harrawaffa:
For an agency bod you seem to be very well informed on the inner workings of this (imaginary) company.
Just started trading, just got the lorry, just applied for O licence.
Overweight, tacho not downloading, dodgy ball joint, no O licence and they let you on your merry way? Not a chance.
You get parked for having a bulb out never mind that list of major issues.
It’s not that complicated. I’m a reasonably friendly person - so when I am being loaded I speak to the owner. He tells me how long he’s been trading - and how it’s going.
And I’m not sure if you have ever been stopped by the DVSA - it doesn’t seem so from your post. They actually give you a written copy of your weight. And explain what it is. Here is what one looks like: on the left the nice helpful DVSA man wrote down the axle limits they would prosecute me at:
They also give you paperwork for all the defects - and you have to sign them. They keep two copies and give you one. The dvsa man will explain all the problems before they let you go. But you don’t go on your merry way - you get what’s called a ‘deferred prohibition’. Which means the company has a certain amount of time to get it fixed and present it for inspection. I don’t have this paperwork as obviously I gave it to the vehicle owner.
Same for the o licence issue. The dvsa man will explain it to you. And tell you it’s up to you and the company if you drive. You can ask questions like ‘whats the come back on me if I do?’ And they will say - none it’s an issue for the company and you won’t be fined for it.
Parked up for a light out… not a chance. That is the sort of rubbish you have picked up from reading stuff on here. I know this as I had two side markers out. That’s not even a deferred prohibition - it’s just an advisory notice. You need to stop believing the horror stories about the dvsa - on my single interaction with me they were not interested in parking up vehicles and seemed more keen to educate me than take me of the road/fine me.
Edit - I am going to take a stab in the dark and assume that some of the people who claim that the vehicle would be impounded for lack of o license probably haven’t dealt with the issue. I asked as I felt bad for the owner - who is a sound bloke who I want to see succeed. But the idea that they park you up for trivial things is ridiculous.
It seems that some of the forum troll hunters and resident experts in all things haulage are incorrect:
The Government propose to allow VOSA, in certain circumstances, such as where it may be a first offence and a prosecution may be more appropriate than impounding, to return the detained vehicle to its owner without the need for an application to the Traffic Commissioner.
sammym:
Parked up for a light out… not a chance. That is the sort of rubbish you have picked up from reading stuff on here. I know this as I had two side markers out. That’s not even a deferred prohibition - it’s just an advisory notice. You need to stop believing the horror stories about the dvsa - on my single interaction with me they were not interested in parking up vehicles and seemed more keen to educate me than take me of the road/fine me.
Have a look at IM63 to IM67 of the categorisation of defects. See what kind of prohibition you’ll receive for bulbs out. I’m talking from experience not what I’ve read on here.
sammym:
It seems that some of the forum troll hunters and resident experts in all things haulage are incorrect:
The Government propose to allow VOSA, in certain circumstances, such as where it may be a first offence and a prosecution may be more appropriate than impounding, to return the detained vehicle to its owner without the need for an application to the Traffic Commissioner.
sammym:
It seems that some of the forum troll hunters and resident experts in all things haulage are incorrect:
The Government propose to allow VOSA, in certain circumstances, such as where it may be a first offence and a prosecution may be more appropriate than impounding, to return the detained vehicle to its owner without the need for an application to the Traffic Commissioner.
Have a lookhere things may have changed since 2009
The could have. But given I was stopped yesterday and told the company would be reported for the offence - I don’t think they have. The link talks a lot about ‘could be impounded’ which is different to ‘will be impounded’. I’m sure a foreign registered vehicle is more likely to be impounded than a uk one where they can easily prosecute. The dvsa guy went into some detail - saying he’d checked and an application was in, but that as it’s not granted it shouldn’t be operating. He also said the owner had told him they’d applied for a temporary operators licence - but that isn’t showing when he called someone.
Now I could be making this all up. To what end I don’t know. I think I asked a relatively innocuous question, which is what the punishment is. If that’s some people idea of a wind up they need to get out more.
Really the only way this will be settled is if a vosa/dvsa bod piped up and gives their opinion. That’s unlikely to happen because of the abuse they would get, and also because they would probably rather people think their vehicles will be seized rather being allowed on their way to do the delivery (at the risk of another tug and being reported again).
The could have. But given I was stopped yesterday and told the company would be reported for the offence - I don’t think they have. The link talks a lot about ‘could be impounded’ which is different to ‘will be impounded’. I’m sure a foreign registered vehicle is more likely to be impounded than a uk one where they can easily prosecute. The dvsa guy went into some detail - saying he’d checked and an application was in, but that as it’s not granted it shouldn’t be operating. He also said the owner had told him they’d applied for a temporary operators licence - but that isn’t showing when he called someone.
Now I could be making this all up. To what end I don’t know. I think I asked a relatively innocuous question, which is what the punishment is. If that’s some people idea of a wind up they need to get out more.
