dan,never saw that,was it in reception? If so I never got that far,only weighbridge to Boiler Plant.Can smell it now…

[punchy_dan]

Chris Webb:

Punchy Dan:
Ey Chris did you ever see the scale model at coalite of the chemical plant ?

No Dan,never saw that,was it in reception? If so I never got that far,only weighbridge to Boiler Plant.Can smell it now…

Chris have a look on Flickr at paulio ,I seem to think he or someone found a bag of slides/ negatives from there , it still smells now , how they will ever do anything with it I’ll never know ,the river was reported to be so pollouted that it was safer to leave it than re course it

[chris_webb]

jshepguis:

Bewick:

Chris Webb:

gingerfold:
Good photos of Isherwood’s VIP fleet. They started retailing petrol that was recovered distillate from town gas works and tar works etc. I recall that it certainly smelled different to the major brands of petrol. Come to think of it why does modern unleaded smell nothing like petrol used to smell like, whereas diesel fuel today smells much like it always did, especially if you spill some on your trousers. Over to you Mr Webb.

Errr,well Graham,I can only suggest that petrol derived from coking ovens/gas/tar works had a different smell from petrol derived from crude oil. Certainly coke oven Toluene,which is a volatile petroleum spirit,smelt a bit different from Toluene cracked from crude oil.I can think of one company that would only buy toluene derived from crude benzole from coking plants as it was purer.
Does that help?

Our resident Chemist based in the the IOM may confirm this but in the 60’s/70’s there was a garage in Kendal that started selling ICI juice and it defo smelled different than other petrol, it was a few coppers a gallon cheaper and I don’t know whether you went further on a gallon or not but I do know that you didn’t go as far on a gallon of Philips derv than say Shell or BP and the Philips refinery was on Teesside same as the ICI one. Cheers Dennis.

As regards ICI petrol it was a byproduct from the then vast ICI Wilton petrochemical site. It did smell different and was definitely low quality probably at the bottom of the RON ratings say 3 star! from those who remember. As a mechanic avoided it like the plague as cars slightly out of tune would pink/ detonate and mpg was lower, but it was cheap and that was good enough for most!!

Sometimes petrol is accidentally made as part of another process - at least that’s what a chemist in the lab at NCB refinery at Wath on Dearne told me.We once got a job early 70s running “Aromatic Fraction” from BSC Chemicals Orgreave to Shell at Partington ont Manchester Ship Canal.The Aromatic Fraction turned out to be petrol as near as ■■■■ it is to swearing and went straight into their storage.Condensate,a liquid off North Sea Gas was used by NCB to make gas oil,white spirit and all manner of pet spirits,even petrol if they wanted.
Right anorak on and away…

[hrs]

DEANB:
Article about E.C.Transport.

I thought he did Middle East mentions it in this article.

Click on pages twice to view.

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Thanks Dean,
If my small brain cells are still working, he bought a Tilt wagon and drag on leaving the Army and ran some middle east but of course the regulations, (even then) were very strict on explosive movement so he quickly changed and grew very quickly, Thanks again for the pictures, happy days. RIP Ian… Harvey

[windrush]

Blooming ICI petrol! We did 340 miles from Matlock to Perth in our Vauxhall Victor FE with no problem at all, filled up with ICI at a garage next to St Johnstone football ground and within ten miles the car was pinking badly, overheating and finally cracked its cylinder head resulting in a limp back home and a shortened holiday. Never used the crap again.

Pete.

[deanb]

moomooland:
4J. & H. Hinchliffe of Bury.

3One of Hinchliffe’s Albion Riever’s on Bridge Street Ramsbottom during one of the the annual rose queen parades in the 1960’s.

