Past Present and in Between in Pictures (Part 1)

Eddie Heaton:
I got a start with Heaton’s sometime in the early 70s , I don’t recall the exact year , possibly 1971 or 72 , but it was the year of the inter - union dispute between the Liverpool dockers and Heaton’s transport .

Agree with all you say, Eddie, but for one thing. My memory tells me it wasn’t an inter-union dispute it was a dispute within the TGWU, a union which always sided with its docker members against its driver members. And not just over containers, I remember trying to tip a trailer there, without a union card, and they sent me across to Marshall’s yard for one of their blokes and his unit to tip my trailer while I waited.

Although I was a T&G union rep at Econofreight, (and they did the dirty on me there) I couldn’t wait to leave those buggers behind.

I enjoyed the comparative luxury of modern wagons, but as a young man my only lustings while driving my 4 wheeler Albion were after a Mk.2 Atki. When I got one I thought I was King of the Road. I reckon I was too. :laughing:

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You’re perfectly correct of course Spardo , the stuffing and stripping debacle did stem from an internal dispute within the T&GWU , a fact which I initially meant to say although I should have taken care to be more specific with the wording of my original post .

As recently as 2011 , just before I decided to kick the job into the long grass , I took a wagon from Wigan to Seaforth …. ( I can’t remember what for , or even if I was empty or loaded ) .

[ This kind of thing appears to be happening to me more and more lately . Only this afternoon I rode down to the bank to obtain a mini statement and on returning home discovered I’d left my card in the bloody atm .]… perhaps you could recommend a good care home in the Wigan area , preferably one that doesn’t stink of pipi .

But getting back to the tale . On my arrival at the gate of the Freeport , I was asked to produce not my union card , but my driving licence … What the Xbox for ?

Despite my protestations however , I found myself obliged to return home for my licence in order to satisfy the requirements of the security guys … 40 odd miles wasted and 5 gallons of diesel burnt , for buggerall as far as I could see . What the zb is happening to this country ?

Very few drivers of my acquaintance have ever had much time for Liverpool docks or any other docks for that matter and the unions didn’t do much to help either .

I was always a union member , in fact , from a political standpoint , I would consider my affinities to be somewhere slightly to the left of Putin’s , but with regards to the T&GWU , I paid my subscriptions for years merely in order to be allowed to work , as I suspect did many other drivers . The union was fine when it came to helping out financially with fines arising from minor misdemeanors , but beyond that , they were largely about as much use as ■■■■ on a bull .

Although the union had the word “ Transport “ in its title , that was just about as close to transport that it ever got it in my particular view .

Then to reinforce my opinion , at some point in the mid 90s ….it may have been the time when they proposed taking HGV entitlement away from monocular drivers , or drivers that were obliged to wear corrective lenses in order to satisfy visual requirements ,…you may remember the occasion . The then general secretary, Bill Morris , made a brief appearance on national television and uttered a few sentences which managed to amply illustrate his total ignorance of the transport industry .

What a gob**ite that bloke was ,… I’m unable to recall his exact words but I wish now that I’d taped the interview , as no one would believe it otherwise ,

So there you have it Spardo , an extremely short extract from one ex-driver’s opinion of the T&GWU . I sincerely hope that I haven’t caused offence … If I have then I apologise but it remains my opinion nonetheless .

Oh! , and if anyone would care to look up Bill Morris on Wikipedia and witness the heights to which he’s subsequently risen , you could be forgiven for thinking he was a clever bloke … a lucky bloke yes .

Buzzer:
Road rover, only 12 built eight 2wd and four 4wd using parts from the Rover P4 bin, never in production was supposed to be more comfortable with some off road traction, Buzzer

Never seen that before. Not pretty, the lights position similar to the last of the 2A face lift on.

Carryfast:

peterm:
Nail on head, Eddie. Unlike some, I won’t knock today’s drivers because they work with what they’re given, as we did. I think us lot probably had the best of it. Simple motors with not much to go wrong and not much in the way of traffic to get in the way.

The 1980’s were as good as it got.Comfortable enough cabs, air assisted clutches, light power steering still with a decent sized steering wheel, suspension seats, enough power, excellent constant mesh manual boxes with enough gears, no speed limiters.Traffic levels not much different to the 1960’s.

The only clutches that I thought were a bit heavy were on S21 eight legger Fodens: heavy steering on those too when loaded with concrete paving slabs. Garder 180’s with 12 speed boxes were powerful enough. Air assisted clutches: I drove a Foden with a 240 and air clutch and it was on or off. I only drove the one and don’t know if it had a fault, but the 240 pulled well. Our first trip back to England was 1989 after leaving in '74 and the traffic was a lot worse then.