Really the only way this will be settled is if a vosa/dvsa bod piped up and gives their opinion. That’s unlikely to happen because of the abuse they would get, and also because they would probably rather people think their vehicles will be seized rather being allowed on their way to do the delivery (at the risk of another tug and being reported again).
Just on the operator licence thing :-
If your boss has been granted an interim licence, he will have an interim licence number. The vehicle discs do not take long to arrive in my experience, several days at most but if he specified that vehicle in his application, which you can, then it would automatically be added to the DVSA system under that interim licence number.
If he has not been granted an interim licence and he is operating a truck, which as you say has got stopped by DVSA, then I would have thought it very unusual for that information not to get back to the traffic commisioners. He is then unlikely to get his interim without explaining himself to the traffic commisioners (many on here call it tea and biscuits, amongst other things). There are case reports in the trade press of this happening regularly ie not getting the actual licence / having the interim licence withdrawn / being told to go away and not come back after jumping the gun and operating without a licence.
Regarding the punishment, for your boss it might be not getting his licence granted. For you, as a short term agency(?) driver that reasonably assumed the company had an operators licence, probably nothing.
PS I do not work for DVSA but have made several licence applications in the past.
harrawaffa:
For an agency bod you seem to be very well informed on the inner workings of this (imaginary) company.
Just started trading, just got the lorry, just applied for O licence.
Overweight, tacho not downloading, dodgy ball joint, no O licence and they let you on your merry way? Not a chance.
You get parked for having a bulb out never mind that list of major issues.
It’s not that complicated. I’m a reasonably friendly person - so when I am being loaded I speak to the owner. He tells me how long he’s been trading - and how it’s going.
And I’m not sure if you have ever been stopped by the DVSA - it doesn’t seem so from your post. They actually give you a written copy of your weight. And explain what it is. Here is what one looks like: on the left the nice helpful DVSA man wrote down the axle limits they would prosecute me at:
They also give you paperwork for all the defects - and you have to sign them. They keep two copies and give you one. The dvsa man will explain all the problems before they let you go. But you don’t go on your merry way - you get what’s called a ‘deferred prohibition’. Which means the company has a certain amount of time to get it fixed and present it for inspection. I don’t have this paperwork as obviously I gave it to the vehicle owner.
Same for the o licence issue. The dvsa man will explain it to you. And tell you it’s up to you and the company if you drive. You can ask questions like ‘whats the come back on me if I do?’ And they will say - none it’s an issue for the company and you won’t be fined for it.
Parked up for a light out… not a chance. That is the sort of rubbish you have picked up from reading stuff on here. I know this as I had two side markers out. That’s not even a deferred prohibition - it’s just an advisory notice. You need to stop believing the horror stories about the dvsa - on my single interaction with me they were not interested in parking up vehicles and seemed more keen to educate me than take me of the road/fine me.
Edit - I am going to take a stab in the dark and assume that some of the people who claim that the vehicle would be impounded for lack of o license probably haven’t dealt with the issue. I asked as I felt bad for the owner - who is a sound bloke who I want to see succeed. But the idea that they park you up for trivial things is ridiculous.
You have either completely misunderstood what the “nice DVSA” man has told you or he has told you wrong.
They have not fined you because :-
You have an overload on the gross weight of 4.4% (330kg on 7500kg) They only issue penalties above 5%
Those scribbled figures 3400 and 5000 are the maximum allowable axle weights for the front and rear axles of your 7500kg truck. They add up to more than 7500kg to allow you to unevenly load the vehicle. You are below both of those so no offence committed for axle loading. If, for example, that rear axle weight had been 5000 then your axle weights would have been OK, but you would have had a gross weight overload of 410kg or 5.5%. They might well have given you a ticket for that (that’s you personally).
As long as there is a margin, you can hire a lorry for a month without an o licence. I know with electronic systems you could probably print the screen when you apply.
Maybe there is slight movement in the ball joint and it’s advisable to get it changed. If they have managed to sign a printout, they must have been able to download it, maybe they checked the display and decided there wasn’t a problem.
sammym:
But it’s turns out thet don’t have a o licence but have applied for it. Dvsa said they’d be reported for it.
Do you mean they have applied for a disc for that vehicle but not got one in the windscreen yet as you the driver don’t need to worry about that.
How long can drive new truck without o licence truck???Any problem for drivers if Visa stop.I drive now new truck with company use 4 week.Company have o licence.
harrawaffa:
For an agency bod you seem to be very well informed on the inner workings of this (imaginary) company.
Just started trading, just got the lorry, just applied for O licence.
Overweight, tacho not downloading, dodgy ball joint, no O licence and they let you on your merry way? Not a chance.
You get parked for having a bulb out never mind that list of major issues.
It’s not that complicated. I’m a reasonably friendly person - so when I am being loaded I speak to the owner. He tells me how long he’s been trading - and how it’s going.