2From the mid 1980’s Hinchliffe’s ran a number of these Dennis Delta four wheeler’s some in curtain side form others as flats.
1Used on general haulage this was rather unusual at the time as the Dennis Delta was mainly supplied for use as fire engines and council refuse lorry’s although Calor Gas did have quite a number in their fleet at one time.
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Intresting Paul, i must admit i had forgotten about that type of Dennis truck. Like you say Dennis were
renowned for building chassis for dust carts and fire engines,a bit like Shelvoke & Drewry who were
the same. Good pics.

jshepguis:

Bewick:

Chris Webb:

gingerfold:
Good photos of Isherwood’s VIP fleet. They started retailing petrol that was recovered distillate from town gas works and tar works etc. I recall that it certainly smelled different to the major brands of petrol. Come to think of it why does modern unleaded smell nothing like petrol used to smell like, whereas diesel fuel today smells much like it always did, especially if you spill some on your trousers. Over to you Mr Webb.

Errr,well Graham,I can only suggest that petrol derived from coking ovens/gas/tar works had a different smell from petrol derived from crude oil. Certainly coke oven Toluene,which is a volatile petroleum spirit,smelt a bit different from Toluene cracked from crude oil.I can think of one company that would only buy toluene derived from crude benzole from coking plants as it was purer.
Does that help?

Our resident Chemist based in the the IOM may confirm this but in the 60’s/70’s there was a garage in Kendal that started selling ICI juice and it defo smelled different than other petrol, it was a few coppers a gallon cheaper and I don’t know whether you went further on a gallon or not but I do know that you didn’t go as far on a gallon of Philips derv than say Shell or BP and the Philips refinery was on Teesside same as the ICI one. Cheers Dennis.

As regards ICI petrol it was a byproduct from the then vast ICI Wilton petrochemical site. It did smell different and was definitely low quality probably at the bottom of the RON ratings say 3 star! from those who remember. As a mechanic avoided it like the plague as cars slightly out of tune would pink/ detonate and mpg was lower, but it was cheap and that was good enough for most!!

Cheers for your comments “jshepguis”

smallcoal:
On you tube type in ore team there’s 2 parts ,the 1st one they giving out doggy bags before loading the one in the window is Keith Lewis weighbridge staff there’s Meeks,blue line,joints and numerous firms ,the 2nd part got a remploy leyland on it at the beginning its worth watching cheers John

Had a quick look at the first one John,i was waiting for one of them to get run over on the weighbridge !

Chris Webb:

Punchy Dan:
Ey Chris did you ever see the scale model at coalite of the chemical plant ?

No Dan,never saw that,was it in reception? If so I never got that far,only weighbridge to Boiler Plant.Can smell it now…

Punchy Dan:

Chris Webb:

Punchy Dan:
Ey Chris did you ever see the scale model at coalite of the chemical plant ?

No Dan,never saw that,was it in reception? If so I never got that far,only weighbridge to Boiler Plant.Can smell it now…

Chris have a look on Flickr at paulio ,I seem to think he or someone found a bag of slides/ negatives from there , it still smells now , how they will ever do anything with it I’ll never know ,the river was reported to be so pollouted that it was safer to leave it than re course it

Thanks for your comments Dan.

[deanb]

Chris Webb:

jshepguis:

gingerfold:
Good photos of Isherwood’s VIP fleet. They started retailing petrol that was recovered distillate from town gas works and tar works etc. I recall that it certainly smelled different to the major brands of petrol. Come to think of it why does modern unleaded smell nothing like petrol used to smell like, whereas diesel fuel today smells much like it always did, especially if you spill some on your trousers. Over to you Mr Webb.

Errr,well Graham,I can only suggest that petrol derived from coking ovens/gas/tar works had a different smell from petrol derived from crude oil. Certainly coke oven Toluene,which is a volatile petroleum spirit,smelt a bit different from Toluene cracked from crude oil.I can think of one company that would only buy toluene derived from crude benzole from coking plants as it was purer.
Does that help?