Eddie Heaton:
[ This kind of thing appears to be happening to me more and more lately . Only this afternoon I rode down to the bank to obtain a mini statement and on returning home discovered I’d left my card in the bloody atm .]… perhaps you could recommend a good care home in the Wigan area , preferably one that doesn’t stink of pipi .

Not sure about that but I can definitely warn you against one 15 kms from here. I put my wife in there for respite care in order to go to England for an old boys’ reunion and catch up with family, only to find when I got back that this frail lady who could walk before with a little assistance was confined to bed, and still is 4 months later but gradually improving, simply because the lazy sods had kept her in bed the whole time.

Back to the T&G, I came back from injury in the winter of 79, I think it was, only to be forced to use my own car for miles and miles setting up pickets for that useless strike (which we at our depot had always resisted) with not a penny in recompense for all the fuel because ‘I was still officially on the sick’.

tyneside:
Tyneside

Great picture!

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The only clutches that I thought were a bit heavy were on S21 eight legger Fodens: heavy steering on those too when loaded with concrete paving slabs.

You wouldn’t have been carting out of Hulland Ward by any chance would you peterm ? ….

Just a wild guess on my part . I do a lot of that … guessing . I’m usually wrong but that doesn’t deter me , and on the odd occasion , I have been known to hit the target .

Also on the odd occasion I can access this site in under ten minutes .

peterm:

Carryfast:

peterm:
Nail on head, Eddie. Unlike some, I won’t knock today’s drivers because they work with what they’re given, as we did. I think us lot probably had the best of it. Simple motors with not much to go wrong and not much in the way of traffic to get in the way.

The 1980’s were as good as it got.Comfortable enough cabs, air assisted clutches, light power steering still with a decent sized steering wheel, suspension seats, enough power, excellent constant mesh manual boxes with enough gears, no speed limiters.Traffic levels not much different to the 1960’s.

The only clutches that I thought were a bit heavy were on S21 eight legger Fodens: heavy steering on those too when loaded with concrete paving slabs. Garder 180’s with 12 speed boxes were powerful enough. Air assisted clutches: I drove a Foden with a 240 and air clutch and it was on or off. I only drove the one and don’t know if it had a fault, but the 240 pulled well. Our first trip back to England was 1989 after leaving in '74 and the traffic was a lot worse then.

I guess night trunking with a DAF 2800 ATI in mid to late 80’s was the definition of my view. Especially one of them being fitted with a 3300 spec motor from new by mistake and only found after the fleet engineer was made aware of a phoned in warning from the law with its reg number seen running at a very believable 80 mph + ( wasn’t me driving it at the time ).

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Nethen Buzzer , tha’s towt mi summat theer owd lad .

No doubt many older drivers will be familiar with the transport company HB&H and there can be little doubt that some of those drivers , if they’re still living that is , will be familiar with the history of the now defunct company , although I don’t figure amongst their number it must be stated .

HB&H are the initials of Hutchinson Barton and Hutchinson and photographs of their vehicles can be found on the Hauliers around the Ashton in Makerfield area thread .

Although their vehicles were a common sight in the 60s and 70s when they were still based at the bottom ( Earlestown end ) of Vista road , I have no idea what year they ceased trading . Neither do I have any clue as to the history of the company , yet your photo would appear to suggest that this may well have been HB&H in its embryonic stage .

Needless to say I’ve never seen this photo before .

Nice one mate . The moral of the story being ; If you take the trouble to scrabble through the mud at the bottom of the lake , you’ll eventually turn up a pearl .

And that’s what you’ve turned up there John . Respect .

Buzzer

Eddie Heaton:
HB&H are the initials of Hutchinson Barton and Hutchinson and photographs of their vehicles can be found on the Hauliers around the Ashton in Makerfield area thread .

Not many people know that, and I’m one of them, so thanks for that. I do remember the company well though. :smiley:

Froggy55:

tyneside:
Tyneside0

Great picture!

The young lady leaning on the radiator with the ‘come hither’ look in her eyes has got her hands full fighting off 9 young lads. :stuck_out_tongue:

A somewhat pathetic attempt on my part of a representation of one of the more iconic vehicles in the fleet of HB&H . Regularly seen on the roads of the northwest in the late 60s / early 70s , usually loaded with 15kg bottles of Calor butane or propane .

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