We had a Rumanian driver at are place recently who drove around yard to find his trailer. Having found it he then flagged down as shunter and asked him to couple trailer for him has he did not know how to do it, writhing 10mins he was escorted off site.so all this is not racist ■■■■ most of it is fact.
robroy:
Darkside:
I would suggest the standard of driving/work ethic is a lot worse amongst ex squaddies than EE drivers.Only going on what I have witnessed over the last 20 or so years.
I love the generalisation comments, and the leanings towards stereotypes on this forum.
I’m shaven headed and ALL shaven headed guys are ■■■ Gods…fact.
Not at all I was trying to say the myth on here that EE drivers are crap and UK ones is indeed that, a myth. I wasn’t saying all ex squaddies are bad, just that I have had more bother off one than the other.
The bulk of the damage and general ■■■■ poor attitude where I work is down to the home grown talent, this is a fact.
You can’t really make a sweeping statement about EE drivers and say they are generally worse than UK drivers when this is simply not true, if I were to run my own trucks which I wouldn’t but if I did and I had the pick of all the drivers I know from all over Europe and beyond, the bulk of my drivers wouldn’t have English as their first language.
That’s a real shame, just goes to show how this industry has gone to the dogs with statements like that.
msgyorkie:
robroy:
Awful aint it?and it’s ALL of them as you say.
Especially as by the same token, ALL Brit drivers are equally efficient experts in a truck, …as we all see everyday.Your missing my point Rob…yes we have always had the idiots but have we really sunken so low that we need to import them as well?
‘Import them’? Its an open border, they have as much right to a job in the UK as any other driver no matter the nationality…
Dave wj:
so all this is not racist [zb] most of it is fact.
Based on your experience of one person?
Well I ended up on the bay next to the one I was aiming for once… it was only once, honest. 
what gets me about the EE drivers is when they are on in industrial estate they drive up the road about 8 miles an hour and
you can’'t get past em,i mean bloody hell , would they do that in their own country or are they just too busy watching a dvd on a massive laptop wearing flip flops
Is this actually a dozy style thread or are some people that contribute really as thick as they make out?
happysack:
Is this actually a dozy style thread or are some people that contribute really as thick as they make out?
Sadly mate, I reckon it’s the latter option. 
There are a few EE drivers at another depot of the co. I work for.
Afaik they are on the same rate as me. (granted which is nothing to write home about ) some would maybe say (and have done ) that they are keeping the rate down for the rest, which is ■■■■■■■■ as they are a very small percentage.
They are just a usual cross section of drivers, one is a right arrogant 2at who I would love to deck 
, Another aint the best of drivers but no worse than some of the rivets that are Brits who are employed there.
The others are just run of the mill drivers.
One at left a few months ago was a bloody good lad,.a good driver and a good worker.
I see a lot of anti foreign attitudes, on here and on the road.
This star artist passed me in the M6/M5 tailback this morning, he had a sticker on his n/s cab window ‘‘Fairtrade transport, an English driver’’… he obviously wasn’t the sharpest knife in the rack, as it should have read ‘‘British driver’’ to put across his point more accurately.
(incidentally while we were moving at about 20 to 30 mph he was sat alongside me texting ffs. , so much for ‘‘English’’ drivers being so much better eh? )
I genuinely think in many cases, (maybe not all btw) it’s just out and out racism with a lot of drivers.
Just look back in history the ultimate racist crimes start with gang mentality, everyone spouting the same crap,… regardless of truth or accuracy, then have a read some of the posts on this forum. 
I aint suggesting for one minute that it’s comparable with 30s Germany, but that is how that all started as a catalyst, and what things can lead to.
A bit ott admittedlly, but you see my point.
Its not just us Brits, I saw a Dutch wagon with one of those in his window when I stopped at Trowell for a 45 earlier in the week.
What you have to worry about is 10 years from now. When all the EE drivers have gone elsewhere, because this country may well be right on it’s arse, and they will be earning elsewhere. (Some Poles have already gone).
What the hell will the driving be like then?