Our resident Chemist based in the the IOM may confirm this but in the 60’s/70’s there was a garage in Kendal that started selling ICI juice and it defo smelled different than other petrol, it was a few coppers a gallon cheaper and I don’t know whether you went further on a gallon or not but I do know that you didn’t go as far on a gallon of Philips derv than say Shell or BP and the Philips refinery was on Teesside same as the ICI one. Cheers Dennis.

As regards ICI petrol it was a byproduct from the then vast ICI Wilton petrochemical site. It did smell different and was definitely low quality probably at the bottom of the RON ratings say 3 star! from those who remember. As a mechanic avoided it like the plague as cars slightly out of tune would pink/ detonate and mpg was lower, but it was cheap and that was good enough for most!!
[/quote]
Sometimes petrol is accidentally made as part of another process - at least that’s what a chemist in the lab at NCB refinery at Wath on Dearne told me.We once got a job early 70s running “Aromatic Fraction” from BSC Chemicals Orgreave to Shell at Partington ont Manchester Ship Canal.The Aromatic Fraction turned out to be petrol as near as ■■■■ it is to swearing and went straight into their storage.Condensate,a liquid off North Sea Gas was used by NCB to make gas oil,white spirit and all manner of pet spirits,even petrol if they wanted.
Right anorak on and away…
[/quote]
Thanks for the comments Chris.

HRS:

DEANB:
Article about E.C.Transport.

I thought he did Middle East mentions it in this article.

Click on pages twice to view.

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1

Thanks Dean,
If my small brain cells are still working, he bought a Tilt wagon and drag on leaving the Army and ran some middle east but of course the regulations, (even then) were very strict on explosive movement so he quickly changed and grew very quickly, Thanks again for the pictures, happy days. RIP Ian… Harvey

Yes he had a good company Harvey,and i would imagine his profit margins would have been very good as
he was in a specialist market !

windrush:
Blooming ICI petrol! We did 340 miles from Matlock to Perth in our Vauxhall Victor FE with no problem at all, filled up with ICI at a garage next to St Johnstone football ground and within ten miles the car was pinking badly, overheating and finally cracked its cylinder head resulting in a limp back home and a shortened holiday. Never used the crap again.

Pete.

Definately ruined the holiday Pete ! Very unlucky chap !

[moomooland]

DEANB:
Interesting Paul, i must admit i had forgotten about that type of Dennis truck.
Like you say Dennis were renowned for building chassis for dust carts and fire engines,a bit like Shelvoke & Drewry who were
the same. Good pics.

A few firms had them for middle distance but not many used them on long distance like Hinchliffe’s of Bury did.

[deanb]

Did anyone on here drive for BRS as they must have been huge back in the 1970’s judging how many pics
have been on this thread.

BRS North Western Crusader.

United Baltic Corp DAF

S.A.Bell Crusader

E & J Meers Ltd F7 tanker.

ICI DAF

Commercial Motors Berliet demonstrator.

Martin M Lloyd tidy Scania

Howard Tenen’s Marathon.

M & M ■■? DAF low loader.

Fry’s Seddon Atkinson ,looks brand new.

[chris_webb]

Punchy Dan:

Chris Webb:

Punchy Dan:
Ey Chris did you ever see the scale model at coalite of the chemical plant ?

No Dan,never saw that,was it in reception? If so I never got that far,only weighbridge to Boiler Plant.Can smell it now…

Chris have a look on Flickr at paulio ,I seem to think he or someone found a bag of slides/ negatives from there , it still smells now , how they will ever do anything with it I’ll never know ,the river was reported to be so pollouted that it was safer to leave it than re course it

Aye it was an aromatic place that’s for sure,but was a good job driving for them apparantly.You can just see Coalite int distance in this photo,you knew you were near cos you could whiff it miles away.Looks like one of Wilsons ERFs from Ardwick/Stockport plodding along.According to what I’ve read,Coalite site is worse than the old Avenue site at Wingerworth when it comes to cleaning up…
I’ll have a look on Flickr,thanks Dan.