Carryfast:
Winseer:
…Essentially a Warehouse Worker that does HGV driving for around 20% of their daily duties?^ This is why the EE’s really went home and it’s the future of the UK anything but ‘road transport industry’.
You really sure about that? Surely they would have gone home long before the period 2016-2021 if that were the case seeing as they have been here since 2004. Now let me think what happened between 2016 & 2021 
tmcassett:
Carryfast:
Winseer:
…Essentially a Warehouse Worker that does HGV driving for around 20% of their daily duties?^ This is why the EE’s really went home and it’s the future of the UK anything but ‘road transport industry’.
You really sure about that? Surely they would have gone home long before the period 2016-2021 if that were the case seeing as they have been here since 2004. Now let me think what happened between 2016 & 2021
2016-21 They were all told if they are here then they can stay.They left voluntarily they weren’t deported.
Whereas the plan for rail and by implication finishing the job of trashing the road transport industry in favour of rail as part of that, was published in May and the government had made no secret of its commitment to its content before that and much of its proposals already well under way in shifting freight from road to rail.Taking the quality trunking type work with it and leaving the distribution type crap.
The same government which was elected in 2017.
To add.
theguardian.com/business/202 … n-problems
As opposed to the truth that even crisps are in as short supply on its shelves as anywhere else all blamed on the same truck driver shortage.
The same drivers that it wants to take off the road to put its products on rail, obviously to take advantage of rail freight fuel tax breaks.
Drivers who have walked away before they are employed on ‘other duties’ when they aren’t shunting vehicles a few miles up the road or in the yard.
Carryfast:
Winseer:
Carryfast:
Winseer:
…Essentially a Warehouse Worker that does HGV driving for around 20% of their daily duties?^ This is why the EE’s really went home and it’s the future of the UK anything but ‘road transport industry’.
I remember one night about 2 years ago, we were all grounded that night, and sent to report to “De Kit” for our flat shifts, all us agency bods - and the EE’s promptly booked off, despite them “not gonna get paid” for doing so.
It was a Sunday night shift @ £18ph so I stayed there, thinking “Yep, I don’t mind pushing a broom around for one night to nail this premium shift…”
I wouldn’t want to do that every night, for sure… But FFS - you’d think the EE’s would put up with a bit of stick for just the one single night, and at premium rate earnings and all!
It depends if your idea of being employed as a ‘driver’ includes however many shifts pushing a broom or warehouse work.Or in fact anything where ‘other duties’ outweigh driving at any wage.
Especially when all you’ve got to do is go back home to cheaper living costs, among your native language and culture, driving a truck on distance work around Europe ( so far ).
If you read the adverts closely between the lines the clear suggestion is the need to work with warehouse/store ‘colleagues’ away from the driving role environment, also induction includes driving and/or inside work ‘assessments’.Why ?.
It would be interesting to read their contract as to any definitions regarding any ‘other reasonable duties’ required.
Bearing in mind that the unions are on board and on message with the anti road transport agenda.
I happen to like driving, and am dyslexic (I struggle to read handwriting) so I struggle with things like paperwork jobs, hence I’ve never bothered going management over the years, despite holding relevant qualifications to do so. At the end of the day, ANY job is about “What you’d be prepared to do - to earn the rate in your contract”.
Now on here for example, there are a lot of drivers who don’t like agencies, don’t like supermarkets, and don’t like zero hours contracts.
Those three things alone are enough to push Agency rates on ZHC at Supermarkets - ever higher.
Thus, to answer the original thread - Tescos can get all the drivers they ever want - by paying the going rate.
That’s what they, and other supermarkets on the whole - are doing though - isn’t it?
Where are the sharp wage rises OUTSIDE of those three areas I’ve lined up there?
General Haulage jobs on a Permanent directly-employed full time contract? - NOT available at double NMW and upwards rates - are they?
If I turn up for work therefore, on a ZHC at a tip-top hourly rate - then I get the choice of “doing something else” or “being sent home unpaid” for a refusal. Unless I’m asked to do something illegal or dangerous - I’ll usually comply for the shift at least, but if there is a quick repeat of “being grounded” - I’ll be looking for a different agency/client to work for in future.
tmcassett:
Carryfast:
Winseer:
…Essentially a Warehouse Worker that does HGV driving for around 20% of their daily duties?^ This is why the EE’s really went home and it’s the future of the UK anything but ‘road transport industry’.
