ParkRoyal2100:
Buzzer:
Buzzer
Argosy (the plane, not the car)?
I think that the answer was at the bottom of Buzzers original photo P.R. it’s a Bristol Freighter.
The Argosy had four engines and from what I remember, they were very, very noisy inside.
youtube.com/watch?v=8leadlYztFE
And if you missed this great picture from 1965, you could watch it now if you want.
essexpete:
Franglais:
Carryfast:
essexpete:
Love the Consul ad, very definitely aiming at the
''discerning middle classes"optimistic on the sports car like handling. Just had a look and apparently 47bhp with 0-60 nearly 30 secs!
I don’t get it either.The Consul was always known as being the 4 pot poverty spec option in the day.
6 cylinder Zodiac preferably fitted with Mays head triple carbs and overdrive was the proper fast Ford.
Rivalled by the 6 cylinder BMCs 690/Westminster/6110 all being the default choice of the law.
But a live rear axle went with the territory until the Jag S type and Zodiac MK4 and big Triumphs arrived.
That takes big wide tyres to compensate for the vertical camber turning negative in roll through corners as Mike Hawthorne found out in that fateful meeting with Rob Walker unfortunately.
So laughably optimistic on all counts.“Poverty Spec” ?
Any car was pretty much a luxury item in the50s and even the60s.1950 about 50m population and less than 5m cars.
1960s about 55m pop, about 9m cars at end of decade. Many families in regular work still didn`t have cars.That is very true. At primary school at the end of the 60s, several of my contemporary pupils did not have a car in the family and a large proportion of the women did not drive. The car was male dominated. My Father and Mother often shared driving but I think that came from working in small family businesses where driving was an asset to the business rather than an out and out luxury.
At my school (a Grammar) in Essex/edge of London in the 60’s the posh kids got new cars for 17th birthday presents! I didn’t. For my 16th my dad had helped me build up a new “bitza” Ducati from a cocktail of spares purchased from the dealer, Vic Camp in Walthamstow. But he made me earn them. I loved that bike but it eventually got me expelled!
Whenever I see Michael Gove my school days come flooding back. Not a pleasant experience…
essexpete:
Local livestock haulier in South Essex, E Coe, was hauling off farms before the War. His 3 sons continued the business after his death in the mid 50s.
That TK looks smart. Must have cost a few bob to have that chrome work done
Buzzer:
Buzzer
Thanks for showing that Buzzer, I drove an M.A.N. 16.280 with a column change gearbox, the rego was BFE 155S and it was about two years old when I took it over.
It was bought new from the M.A.N. agents somewhere in Nottinghamshire, whose name escapes me at the moment. It was something like Hempswell or Hempsforth or something like that.
I.I.R.C. their garage was not far from the M1 southbound, it might have been the Mansfield turn off so hopefully Spardo might remember them.
mushroomman:
ParkRoyal2100:
Buzzer:
Argosy (the plane, not the car)?
I think that the answer was at the bottom of Buzzers original photo P.R. it’s a Bristol Freighter.
The Argosy had four engines and from what I remember, they were very, very noisy inside.
youtube.com/watch?v=8leadlYztFE
And if you missed this great picture from 1965, you could watch it now if you want.
Ta for the info, I was reaching. My second guess would’ve been some early thing from Short (like the Skyvan but earlier) but Bristol it is.
I’d go off on a tangent about Bristol (the engineering company), but I mustn’t encourage that sort of thing here… 
Thanks to Buzzer, robthedog, essexpete and mushroomman for the photos also mushroomman for the links
This brings back a sad memory when one of the many times delivering to Hartwells at Hove which meant down the A23 and along the Brighton seafront where one of these XRay units was just getting set up 8.00amish and my trailer mate shouts pull in I’ve got to get myself a scan (wife’s orders) if we come across one of these on our travels so duly done and on our way. Over the next two years he got more poorly(lymph gland cancer) having to give up work and eventually passed away leaving a young wife and two children, he had a twin brother who was unaffected. He was a guy who had no trouble getting to the yard for a 5 o’clock start and enjoyed the job, a good mate and a joker whose glass was always half full. RIP Mel.
