Hi all could you please help me on this matter, well it is big matter matter for me.
I have a full time(40 hrs. a week) job which gives me two rest days in a week. Those rest days may be two single days or two days together in a working week. I desperately want to find(probably will be through agency) a part time driving job(C+E) to get further experience as I gained my C+E licence recently. I’m aware of working time directive and driving hours (max 90hrs. fortnightly),45hrs rest period in a week and can be reduced to 24 to be compensated…Also I know that I need keep records of my other work.How can I combine driving hours and my 40hrs. other work? Would regulations count those 40hrs. as part of fortnightly driving hours?? Or if I find a driving job, even one day in a fortnight have got enough hours to drive in this single day??
Does my situation seems manageable in terms of all the driving regulations? My regular job some weeks can be following five days; can I drive on following sixth and seventh days?If I drive sixth and seventh, following day I must go to my other work.Or is driving one single day when I had my two rest days together from my other work possible? Even if I can drive legally one day in every two weeks it will be beneficial for me until I can find a permanent driving job with a bit of luck ,obviously as everyplace including agencies prefer experienced drivers.I don’t understand that how new licence holders will take place in the industry at all!■■
If could we discuss this matter , it will be appreciated, many thanks!
Welcome to Trucknet-UK SILKROAD 
Without knowing exactly what hours you work in your regular job it’s not possible to say how many days you could legally drive an LGTV vehicle.
You don’t say what your regular job is so I’m going to assume that it’s nothing to do with road transport in which case it will certainly not count as driving time, only actual driving time in LGV vehicles counts as driving time for the EU regulations.
However in weeks that you drive to EU regulations your usual work will count as “other work” and should be recorded as such.
In any week that you drive to EU regulations you must adhere to the weekly rest requirements so it’s likely that you would be able to drive for one day every other week, as I said without knowing your usual start and finish times I can’t be exact but one day a fortnight is how it usually works out for people doing full time work in another industry.
In weeks when you have two unconnected days rest you may still be able to do one day’s driving as long as you can meet the weekly rest requirements ie 24/45 consecutive hours rest no later than 144 hours from the end of your last weekly rest period.
tachograph:
Welcome to Trucknet-UK SILKROAD
Without knowing exactly what hours you work in your regular job it’s not possible to say how many days you could legally drive an LGTV vehicle.
You don’t say what your regular job is so I’m going to assume that it’s nothing to do with road transport in which case it will certainly not count as driving time, only actual driving time in LGV vehicles counts as driving time for the EU regulations.
However in weeks that you drive to EU regulations your usual work will count as “other work” and should be recorded as such.
In any week that you drive to EU regulations you must adhere to the weekly rest requirements so it’s likely that you would be able to drive for one day every other week, as I said without knowing your usual start and finish times I can’t be exact but one day a fortnight is how it usually works out for people doing full time work in another industry.
In weeks when you have two unconnected days rest you may still be able to do one day’s driving as long as you can meet the weekly rest requirements ie 24/45 consecutive hours rest no later than 144 hours from the end of your last weekly rest period.
Hi Tachograph
Thanks for kindly welcoming and valuable answer!
I work in fix hours,from 3 p.m. to 11p.m.in my work days including 1/2 hour break inside this eight hours period which leaves 7 1/2 hrs. actual working hours. in my other(40 contracted hrs.) full time job. This job is nothing to do with road transport and I only drive to work in commuting purpose.I don’t think that 40 hrs. other work or 40-2 1/2 = 371/2 hrs. would make a difference to my available driving hours, wouldn’t it?
So, I understand from your answer that I can drive least one day in every other week. This day’s driving can be maximum 10hrs.driving or maximum total 15hrs. with other work in my case.If I’m wrong can you please correct me?
If I say that if I reduce one day from my main full time job I can gain another day to do driving job, can’t I?
Many thanks! I needed this discussion for some time!
SILKROAD:
Hi Tachograph
Thanks for kindly welcoming and valuable answer!
You’re welcome 
SILKROAD:
I work in fix hours,from 3 p.m. to 11p.m.in my work days including 1/2 hour break inside this eight hours period which leaves 7 1/2 hrs. actual working hours. in my other(40 contracted hrs.) full time job. This job is nothing to do with road transport and I only drive to work in commuting purpose.I don’t think that 40 hrs. other work or 40-2 1/2 = 371/2 hrs. would make a difference to my available driving hours, wouldn’t it?
The work you do in your regular job would be classed and should be booked as “other work”, and no it will not affect your available driving hours.
In weeks when you drive in-scope of EU regulations the days when you do not drive ie when you’re at your regular employment should be recorded on tachograph charts or printouts, for none driving days you only need to record the start and finish times and include the date and your signature.
This is just so it can be checked that you’ve had the required daily rest on days that you drive and the required weekly rest period.
SILKROAD:
So, I understand from your answer that I can drive least one day in every other week. This day’s driving can be maximum 10hrs.driving or maximum total 15hrs. with other work in my case.If I’m wrong can you please correct me?
That’s correct
SILKROAD:
If I say that if I reduce one day from my main full time job I can gain another day to do driving job, can’t I?
If in any week you were to work only 4 days/evenings you should be able to do 2 days driving.
Be careful about your weekly rest periods in weeks when you drive, if you start the weeks work say on a Monday at 15:00 and finish the last shift of your regular job at 23:00 Friday, you could work Saturday or Sunday but would need to be finished by 15:00 Sunday, you cannot legally go over six 24 hour periods (144 hours) from the start of the working week.
SILKROAD:
Many thanks! I needed this discussion for some time!
You’re welcome, feel free to ask if there’s anything you’re not sure of and good luck
Sorry to hi-jack this thread guys but the subject is of interest to me. I work offshore and drive lorries from time to time when I’m home to keep the hand in (and I enjoy it!) When I’m offshore I do 12 hour shifts, 7 days a week so that’s 84 hours per week and 168 hours for the fortnight. Taking into account break times it’s really 140 hours. The offshore oil industry have an agreement with the government that the Working Time Directive does not apply to them, how they got round it I do not know, but many companies would have to give their workforce more leave and take more people on if they did comply (bit of a bone of contention in the north sea.) The firm I drive for at home have WTD logsheets for the drivers to fill in so does that mean if VOSA see that I’ve worked X amount of hours in the previous week then they have to ignore those hours as they are outwith the WTD?
I was once stopped by the commissioners and they noticed I came home from offshore the previous week. I think I’d been home for 4 days and this would have been my second day driving. He asked if I was suitably rested, I said yes and no more was said on the matter. I’m a bit concerned another commissioner sees it differently. What would the penalty be if I was over my WTD hours (not driving hours)?
dave75:
I was once stopped by the commissioners and they noticed I came home from offshore the previous week. I think I’d been home for 4 days and this would have been my second day driving. He asked if I was suitably rested, I said yes and no more was said on the matter. I’m a bit concerned another commissioner sees it differently. What would the penalty be if I was over my WTD hours (not driving hours)?
As mobile workers we work to the Road Transport Working Time Regulations 2005, the work you do offshore is exempt from the working time regulations but wouldn’t come under the RT(WT)R 2005 anyway so does not count towards your working time for the RT(WT)R 2005.
In other words, in your case only the work you do as a driver counts for the working time regulations, the work you do offshore does not count so you’re not likely to be over your hours
You should however remember that in any week that you drive in-scope of EU regulations you should comply with the daily and weekly rest requirements.
Thanks very much tachograph, I appreciate it.