Anderson’s from Westerhope. I can remember the 86’s leading out of Hawthorn quarry, this would be 1969/70.Probably more so during the miner’s holiday’s?
We can remember a shale heap that we think was owned by Hargreaves at Haswell (early to mid sixties) Ron can remember leading shale down to Sheraton when they were constructing the new A19 and further afield down to Middlesboro’. The shale was used extensively as a sub base on roads and housing right thro’ till the mid sixties until they realised it was causing land “heave”. A lot of houses in Seaham, built after the war were constructed on shale (mine included) Anyway among the wagon’s leading from there were 2 of Lenny Lincoln’s T.K’s and possibly wagon’s belonging to Wingate Haulage? and maybe Barnfather’s?
There was no weighbridge, so all the wagon’s leading out had to have calibrated bodies. The average 4 wheeler would have a calibrated body of 8 cubic yards.Ron’s Trader (193 PT) was a long wheelbase with a high wooden body (the top of the body was the same height as the top of the cab) and would be about 11 cubic yards? but was’nt calibrated(it was’nt best suited to fit under the hopper’s at Warden Law either!). So each load was written down as 9 cubic yards until Ron was “tipped off” that the “weights and measures” were hanging around the delivery address. A wide berth was quickly enforced!
Another Hargreaves “capture” was the Shotton Brick Company( Hargreaves seem to have had finger’s in a lot of pies at the time?). Ron was doing some “time work” moving clay around the Shotton site in the middle of winter and a lot of time was spent waiting about. The Trader had no cab heating and even removing the engine cover with the motor running made no difference! He say’s it’s the coldest he’s ever been! Shotton Brick Company had a couple of “S” type Bedford’s.
Hann and Newby…just going back to the sand off Harlepool beaches i can remember these motor’s running around the area and out of Sherburn Hill. Apparently they had 2 Trader 6 wheeler’s that were quite rare at the time? Ron seems to think they moved onto the “D” series Ford’s later?
Just another quick reference to Lincoln haulage. When we moved contract from Hargreaves to Hawthorn Aggregates (about “69”) Lenny had 4 motor’s leading out of there.
2 Seddon’s…Lenny Baige and Alan Lamb (Lamby)
1 Dodge…Chris Hayes (Kitty) He was a mechanic for Lenny until he got his licence.
1 TK…Arty Wilson
(all 4 wheeler’s)
I" jumped ship" briefly one day and had a ride out with Lamby in his Seddon…JESUS!..frightened the brown stuff out of me…he did’nt half motor 
Hi Paulycats
Andersons did a lot of coal around the area from pits to washers etc so,yes, when the pits were on holiday you would find them in various different locations. In the seventies when a lot of building was going around Washington they did some timeout hire for us.
I remember we led shale from one of the old pit heaps down onto the A19 but can’t remember if it was for Hargreaves. I do remember an Irish outfit being involved somewhere along the line and when the loads / quantities were reconciled a few tickets were found with my Dad’s car registration number on. They had him down as doing about 7 loads a day on a Saturday and Sunday in a Vauxhall Viscount !
Hann & Newby have had a few mentions earlier in this thread. They were based at South Shields and I remember them running SWB TK,s.
Cheers Tyneside
tyneside:
Hi Paulycats
Andersons did a lot of coal around the area from pits to washers etc so,yes, when the pits were on holiday you would find them in various different locations. In the seventies when a lot of building was going around Washington they did some timeout hire for us.
I remember we led shale from one of the old pit heaps down onto the A19 but can’t remember if it was for Hargreaves. I do remember an Irish outfit being involved somewhere along the line and when the loads / quantities were reconciled a few tickets were found with my Dad’s car registration number on. They had him down as doing about 7 loads a day on a Saturday and Sunday in a Vauxhall Viscount !
Hann & Newby have had a few mentions earlier in this thread. They were based at South Shields and I remember them running SWB TK,s.
Cheers Tyneside
I get quite annoyed when the grankids leave sweet packets/bits of crisps etc. lying in the back seats of the car. Imagine having to hoover out lumps of shale
I reckon the Viscount would have been a nice car too. 
Would that be the Viscount with the straight 6, 3 litre engine? Now that WOULD do 7 loads a day
Apparently Hargreaves contracted a lot of the coal from the colliery wagonway’s when they were dug up around the Durham area?
I’m sure i remember (i might have already mentioned) some of your wagon’s running out of Hawthorn? Would this be correct? Or am i thinking of leading out of Hargreaves quarries?
Regards Ian.
paulycats:
tyneside:
Hi Paulycats
Andersons did a lot of coal around the area from pits to washers etc so,yes, when the pits were on holiday you would find them in various different locations. In the seventies when a lot of building was going around Washington they did some timeout hire for us.
