oiltreader:
Thanks to Buzzer, Lawrence Dunbar, Suedehead and pyewacket947v for the pics
OilyLivestock wagons mainland Europe all thanks to Peter Schöler for the photos.
Has Smeetrans put a Gardner in that Volvo? 
peterm:
oiltreader:
Thanks to Buzzer, Lawrence Dunbar, Suedehead and pyewacket947v for the pics
OilyLivestock wagons mainland Europe all thanks to Peter Schöler for the photos.
Has Smeetrans put a Gardner in that Volvo?
If they had they wouldnât be the first.
Pete.
Hi Kev, look back to my post Sept 03 2012 when I posted a photo of WHH 397 with details or the link below.
Cheers Leyland 600.
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Suedehead:
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Did not see many ERFs around here on skip duty.
Ray Smyth wrote; are these lorries Fords?
Almost right Ray they were Fordson back then, from 1933-39, Fordson Thames from 1939-57 and then Ford Thames from 1957-65 and not a lot of people know that! The forward control Fordson BBE was the first to appear with the name in 1934, previously Ford commercials had been built at Trafford Park before 1929 and in 1931 they moved to Dagenham on the Thames hence the name which gave the UK built trucks a more British identity. Franky.
Thanks to Ray Smyth and Suedehead for the pic
Hi Suedehead I remember Cooperâs ERFs collecting skip loads of swarf from the Pressed Steel at Cowley.
Alfred Cooper
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Oily
Frankydobo:
Ray Smyth wrote; are these lorries Fords?
Almost right Ray they were Fordson back then, from 1933-39, Fordson Thames from 1939-57 and then Ford Thames from 1957-65 and not a lot of people know that! The forward control Fordson BBE was the first to appear with the name in 1934, previously Ford commercials had been built at Trafford Park before 1929 and in 1931 they moved to Dagenham on the Thames hence the name which gave the UK built trucks a more British identity. Franky.
Franky, Thank you for confirming my almost correct info. I wonder if they had the V8
petrol engine under the bonnet, like the early bonneted Ford Thames had. When I
first started work in 1960 aged 16, I was an apprentice motor vehicle mechanic with
North Western Gas Board, Mersey Group. The large fleet of lorries, vans, & motor-cycles
included many Ford Thames vehicles, the older ones had the V8 petrol engine, some later
ones had a 4 cylinder OHV petrol engine, and the newer ones which were supplied well
into 1961 had the 4D diesel, suitably badged on the radiator grill, after which the 4D & 6D
Thames Traders arrived in the fleet. Cheers, Ray.
Further to my Ford Thames post above, this picture shows the vehicles that were based at
Linacre Lane Gasworks in Bootle, Liverpool, including some Ford Thames artic units. These
lorries had Scammell Hitch couplings. Most of the 25ft trailers were by Brockhouse, some were
flats for delivering bagged coke to customers houses, and also to commercial premises, others
were high sided tipper trailers for deliveries to bulk customers. From memory, I think there were
about 8 large gasworks in the Merseyside area, so I reckon the fleet total was in excess of 300.
I think this picture is from the late 1950s because I dont recall seeing the S-Type Bedford on the right.
Click on picture for full image.
Cheers, Ray
Ray Smyth:
Further to my Ford Thames post above, this picture shows the vehicles that were based at
Linacre Lane Gasworks in Bootle, Liverpool, including some Ford Thames artic units. These
lorries had Scammell Hitch couplings. Most of the 25ft trailers were by Brockhouse, some were
flats for delivering bagged coke to customers houses, and also to commercial premises, others
were high sided tipper trailers for deliveries to bulk customers. From memory, I think there were
about 8 large gasworks in the Merseyside area, so I reckon the fleet total was in excess of 300.
I think this picture is from the late 1950s because I dont recall seeing the S-Type Bedford on the right.
Click on picture for full image.Cheers, Ray
Whatâs the tractor unit next to the S-Type, Ray? My first thought was Bristol but I think they were only BRS and in any case more heavy duty, but I canât enlarge the picture enough for my old eyes. 
Spardo:
Ray Smyth:
Further to my Ford Thames post above, this picture shows the vehicles that were based at
Linacre Lane Gasworks in Bootle, Liverpool, including some Ford Thames artic units. These
lorries had Scammell Hitch couplings. Most of the 25ft trailers were by Brockhouse, some were
flats for delivering bagged coke to customers houses, and also to commercial premises, others
were high sided tipper trailers for deliveries to bulk customers. From memory, I think there were
about 8 large gasworks in the Merseyside area, so I reckon the fleet total was in excess of 300.
I think this picture is from the late 1950s because I dont recall seeing the S-Type Bedford on the right.
Click on picture for full image.Cheers, Ray
Whatâs the tractor unit next to the S-Type, Ray? My first thought was Bristol but I think they were only BRS and in any case more heavy duty, but I canât enlarge the picture enough for my old eyes.
