steve_24v:
This must be why I often see the brakes at 56, ffs
On a similar note, what’s with all this 50/52 running, ridiculous and dangerous
Dangerous ■■? Why
Ridiculous …Not when it gets your MPG up to 10…Sensible I would say
well in my experience, you get worse mpg at 50mph than 56mph.
some companies think they get better mpg because they have trucks running at 50mph but showing 53mph, therefore they think are covering more miles than they actually do.
trucks are set up to do 56mph, they used to be set up to do 60mph. you will find that when we ran at 60mph our rpm was the same as it is now at 56mph.
buck73:
i"ve heard of quite a few drivers being prosecuted for overspeeds recently.
You may have heard drivers claiming they have been prosecuted for an overspeed but they are talking ■■■■■■■■. You get prosecuted for speeding, not overspeeding. The Overspeed warning on a digital tacho is simply an advisory, not an infringement.
Mike-C:
I can’t figure out how this overspeed things works. When ours where limited at about 55mph, then when you went over 55mph for whatever the timescale is then it flashed ‘overspeed’. This i understood. Now ours are limited to 50mph, i still need to go over 55mph for it to register an overspeed ?
the digital tachograph as i set speed in the memory and if you go over the speed for more than a minute it will register an overspeed, on the door of you truck there should be a plate to say what the speed as been set to and that what it will go buy
Digital Tachograph Overspeed Setting
The value for the “overspeed” setting is programmed into the digital tachograph at the time of calibration and is that shown on the speed limiter plaque in the cab. The purpose of the “overspeed” recording is to determine the instances when the vehicle has travelled at speeds in excess of its authorised speed. Therefore, should vehicles be found where the “overspeed” value is set at a higher value than the speed limiter plaque, so long as that overspeed value is less than or the same as the maximum allowable speed for that vehicle, no prohibition or other action should be taken, for example:-
plaque speed = 85 kph
overspeed = 90kph - maximum allowable speed for vehicle according to legislation = 90kph
i have worked it out that it operates on 30 second increment so i count to thirty and by the time i have got to 25 seconds i hold back and brake back to wear the limiter has been set and wait until my ride speeds up again
steve_24v:
On a similar note, what’s with all this 50/52 running, ridiculous and dangerous
Not that I’d want to be limited to 50/52 but why is it dangerous ?
You know why, due to all the overtaking, particularly on duals.
I do have some sympathy for car drivers caught up in all the pulling out/slowing down, they slam on and we know what happens next. I run the A34 all week and while most are prepared to drop a bit for their sanity, few are prepared to run at 50 - not even through the roadworks
buck73:
i"ve heard of quite a few drivers being prosecuted for overspeeds recently.
You may have heard drivers claiming they have been prosecuted for an overspeed but they are talking ■■■■■■■■. You get prosecuted for speeding, not overspeeding. The Overspeed warning on a digital tacho is simply an advisory, not an infringement.
so to clarify(and this was the way i understood it),if you overspeed but do not exceed 60mph on a motorway,you cannot be prosecuted?.if you go over 60,you can be done for speeding?.if that is true ,can a digi readout be used as evidence in court?.
my truck registers an overspeed if it exceeds the limiter for 1 min+.
ROG:
buck73:
i"ve heard of quite a few drivers being prosecuted for overspeeds recently.
What is the specific charge for that
I know there is one for going over the legal speed limit but I do not know of one for going over a set limiter speed
overspeed so i was told rog.a certain big transporter firm in scotland,with their own garages apparently their drivers are getting done?i will try to find out more info this week in more detail.
buck73:
can a digi readout be used as evidence in court?.
Not on it’s own but could be used to back up other evidence if the judge deems it ok - I assume you are referring to a general one off speeding charge
Tacho evidence can be used on it’s own as proved by one case where constant speeding was being reported by residents in an area where there were no 40+ roads for LGV within a 20 min radius from a haulage base - tachos showed 40+ being done within 10 mins of that base by many drivers on a regular basis and they got done for it in court - I think they went back over the last 6 months of tachos only.
If anyone can find a link to this then I would appreciate it as many do not believe this is possible.
I’m fairly sure it was in Cambridgeshire but cannot be certain.
steve_24v:
On a similar note, what’s with all this 50/52 running, ridiculous and dangerous
Not that I’d want to be limited to 50/52 but why is it dangerous ?
You know why, due to all the overtaking, particularly on duals.
I do have some sympathy for car drivers caught up in all the pulling out/slowing down, they slam on and we know what happens next. I run the A34 all week and while most are prepared to drop a bit for their sanity, few are prepared to run at 50 - not even through the roadworks
The point is that cars can go faster than us,so they see overtaking as a right,nothing wrong with that.Now say I can go faster than you? I also see overtaking as a right. It just takes me a while,
that’s secondary ROG. the constant speeding had been reported. therefore the tacho records could be used to back up the complaint.
and i expect the police would have used speed camera evidence to secure a conviction.
but they wouldn’t be able to prosecute from a roadside check.
limeyphil:
that’s secondary ROG. the constant speeding had been reported. therefore the tacho records could be used to back up the complaint.
and i expect the police would have used speed camera evidence to secure a conviction.
but they wouldn’t be able to prosecute from a roadside check.
To bring about a prosecution for speeding ,evidence must be produced showing:
*the speed at which the vehicle was travelling (which the chart confirms)
*the time at which the vehicle was travelling at the alleged speed (which the chart also confirms)
*the precise location at which the vehicle was travelling at the alleged speed (which the chart does not show)
That is why drivers will not be prosecuted for speeding on the basis of tachograph chart readings alone.
buck73:
overspeed so i was told rog.a certain big transporter firm in scotland,with their own garages apparently their drivers are getting done?i will try to find out more info this week in more detail.
You will probably get an answer along the lines of they were done for speeding under the Construction and Use regulations. That is the usual nonsense which is quoted when this myth rears its head. It is not legally possible to be done for speeding under C&U regulations.
Lucy:
One of our NVQ trainer/assessor blokes reckons you get prosecuted for “Exceeding the limited speed of the vehicle”…
Yep, that’s the one they come out with, total fabricated offence. How the hell do some of these trainers get their jobs when they peddle bull crap like this and that other favourite - “You must have 30 minutes at 6 hours”. Do they ever actually read the regulations they train people on, it appears they don’t.
Ask him if, in his case, NVQ stands for No Valid Qualifications. Failing that just tell him he is an idiot.
How the hell do some of these trainers get their jobs when they peddle bull crap like this and that other favourite - “You must have 30 minutes at 6 hours”. Do they ever actually read the regulations they train people on, it appears they don’t. 