I remember we led shale from one of the old pit heaps down onto the A19 but can’t remember if it was for Hargreaves. I do remember an Irish outfit being involved somewhere along the line and when the loads / quantities were reconciled a few tickets were found with my Dad’s car registration number on. They had him down as doing about 7 loads a day on a Saturday and Sunday in a Vauxhall Viscount !
Hann & Newby have had a few mentions earlier in this thread. They were based at South Shields and I remember them running SWB TK,s.
Cheers TynesideI get quite annoyed when the grankids leave sweet packets/bits of crisps etc. lying in the back seats of the car. Imagine having to hoover out lumps of shale
I reckon the Viscount would have been a nice car too.
Apparently Hargreaves contracted a lot of the coal from the colliery wagonway’s when they were dug up around the Durham area?
I’m sure i remember (i might have already mentioned) some of your wagon’s running out of Hawthorn? Would this be correct? Or am i thinking of leading out of Hargreaves quarries?
Regards Ian.
Hi Paulycats
Yes it was the 3 litre with IIRC a GM 3 speed auto box. It was bought new from A&G in 1966 reg no KVK 710D, it was the first car I had seen with electric Windows and I think my Dad got change out of £1800.00. We still had it when I passed my driving test ( learned on a 1950’s Land Rover ) and I had use of it. The kick down was pretty impressive. The car previous to the Viscount was an Austin reg no 884 TBB. That was the Cambridge shape but was classed as Vanden PLas coach work. Dad got when it was a year old and the interior was superb.
I am not sure about Hawthorn Quarry, we did a lot for Hargreaves but at the time we would have about 20 tippers and so we would do something out of most quarries around the area, the main one being Springwell
There was also Scrap for Ossleton’s Gateshead, Coal and coke for Clark Taylor and the open cast and drift coal.
As a youngster the school holidays were usually spent with the cattle wagons around the local marts except at Christmas when it was the domestic coal rounds.
Cheers Tyneside
Our Bedford’s had given us good service. The two “J” types had performed well with very little major concern’s and the TK was heading in the same direction. The one annoyance with the TK was the transmission handbrake. (bad idea?)
So when the time comes to make a change, another TK seems to be a good candidate to take on. Dad and Ron travel down to London to view a TK advertised but it falls short of what’s required. However there is a Commer 2 stroke with good history.
I’ts been used to lead sand into London on a daily basis,during the night and has had little strenuous work.Seems to be a good fit and the sale is done. The Commer is delivered on “plates” the next day.
This would be the wagon that gave my brother his “deafness” Anyone who has had the pleasure of hearing this 2 stroke diesel working, will describe the same emotion. FANTASTIQUE!!! It’ surely a man thing?
VOY 222 would be driven by Ron, Joe Blayden and a lad called Eddie Culpin. Eddie was more used to driving plant equipment, so it was no surprise that when negotiating Eagle Hall bank,loaded, (Easington dog track is at the Southern end) he selected reverse gear, when aiming for 2nd.
Oh Dear!!..Even a new gearbox would soon be spat out! George Wright from Easington Lane (who ran Commer’s) bought VOY 222 from us and tried to correct the problem but without success. What a shame…such a lovely (noisy) motor with character, Gone but not forgotten 
Lawrence Dunbar:
paulycats:
Lawrence Dunbar:
Hi paulycats, Can you remember this firm, Regards Larry.Hi Larry. At the very moment RCN 391 was on the weighbridge at West Cornforth, on the 26th Feb 74, i was in Bordon, Hampshire, serving with the R.E.M.E. as a mechanic. However as a coincidence about a year later i did do a repair on the cooling system of dad’s AEC Marshall 6 wheeler (PPT 17M) while on leave, in that very same quarry. I think i replaced the rad. fan and maybe thermostat?. Our Ron would/should know more about W.Barker & Co than i do. I’ll ask him.
Regards Ian.p.s Unbelievable you still have copies of weigh tickets from that far back!!
Well its a hobby of mine, This wagon RCN 391 Was an Ex Ryton Sand & Gravel Motor, In fact there is an old no plate still in Lowdons Garage at Seaton Burn, The driver at that time was Curtis Ford, Cawthorns the Albion Dealers sold it to Lowdons, Regards Larry.
Hi paulycats, Heres a picture of the old No plate RCN 391, Still on the Garage wall covered in Cobwebs Regards Larry.
Lawrence Dunbar:
0Lawrence Dunbar:
paulycats:
Lawrence Dunbar:
1Hi paulycats, Can you remember this firm, Regards Larry.Hi Larry. At the very moment RCN 391 was on the weighbridge at West Cornforth, on the 26th Feb 74, i was in Bordon, Hampshire, serving with the R.E.M.E. as a mechanic. However as a coincidence about a year later i did do a repair on the cooling system of dad’s AEC Marshall 6 wheeler (PPT 17M) while on leave, in that very same quarry. I think i replaced the rad. fan and maybe thermostat?. Our Ron would/should know more about W.Barker & Co than i do. I’ll ask him.