Oily
oiltreader:
Thanks to Buzzer, robthedog, essexpete and mushroomman for the photos
This brings back a sad memory when one of the many times delivering to Hartwells at Hove which meant down the A23 and along the Brighton seafront where one of these XRay units was just getting set up 8.00amish and my trailer mate shouts pull in I’ve got to get myself a scan (wife’s orders) if we come across one of these on our travels so duly done and on our way. Over the next two years he got more poorly(lymph gland cancer) having to give up work and eventually passed away leaving a young wife and two children, he had a twin brother who was unaffected. He was a guy who had no trouble getting to the yard for a 5 o’clock start and enjoyed the job, a good mate and a joker whose glass was always half full. RIP Mel.
Oily
Moving tale Oily.
Franglais:
Carryfast:
essexpete:
Love the Consul ad, very definitely aiming at the
''discerning middle classes"I don’t get it either.The Consul was always known as being the 4 pot poverty spec option in the day.
6 cylinder Zodiac preferably fitted with Mays head triple carbs and overdrive was the proper fast Ford.
Rivalled by the 6 cylinder BMCs 690/Westminster/6110 all being the default choice of the law.
But a live rear axle went with the territory until the Jag S type and Zodiac MK4 and big Triumphs arrived.
That takes big wide tyres to compensate for the vertical camber turning negative in roll through corners as Mike Hawthorne found out in that fateful meeting with Rob Walker unfortunately.
So laughably optimistic on all counts.“Poverty Spec” ?
Any car was pretty much a luxury item in the50s and even the60s.1950 about 50m population and less than 5m cars.
1960s about 55m pop, about 9m cars at end of decade. Many families in regular work still didn`t have cars.
The fact that the 6 cylinder Zephyr/Zodiac, among others, existed during the 1950’s and we’re still much coveted in the used car market of the 60’s, says otherwise.
essexpete:
oiltreader:
Thanks to Buzzer, robthedog, essexpete and mushroomman for the photos
This brings back a sad memory when one of the many times delivering to Hartwells at Hove which meant down the A23 and along the Brighton seafront where one of these XRay units was just getting set up 8.00amish and my trailer mate shouts pull in I’ve got to get myself a scan (wife’s orders) if we come across one of these on our travels so duly done and on our way. Over the next two years he got more poorly(lymph gland cancer) having to give up work and eventually passed away leaving a young wife and two children, he had a twin brother who was unaffected. He was a guy who had no trouble getting to the yard for a 5 o’clock start and enjoyed the job, a good mate and a joker whose glass was always half full. RIP Mel.
OilyMoving tale Oily.
Agreed.
Buzzer:
Buzzer
The SA cattle wagon looks as if it’s had crew cab grafted on to a day cab. Either a crew cab for stockmen or a sleeper, then.
Geordielad:
The V8 ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ engine seemed to have mixed success in different companies that ran them, probably depending on the type of operation they were used in, but after two or three years they all turned to the Perkins V8.510 as an option which turned out to be a more reliable engine for road vehicle use. I have read in the past that the original ■■■■■■■ V’s were primarily for marine use which wouldn’t come under the more severe stress under operation as in road vehicle use but they went ahead anyway in fitting them, the V6 especially suffered badly and the likes of GUY who first fitted the Big J’s with these as standard quickly offered other options. I know my Father’s D1000 V8 ■■■■■■■ was a good engine and he had no trouble over the years he had the vehicle, similarly the same engines but with the Chrysler name tag in the 500 Series Dodges also worked well and hard. Also I think we have to remember almost any engine of the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s era’s (apart from the Gardner in many cases) suffered problems with head gasket failure, piston pick up or big end failure (not to mention other faults in the fuel and cooling systems). Company workshops would rarely back then have a spell when a vehicle wasn’t in having some sort of engine repair, unlike recent decades when engine technology and engineering meant they became much more reliable and less prone to faults we had previously, higher powered engines and better drivelines also meant Gross weights (which hadn’t really changed a lot over the years) didn’t cause the same stresses’ as back then. I would say Leyland and AEC suffered much more to their reputation with the Leyland 500 series engines and the AEC V8 than those makers that fitted ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ V’s. Franky.
