having a discussion with another driver & TM about this
Most of or vehicles are hire motors & work “out of scope” do we need an “O” licence displayed 
as they dont have them
Depends what you mean by out of scope. Vehicles over 3.5t used for commercial purposes on UK roads need an O Licence.
There are very few vehicles over 3.5t used in this manner, or operations that use them, which are exempt from O licensing.
Coffeeholic:
Depends what you mean by out of scope. Vehicles over 3.5t used for commercial purposes on UK roads need an O Licence.There are very few vehicles over 3.5t used in this manner, or operations that use them, which are exempt from O licensing.
Yes but only drive around Nissan ( on DHL contract) so not on the public road
animal:
having a discussion with another driver & TM about thisMost of or vehicles are hire motors & work “out of scope” do we need an “O” licence displayed
Here’s my 2p worth… 
GVLOA 1995 s.2(1) [which deals with the obligation to hold an operator’s licence.]
2.–(1) Subject to subsection (2) and section 4, no person shall use a goods vehicle on a road for the carriage of goods–
(a) for hire or reward, or
(b) for or in connection with any trade or business carried on by him,except under a licence issued under this Act; and in this Act such a licence is referred to as an “operator’s licence”.
From the info given, it seems that whether an ‘O’ licence is needed depends on whether the vehicles go on the “road.”
Here’s what is to be counted as a “road.”
GVLOA 1995 s.58(1) [Which deals with ‘interpretation.’]
“road”–
(a) in relation to England and Wales, means any highway and any other road to which the public has access, and includes bridges over which a road passes; and
(b) in relation to Scotland, has the same meaning as in the [1984 c. 54.] Roads (Scotland) Act 1984;
So, do the vehicles operate on a “road to which the public have access?”
Maybe the question of whether the premises count as a “road to which the public have access” is one for the local police to answer before anybody can come to a conclusion under GVLOA 1995 as to whether an ‘O’ licence is needed, or not. Just a thought. 
animal:
Coffeeholic:
Depends what you mean by out of scope. Vehicles over 3.5t used for commercial purposes on UK roads need an O Licence.There are very few vehicles over 3.5t used in this manner, or operations that use them, which are exempt from O licensing.
Yes but only drive around Nissan ( on DHL contract) so not on the public road
In that case, and assuming the area isn’t classed as a road, then I would say they do not need an O Licence. That’s only my guess though so could be way out.
dieseldave:
animal:
having a discussion with another driver & TM about thisMost of or vehicles are hire motors & work “out of scope” do we need an “O” licence displayed
Here’s my 2p worth…
GVLOA 1995 s.2(1) [which deals with the obligation to hold an operator’s licence.]
2.–(1) Subject to subsection (2) and section 4, no person shall use a goods vehicle on a road for the carriage of goods–
(a) for hire or reward, or
(b) for or in connection with any trade or business carried on by him,except under a licence issued under this Act; and in this Act such a licence is referred to as an “operator’s licence”.
From the info given, it seems that whether an ‘O’ licence is needed depends on whether the vehicles go on the “road.”
Here’s what is to be counted as a “road.”
GVLOA 1995 s.58(1) [Which deals with ‘interpretation.’]
“road”–
(a) in relation to England and Wales, means any highway and any other road to which the public has access, and includes bridges over which a road passes; and
(b) in relation to Scotland, has the same meaning as in the [1984 c. 54.] Roads (Scotland) Act 1984;So, do the vehicles operate on a “road to which the public have access?”
animal:
Coffeeholic:
Depends what you mean by out of scope. Vehicles over 3.5t used for commercial purposes on UK roads need an O Licence.There are very few vehicles over 3.5t used in this manner, or operations that use them, which are exempt from O licensing.
animal:
Yes but only drive around Nissan ( on DHL contract) **so not on the public road[/**quote]Not on a public roads & no access to public as it is private roads
dieseldave:
That sounds like the key point but I’d be inclined to use a source more reliable than the “local police” though 
mrpj:
dieseldave:
That sounds like the key point but I’d be inclined to use a source more reliable than the “local police” though
You have a very fair point there mrpj!!
If the road is officially designated as private, then it would seem that no ‘O’ licence is needed.
This is a private road no access to public as I have stated please read
No O licence required.
Apart from it being private roads they are exempt in the same way as dock spotters and RDC depot shunters, {EDIT}although some dock spotters may be taxed to use public roads
Wheel Nut:
No O licence required.Apart from it being private roads they are exempt in the same way as dock spotters and RDC depot shunters, {EDIT}although some dock spotters may be taxed to use public roads
That is what I thought but the TM & other driver say we need an “O” licence displayed although they do have tax due to being on hire