Regards Ian.p.s Unbelievable you still have copies of weigh tickets from that far back!!
Well its a hobby of mine, This wagon RCN 391 Was an Ex Ryton Sand & Gravel Motor, In fact there is an old no plate still in Lowdons Garage at Seaton Burn, The driver at that time was Curtis Ford, Cawthorns the Albion Dealers sold it to Lowdons, Regards Larry.
Hi paulycats, Heres a picture of the old No plate RCN 391, Still on the Garage wall covered in Cobwebs
Hi Larry, I bet you wish you still had the “bigger bit” that was screwed to the back of it! 
Curtis Ford sounds like an American film star
Just been looking at some pictures of two ERF units owned by a firm Called Robson of Hexham they are blue and white with red chassis parked in Primrose Coaches yard and was just wondering did this firm have many wagons as until seeing the pics i cannot ever recall seeing them out on the roads i have seen lots of Robsons of Carlisle but not these two motors one is a F reg and the other a J reg.
TTB:
Just been looking at some pictures of two ERF units owned by a firm Called Robson of Hexham they are blue and white with red chassis parked in Primrose Coaches yard and was just wondering did this firm have many wagons as until seeing the pics i cannot ever recall seeing them out on the roads i have seen lots of Robsons of Carlisle but not these two motors one is a F reg and the other a J reg.
Hi “TTB”, I new John Robson very well he had a tipper running out of Moot Law Quarry in the 70s He went on to build his family business up with his two sons, Sadley he passed away some years ago, And as far as I know one of his sons runs one artic , But in the Manchester area IIRC, Regards Larry.
Lawrence Dunbar:
TTB:
Just been looking at some pictures of two ERF units owned by a firm Called Robson of Hexham they are blue and white with red chassis parked in Primrose Coaches yard and was just wondering did this firm have many wagons as until seeing the pics i cannot ever recall seeing them out on the roads i have seen lots of Robsons of Carlisle but not these two motors one is a F reg and the other a J reg.Hi “TTB”, I new John Robson very well he had a tipper running out of Moot Law Quarry in the 70s He went on to build his family business up with his two sons, Sadley he passed away some years ago, And as far as I know one of his sons runs one artic , But in the Manchester area IIRC, Regards Larry.
Cheers Larry for the info i used to get to Hexham quite a lot when my pal used to take cement out of Eastgate to a builders merchant i may have seen them but thats years ago when my friends used to run 111s and a Chinese Six ERF as i say the J reg one looks as if in its day it would be quite a motor that was supplied by Eden Commercials
Lawrence Dunbar:
0Lawrence Dunbar:
paulycats:
Lawrence Dunbar:
1Hi paulycats, Can you remember this firm, Regards Larry.Hi Larry. At the very moment RCN 391 was on the weighbridge at West Cornforth, on the 26th Feb 74, i was in Bordon, Hampshire, serving with the R.E.M.E. as a mechanic. However as a coincidence about a year later i did do a repair on the cooling system of dad’s AEC Marshall 6 wheeler (PPT 17M) while on leave, in that very same quarry. I think i replaced the rad. fan and maybe thermostat?. Our Ron would/should know more about W.Barker & Co than i do. I’ll ask him.
Regards Ian.p.s Unbelievable you still have copies of weigh tickets from that far back!!
Well its a hobby of mine, This wagon RCN 391 Was an Ex Ryton Sand & Gravel Motor, In fact there is an old no plate still in Lowdons Garage at Seaton Burn, The driver at that time was Curtis Ford, Cawthorns the Albion Dealers sold it to Lowdons, Regards Larry.
Hi paulycats, Heres a picture of the old No plate RCN 391, Still on the Garage wall covered in Cobwebs
It does appear to have escaped a smattering of swallow guano though.
I can remember in the early 60’s passing Andersons garage in Westerhope, their fleet then was mostly Leyland’s, some Comets with the bonneted cab, and others with the ‘mouth organ grille’ cab. In later years, Anderson’s were a regular sight on the Spine Road, I think they were leading coal from Ashington to Stella Power Station, using Albion’s with the LAD cab, some were four wheelers and some were six wheel Reivers. One Reiver that seemed to soldier on for a long time had a distinctive Reg. No.— YNL 7. (probably worth good money now for this Reg.!)
forster:
I can remember in the early 60’s passing Andersons garage in Westerhope, their fleet then was mostly Leyland’s, some Comets with the bonneted cab, and others with the ‘mouth organ grille’ cab. In later years, Anderson’s were a regular sight on the Spine Road, I think they were leading coal from Ashington to Stella Power Station, using Albion’s with the LAD cab, some were four wheelers and some were six wheel Reivers. One Reiver that seemed to soldier on for a long time had a distinctive Reg. No.— YNL 7. (probably worth good money now for this Reg.!)