As others have said, one of the more common (but still relatively uncommon) uses of the V6 was its fitment to PSVs, in particular the Daimler Roadliner. Because it was less than durable in service (and even though ■■■■■■■ had a plant in the UK), many operators swiftly changed their bus chassis orders to Gardner or Leyland power. Speaking of the latter and its 500 series, there’s some interesting info on this thread from years back:
Buzzer:
Buzzer
Hello Buzzer …a great South Wales motor Entress …looks like it is loaded with tomatoes from Weymouth dock …for S J Talbot fruit and veg merchants in Swansea …Geraint .
That OB Commer, looks like he had to keep backing under those sheerlegs to get loaded. 
Spardo:
Interesting to see the 2 Barton lorries. Essentially a bus company, with some very distinctively designed buses, they tried to jump on the Middle East bandwagon when it was in full flow. Was never tempted myself and I don’t think they lasted very long at it.The 2 bus companies that frequently passed our house on the old A 52 between Nottingham and Derby were Bartons and Trent. The Bartons were the first I saw with side opening doors towards the front and had lots of chrome work down the side, whereas Trent were more conventional persisting much longer with open rear platforms. I hear the 2 companies are one now as Trent Barton.
The driver in the middle of the photo is the late Terry Bywater I worked with Terry at Stirlands a great character and work mate
mushroomman:
Buzzer:
Buzzer0
Thanks for showing that Buzzer, I drove an M.A.N. 16.280 with a column change gearbox, the rego was BFE 155S and it was about two years old when I took it over.
It was bought new from the M.A.N. agents somewhere in Nottinghamshire, whose name escapes me at the moment. It was something like Hempswell or Hempsforth or something like that.I.I.R.C. their garage was not far from the M1 southbound, it might have been the Mansfield turn off so hopefully Spardo might remember them.
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Hey mushroom man it was Hempshall cheers Gary
Just going back to Barton Transport I recall that Jack Stirland set up Robin Hood transport after the denationalisation of Road Transport he was BRS Nottingham depot manager
He sold out to Barton Transport hence the Robin Hood logo which stayed on many of the vehicles for some time after
Also Barton Buses had the first road going powered Gardner engine bus it was fitted in a Lancia Bus
gazsa401:
The driver in the middle of the photo is the late Terry Bywater I worked with Terry at Stirlands a great character and work mate.Just going back to Barton Transport I recall that Jack Stirland set up Robin Hood transport after the denationalisation of Road Transport he was BRS Nottingham depot manager
He sold out to Barton Transport hence the Robin Hood logo which stayed on many of the vehicles for some time after
Also Barton Buses had the first road going powered Gardner engine bus it was fitted in a Lancia Bus
Perhaps why I don’t know Terry then, I reckon that photo might have been taken around '74, about the time I was doing my one year stint at Stirlands. BTW the bloke on the left looks like Bobby Charlton.
A useless fact about Bartons is that one of the Barton boys, Paul I think, took up being a swimming instructor. My wife who had always been afraid of the water booked him for one to one lessons at Bramcote baths. She didn’t stay long, his first lesson was to push her in and then she later saw that she was on her own from time to time as he was somewhere else teaching others. A very strange one to one which she had paid extra for. Over 40 years later she still can’t swim. A fact which was obvious one night in Savona when, after her lively 40th birthday party in Umberto’s with a load of other Whitetrux drivers we ended up on the beach at midnight. Fran plunged into the surf, not knowing that there was a shelf not far in. Tony Buckle, whose wife worked at Laser and whose son is on here I think, saw her waving her arms in between each swell and mentioned it to me. I told him not to worry she was just enjoying herself but he wasn’t sure and dived in to pull her to safety. There is a famous poem by Stevie Smith called Not Waving But Drowning, still a favourite of mine. 
gazsa401:
Hey mushroom man it was Hempshall cheers Gary
That was the one, thanks for that Gary.
Whenever somebody mentions the name Bartons of Nottingham, I can’t help but think of this ‘Classic Trucks’ episode where Bartons were mentioned at 11 minutes into the programe.