Thatâs the second version of the Morris-Commercial FV cab, the earlier âsuicide doorâ models are in the third row. I used to deliver tarmac to Litherland gas depot at Bootle, there was a low bridge on site between the two yards and the yellow beacon on the cab roof only just cleared it. However the CB twigg didnât, and it used to wake up all the Pigeons roosting in the beams! It was like a scene from the film âThe Birdsâ whenever I went under that bridge! 
Pete.
windrush:
Thatâs the second version of the Morris-Commercial FV cab, the earlier âsuicide doorâ models are in the third row. I used to deliver tarmac to Litherland gas depot at Bootle, there was a low bridge on site between the two yards and the yellow beacon on the cab roof only just cleared it. However the CB twigg didnât, and it used to wake up all the Pigeons roosting in the beams! It was like a scene from the film âThe Birdsâ whenever I went under that bridge!Pete.
Wouldnât have done for me to go under there then. my twin Firesticks were heavy duty fibreglass with the aerial wrapped round them and all covered in pretty white plastic with a red tip. They wouldnât have survived such treatment.
They wouldnât survive the automatic wash here at Gauthierâs either, but fortunately they were screwed to a bracket on the mirror arm for handy removal.
Windrush wrote; Thatâs the second version of the Morris-Commercial FV cab, the earlier âsuicide doorâ models are in the third row.
The older Morris Commercial LD vans had a similar grille but when Morris became part of BMC they got a front end make over to the long low slatted grille but the 5 Ton trucks got the older style pear drop shape grilles of the previous LD van for some reason and named the 5 Ton NC, they in turn later received the low slatted grille that became the norm for BMC trucks. The BMC Truck below shows the grille style. Franky.
Spardo:
Ray Smyth:
Further to my Ford Thames post above, this picture shows the vehicles that were based at
Linacre Lane Gasworks in Bootle, Liverpool, including some Ford Thames artic units. These
lorries had Scammell Hitch couplings. Most of the 25ft trailers were by Brockhouse, some were
flats for delivering bagged coke to customers houses, and also to commercial premises, others
were high sided tipper trailers for deliveries to bulk customers. From memory, I think there were
about 8 large gasworks in the Merseyside area, so I reckon the fleet total was in excess of 300.
I think this picture is from the late 1950s because I dont recall seeing the S-Type Bedford on the right.
Click on picture for full image.Cheers, Ray
Whatâs the tractor unit next to the S-Type, Ray? My first thought was Bristol but I think they were only BRS and in any case more heavy duty, but I canât enlarge the picture enough for my old eyes.
David, The artic unit next to the Bedford was a Morris Commercial. In row 3 are 5 earlier type of Morris Commercial
flat bed lorries . whose cab doors were hinged at the rear. They had a high headboard because the bags of coke were
stacked 2 rows high. A bag of coke was very light in weight, compared with a bag of coal. Cheers, Ray.
Ray Smyth:
Whatâs the tractor unit next to the S-Type, Ray? My first thought was Bristol but I think they were only BRS and in any case more heavy duty, but I canât enlarge the picture enough for my old eyes.
David, The artic unit next to the Bedford was a Morris Commercial. In row 3 are 5 earlier type of Morris Commercial
flat bed lorries . whose cab doors were hinged at the rear. They had a high headboard because the bags of coke were
stacked 2 rows high. A bag of coke was very light in weight, compared with a bag of coal. Cheers, Ray.
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Thanks Ray, I was wondering what Pete meant by suicide doors, I can see that now.
But only 2 stacks with coke? I have a picture in my mind of coalmen arriving with double stacked coal. But it must be from a very very long time ago as I canât remember where (I lived as a child in 4 different cities till 8 years old). 
Spardo:
Ray Smyth:
Whatâs the tractor unit next to the S-Type, Ray? My first thought was Bristol but I think they were only BRS and in any case more heavy duty, but I canât enlarge the picture enough for my old eyes.David, The artic unit next to the Bedford was a Morris Commercial. In row 3 are 5 earlier type of Morris Commercial
flat bed lorries . whose cab doors were hinged at the rear. They had a high headboard because the bags of coke were
stacked 2 rows high. A bag of coke was very light in weight, compared with a bag of coal. Cheers, Ray.
Thanks Ray, I was wondering what Pete meant by suicide doors, I can see that now.
But only 2 stacks with coke? I have a picture in my mind of coalmen arriving with double stacked coal. But it must be from a very very long time ago as I canât remember where (I lived as a child in 4 different cities till 8 years old).
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We used to get the âcokeâ from the gas works at Gateshead for some of our domestic customers.This was late fifties early sixties and it went by the trade name of âGlocoâ We would send one of our own tippers to collect in bulk and stock it in the yard for bagging as and when. At the time nylon bags were just coming onto the scene to replace the old hessian sacks and it was a one size fits all types of fuel.
So a cwt (50kg) of coal would use about 60 % of the bag space. The same weight of 1 inch coke or Sunbrite as it was branded would use about 90% but the Gloco was that light it was a struggle to get half cwt (25kg) into the same size bag.
It was impossible to use the auto bagger to deliver Gloco because of bag size restrictions on the lifting frame. Tyneside