Hi “forster” IIRC This Riever was restored by two fitters & was at Armstrongs Garage in Prestwick for a time, I don’t know what happened to it when it was taken away from there, It would be nice to think it was still about, Regards Larry.
Our next motor was a second hand Trader, bought from F (Frank?) Dixon Jnr? , Boldon Colliery, reg no. BNL 949B. This wagon was to remain in it’s original colour of red. She had been used to transport tarmac and would be about three years old (1967) and a shorter wheelbase ( steel bodied) than our first Trader. Ron’s everlasting memory of this Trader would be (bliss!) power steering She was used mainly to lead out of Warden Law and proved to be another good motor. The only problem would be an electrical fault on the 2 speed Eaton axle which was no more than a nuisance.We would run this motor for about 2 years, until we moved to Hawthorn Aggregates and dad sold it for £50 to the quarry, for quarry work.
Going back to Shadforth quarry, we think this was owned (at that time) by Allison’s?
Seaham Haulage. We can remember 3 driver’s. Jake Robertson,Jacky Rowell (Gary’s dad) and Walter Newton.
Thomas Brother’s. We’ve already mentioned the original 3 brother’s (Harry,Larry and Edward) We are fairly sure their first motor was a 4 wheeled Dodge. Apparently Ron say’s that they bought a few ex. Ready Mix Concrete, Albion 6 wheeler’s and Larry built/fitted tipper bodies to these. Their first new motor was a Leyland Super Comet followed by 3 or 4?, 8 wheeled Scammels before they moved from Mary Street garage in Seaham up to Murton.
At this time the work with Hargreaves was beginning to slow down, especially out of Warden Law. We were lucky to get 2 or 3 loads a day at times, while other hauliers were leading out of the Darlington area(Hargreaves) quarries up to the Newcastle/Sunderland area and picking up return loads (out of Warden Law/Sherburn) to Teeside. Another example of “taking the mick” was Hargreaves paying 10 bob (shillings) a ton from Sherburn Hill up to Cow Green reservoir, a job which would only give you 2 loads a day at most and usually involved being pulled or pushed off the site because you were bogged down in the clay. The dozer driver’s were’nt particular about which part of the wagon they pushed against!
It was at this time that dad bought our first Leyland, the Super Comet from Cawthorn’s. Reg no. BUP 593G painted in the new colours of Hargreaves,orange.This would be August 68. Cawthorn’s had been wanting dad to take delivery in June/July but Ron wanted the G reg!
Another lad from Seaham, Ronnie Brown, bought a Super Comet just before us and his was an F reg painted in the same colour’s.
The change of allegiance (Hargreaves to Hawthorn Aggregates) and another new motor to follow.
I think the Cow Green episode was the turning point for the change from Hargreaves to Hawthorn Aggregates. Ron was fuming about the downturn in work and the rates Hargreaves were paying.Hawthorn quarry was attracting a lot of work, so we made enquiries and made the change.From 10 shillings per ton, 2 loads per day, Sherburn to Cow Green, to 7 shillings and 6 pence per ton, 7 loads a day , Hawthorn to Birtley 
You do the maths
The hauliers of the North East must have been in agreement too! I bet nearly every tipper owner in the North East ran a load out of Hawthorn at some point.This was bonanza time for sub base limestone. Construction of the new A19 and upgrading of the A1 were in full swing.
It would be on the back of this that we bought another new motor.UTN 661G a Ford DT 1400 from Patterson’s of Newcastle,6 wheeler.(i don’t think there were many of these about around here at this time?) We can’t remember why dad bought a Ford after just purchasing a Leyland, other than the price must have been very competitive?
This was powered by the Ford 360 Turbo and gave great pulling performance but only a top speed of 50 mph. A really good comfortable ride and great turbo whistle More on this and a list of hauliers we can remember in Hawthorn.
Frank Dixon, I think was running a D series 6 wheeler in the late sixties and used to get into Springwell Quarry. I seem to remember he then had a Volvo unit with a low loader trailer but then just vanished off the scene. Both of the motors were a cream colour. Tyneside
tyneside:
Frank Dixon, I think was running a D series 6 wheeler in the late sixties and used to get into Springwell Quarry. I seem to remember he then had a Volvo unit with a low loader trailer but then just vanished off the scene. Both of the motors were a cream colour. Tyneside
I used to work for a f Dixon had a yard behind boldon station he ran 4 bedford km tippers they were maroon no signage he also had a grey one use to run out of tarmac jarrow his brother had a albion tipper same coulars this was late sixties dont know if it same guy he had a moustash and wore glasses not the essayist of blokes to get on with did not stay long . heed