You really sure about that? Surely they would have gone home long before the period 2016-2021 if that were the case seeing as they have been here since 2004. Now let me think what happened between 2016 & 2021
Maybe they were already simmering, and the changes to IR35 was the last straw?
Winseer:
tmcassett:
Carryfast:
Winseer:
…Essentially a Warehouse Worker that does HGV driving for around 20% of their daily duties?^ This is why the EE’s really went home and it’s the future of the UK anything but ‘road transport industry’.
You really sure about that? Surely they would have gone home long before the period 2016-2021 if that were the case seeing as they have been here since 2004. Now let me think what happened between 2016 & 2021
Maybe they were already simmering, and the changes to IR35 was the last straw?
I voted remain but even I believe that IR35 was the bugger catalyst. Don’t get me wrong, some will have gone home due to Brexit, some will have gone home due to Covid, some will have gone anyway, but I honestly believe the biggest factor was the change to IR35.
There`s NO mention of Driver in the job description, simply a “computer error” 
lolipop:
There`s NO mention of Driver in the job description, simply a “computer error”
Th3res either going to be some disappointed warehouse bods who think they’re in £13ph+ or some disappointed truckers who will walk once it’s explained its actually not driving and is instead a warehouse job
toonsy:
lolipop:
There`s NO mention of Driver in the job description, simply a “computer error” [emoji38] [emoji38]Th3res either going to be some disappointed warehouse bods who think they’re in £13ph+ or some disappointed truckers who will walk once it’s explained its actually not driving and is instead a warehouse job [emoji38]
Why would warehouse bods be disappointed? £13.63 for them is genuine.
Not sure about £100k though? Take a look at this great job I found on the reed.co.uk app.
reedonline.app.link/lNeHfaUc4kb
More realistic
Take a look at this great job I found on the reed.co.uk app.
reedonline.app.link/ETlDnM2c4kb
If links don’t work, first is £10k- £100k salary, £2Grand sign on!! Second is £13.95-£17.06ph. both warehouse in Avonmouth.
They are all struggling to get Warehouse workers, not just a shortage of LGV drivers.
stu675:
toonsy:
lolipop:
There`s NO mention of Driver in the job description, simply a “computer error” [emoji38] [emoji38]Th3res either going to be some disappointed warehouse bods who think they’re in £13ph+ or some disappointed truckers who will walk once it’s explained its actually not driving and is instead a warehouse job [emoji38]
Why would warehouse bods be disappointed? £13.63 for them is genuine.
Not sure about £100k though? Take a look at this great job I found on the reed.co.uk app.
reedonline.app.link/lNeHfaUc4kbMore realistic
Take a look at this great job I found on the reed.co.uk app.
reedonline.app.link/ETlDnM2c4kbIf links don’t work, first is £10k- £100k salary, £2Grand sign on!! Second is £13.95-£17.06ph. both warehouse in Avonmouth.
Is it genuinely £13.63 for the warehouse?
If so I’m looking into what it is at my place and I’ll drop my keys and jump into a freezer suit instead!
lolipop:
There`s NO mention of Driver in the job description, simply a “computer error”
I reckon there are rather too many firms around who see Drivers as “Computer Errors” - some inanimate object that unfortunnately (for them…) HAS to be replaced by this flesh-and-blood character that can drive a vehicle when a computer program - cannot.
Unless and until HGV licence holders that also happen to be qualified computer programmers like me - get offered triple-digits per hour to do that job. 
Winseer:
lolipop:
There`s NO mention of Driver in the job description, simply a “computer error”I reckon there are rather too many firms around who see Drivers as “Computer Errors” - some inanimate object that unfortunnately (for them…) HAS to be replaced by this flesh-and-blood character that can drive a vehicle when a computer program - cannot.
Unless and until HGV licence holders that also happen to be qualified computer programmers like me - get offered triple-digits per hour to do that job.