Why is it everyone is so frightened that they feel they have to be politically correct nowadays. Our politicians have ■■■■■■ this industry up and supermarkets have driven down prices to the point that suppliers are actually losing money. It isn’t the EE drivers fault, this is not been racist in the least. Yes some EE drivers are good and some are not so good, that isn’t the point. The point is there is a severe lack of training to new entrants and we don’t have the skill set in this country and the numbers that we need to shake the industry up. Unfortunately EE drivers at the moment will be in demand as long as this situation continues. There is no incentive for young people to become lorry drivers nowadays, poor conditions, poor wages, long hours, periods away from home, no social life, expensive licence acquisition etc, etc. I wouldn’t want my kids to become drivers now. So what is left, an endless supply of EE drivers to fill the gaps that our own home grown cannot or will not fulfill. What would happen if there was no EE drivers to fill the gap? I believe better wages, more incentive to enter the profession, younger drivers eager and willing to train. Understand that this has nothing to do with racism or EE hatred. Its about pure economics and a better future for our industry in general. Look at the coal industry and how that fell due to cheaper EE imported coal, look at our fishing industry and how that has collapsed, ours is no different in the current state we find it.
It would be interesting to know the percentage of EE drivers working for British firms, I may be talking through my arse here (yeh, ok, I know no change there then 
) but I would like to bet there are not as many as some like to believe.
These guys are just doing the same as we did in the 80s/90s when we chased the Guilder in Holland, at a far better rate than the UK.
And I remember a lot of Brits on left hookers for the first time…stand back. 
That is very true, they are doing no different from what we did in Holland. So where is the incentive for an EE driver to work here, money, the money they earn working here although the same rate as ours gives them a much better standard of living than we have. EE drivers look at the job as a real career, we don’t, they get better incentives all round therefore they try harder to become a lorry driver. Its an easier option than for them to try to become a doctor which I know most of the Romanian drivers are earning more by being a lorry driver. Remember in this country when barristers were becoming plumbers because of the skills shortage and high earnings to be had ? If we had a real driver shortage and no EE drivers we may see a similar scenario or at the very least a bigger incentive to our own.
UKtramp:
Why is it everyone is so frightened that they feel they have to be politically correct nowadays. Our politicians have [zb] this industry up and supermarkets have driven down prices to the point that suppliers are actually losing money. It isn’t the EE drivers fault, this is not been racist in the least. Yes some EE drivers are good and some are not so good, that isn’t the point. The point is there is a severe lack of training to new entrants and we don’t have the skill set in this country and the numbers that we need to shake the industry up. Unfortunately EE drivers at the moment will be in demand as long as this situation continues. There is no incentive for young people to become lorry drivers nowadays, poor conditions, poor wages, long hours, periods away from home, no social life, expensive licence acquisition etc, etc. I wouldn’t want my kids to become drivers now. So what is left, an endless supply of EE drivers to fill the gaps that our own home grown cannot or will not fulfill. What would happen if there was no EE drivers to fill the gap? I believe better wages, more incentive to enter the profession, younger drivers eager and willing to train. Understand that this has nothing to do with racism or EE hatred. Its about pure economics and a better future for our industry in general. Look at the coal industry and how that fell due to cheaper EE imported coal, look at our fishing industry and how that has collapsed, ours is no different in the current state we find it.[/quote
Anyone can hate WE drivers,moaning about wages.But now most commercial,industrial job in Egland paid just between national minimum wages and some 12 pound per hour.But class one job newer will be high paid because now it is easy,clean job.But young people wiĺl not go to driving because it problem with start time.To many driver must start early morning.But I don t think who he or him wide will happy if neeg go to work at 1 am for any big or super big money.Plus young people prefer another job but no industrial.
i always chuckle when i overhear “is it a wawg?” when theres aggro such as a parking incident/ rukkus on the street
Andrejs:
Anyone can hate WE drivers,moaning about wages.But now most commercial,industrial job in Egland paid just between national minimum wages and some 12 pound per hour.But class one job newer will be high paid because now it is easy,clean job.But young people wiĺl not go to driving because it problem with start time.To many driver must start early morning.But I don t think who he or him wide will happy if neeg go to work at 1 am for any big or super big money.Plus young people prefer another job but no industrial.
You have made some valid points Andrejs all of which I pointed out in my post, if the wages were higher and good money could be earned, it would become a real career option as it is for the EE drivers. The real reason why the EE drivers often have a better outlook to the job than our own drivers have is because there is a bigger incentive. If we could get the same professional outlook and financial gain then we may get better drivers ourselves. Nothing personal against EE drivers in the slightest, they are simply doing what any of us would do. If I could double my wages by driving a Romanian lorry, I would be there in a flash.