Oh another one who can do a job earning multiples of what a HGV driver (even a “premium rate” type agency driver) yet… doesn’t…
Incidentally I reckon a half decent computer programmer wouldn’t balls up simple forum BBCode 
Winseer:
I happen to like driving, and am dyslexic (I struggle to read handwriting) so I struggle with things like paperwork jobs, hence I’ve never bothered going management over the years, despite holding relevant qualifications to do so. At the end of the day, ANY job is about “What you’d be prepared to do - to earn the rate in your contract”.Now on here for example, there are a lot of drivers who don’t like agencies, don’t like supermarkets, and don’t like zero hours contracts.
Those three things alone are enough to push Agency rates on ZHC at Supermarkets - ever higher.
Thus, to answer the original thread - Tescos can get all the drivers they ever want - by paying the going rate.
That’s what they, and other supermarkets on the whole - are doing though - isn’t it?Where are the sharp wage rises OUTSIDE of those three areas I’ve lined up there?
General Haulage jobs on a Permanent directly-employed full time contract? - NOT available at double NMW and upwards rates - are they?
If I turn up for work therefore, on a ZHC at a tip-top hourly rate - then I get the choice of “doing something else” or “being sent home unpaid” for a refusal. Unless I’m asked to do something illegal or dangerous - I’ll usually comply for the shift at least, but if there is a quick repeat of “being grounded” - I’ll be looking for a different agency/client to work for in future.
Which is all fine until you reach the point where all the different agencies and clients are all offering the same thing.
With the distance/trunking sector having been deliberately taken out and put on rail that just leaves local distribution work and the resulting downtime which then forms most of the job doing something else.
In the knowledge that warehouse staff are going to be a key ingredient in this brave new rail freight dominated transport industry and labour market conveniently combined with much less need for drivers to be out on the road moving stuff around the country.
So rather than walk away for no pay and instead of pushing a broom etc etc the EE’s went home to do the job of driving trucks.
Until the rail freight coup also wrecks their own respective road transport industries.
While it’s clear that is what has happened in the case of Tesco at least.
Where the move to rail freight has clearly had an effect on the quality of work it has to offer ‘drivers’.
It’s job adverts make it as clear, as they dare to make it without setting the alarm bells off, that the driving role is secondary to ‘other duties’.
Covered up by the laughable propaganda that moving the stuff on rail, instead of by truck, was a good thing to circumvent the driver shortage which was actually caused by doing so.
In addition to the lies that it’s shelves aren’t as empty of stock as every other supermarket as a result.
The government’s plan for rail is clearly what’s behind all this turmoil and the degenerating anything but road transport industry.
Drivers generally get a class 1 because of the perception of the doors it opens to better quality distance trunking work.
Work which the government wants to take out of the frame and put on rail.
Ironically as proved beyond doubt by Tesco.
Sixties boy:
They are all struggling to get Warehouse workers, not just a shortage of LGV drivers.
That’s moved on to struggling to get drivers who are also prepared to be warehouse workers because the decent driving work has been given to a few train drivers.
toonsy:
Winseer:
lolipop:
There`s NO mention of Driver in the job description, simply a “computer error”I reckon there are rather too many firms around who see Drivers as “Computer Errors” - some inanimate object that unfortunnately (for them…) HAS to be replaced by this flesh-and-blood character that can drive a vehicle when a computer program - cannot.
Unless and until HGV licence holders that also happen to be qualified computer programmers like me - get offered triple-digits per hour to do that job.
Oh another one who can do a job earning multiples of what a HGV driver (even a “premium rate” type agency driver) yet… doesn’t…
Incidentally I reckon a half decent computer programmer wouldn’t balls up simple forum BBCode
FFS - I make a rare typo in formatting, and you’re all over me? - Seriously?
On the other hand, if I don’t talk about what I do for work, then people like yourself cannot turn up there and bugger up my entire life by telling tales to acting management - can they?
mike68:
Speaking from experience I’d avoid the place at all costs.
Speaking from experience I enjoyed working at Tesco Avonmouth
It’s just laziness on Tesco part. They simply use one job description for any warehouse jobs and a different one for Store jobs. Been looking for van jobs and often driving isn’t included at all in description just a standard store job