And I’m not sure if you have ever been stopped by the DVSA - it doesn’t seem so from your post. They actually give you a written copy of your weight. And explain what it is. Here is what one looks like: on the left the nice helpful DVSA man wrote down the axle limits they would prosecute me at:
They also give you paperwork for all the defects - and you have to sign them. They keep two copies and give you one. The dvsa man will explain all the problems before they let you go. But you don’t go on your merry way - you get what’s called a ‘deferred prohibition’. Which means the company has a certain amount of time to get it fixed and present it for inspection. I don’t have this paperwork as obviously I gave it to the vehicle owner.
Same for the o licence issue. The dvsa man will explain it to you. And tell you it’s up to you and the company if you drive. You can ask questions like ‘whats the come back on me if I do?’ And they will say - none it’s an issue for the company and you won’t be fined for it.
Parked up for a light out… not a chance. That is the sort of rubbish you have picked up from reading stuff on here. I know this as I had two side markers out. That’s not even a deferred prohibition - it’s just an advisory notice. You need to stop believing the horror stories about the dvsa - on my single interaction with me they were not interested in parking up vehicles and seemed more keen to educate me than take me of the road/fine me.
Edit - I am going to take a stab in the dark and assume that some of the people who claim that the vehicle would be impounded for lack of o license probably haven’t dealt with the issue. I asked as I felt bad for the owner - who is a sound bloke who I want to see succeed. But the idea that they park you up for trivial things is ridiculous.
You have either completely misunderstood what the “nice DVSA” man has told you or he has told you wrong.
They have not fined you because :-
You have an overload on the gross weight of 4.4% (330kg on 7500kg) They only issue penalties above 5%
Those scribbled figures 3400 and 5000 are the maximum allowable axle weights for the front and rear axles of your 7500kg truck. They add up to more than 7500kg to allow you to unevenly load the vehicle. You are below both of those so no offence committed for axle loading. If, for example, that rear axle weight had been 5000 then your axle weights would have been OK, but you would have had a gross weight overload of 410kg or 5.5%. They might well have given you a ticket for that (that’s you personally).
sammym:
The could have. But given I was stopped yesterday and told the company would be reported for the offence - I don’t think they have. The link talks a lot about ‘could be impounded’ which is different to ‘will be impounded’. I’m sure a foreign registered vehicle is more likely to be impounded than a uk one where they can easily prosecute. The dvsa guy went into some detail - saying he’d checked and an application was in, but that as it’s not granted it shouldn’t be operating. He also said the owner had told him they’d applied for a temporary operators licence - but that isn’t showing when he called someone.
Now I could be making this all up. To what end I don’t know. I think I asked a relatively innocuous question, which is what the punishment is. If that’s some people idea of a wind up they need to get out more.
Really the only way this will be settled is if a vosa/dvsa bod piped up and gives their opinion. That’s unlikely to happen because of the abuse they would get, and also because they would probably rather people think their vehicles will be seized rather being allowed on their way to do the delivery (at the risk of another tug and being reported again).
So what was yesterdays date? Does it match the date on the form given to you by the nice DVSA person, which you have posted?
What conclusion would Poirotts little grey cells come to?
sammym:
The could have. But given I was stopped yesterday and told the company would be reported for the offence - I don’t think they have. The link talks a lot about ‘could be impounded’ which is different to ‘will be impounded’. I’m sure a foreign registered vehicle is more likely to be impounded than a uk one where they can easily prosecute. The dvsa guy went into some detail - saying he’d checked and an application was in, but that as it’s not granted it shouldn’t be operating. He also said the owner had told him they’d applied for a temporary operators licence - but that isn’t showing when he called someone.
Now I could be making this all up. To what end I don’t know. I think I asked a relatively innocuous question, which is what the punishment is. If that’s some people idea of a wind up they need to get out more.
Really the only way this will be settled is if a vosa/dvsa bod piped up and gives their opinion. That’s unlikely to happen because of the abuse they would get, and also because they would probably rather people think their vehicles will be seized rather being allowed on their way to do the delivery (at the risk of another tug and being reported again).
So what was yesterdays date? Does it match the date on the form given to you by the nice DVSA person, which you have posted?
What conclusion would Poirotts little grey cells come to?
sammym:
The could have. But given I was stopped yesterday and told the company would be reported for the offence - I don’t think they have. The link talks a lot about ‘could be impounded’ which is different to ‘will be impounded’. I’m sure a foreign registered vehicle is more likely to be impounded than a uk one where they can easily prosecute. The dvsa guy went into some detail - saying he’d checked and an application was in, but that as it’s not granted it shouldn’t be operating. He also said the owner had told him they’d applied for a temporary operators licence - but that isn’t showing when he called someone.
Now I could be making this all up. To what end I don’t know. I think I asked a relatively innocuous question, which is what the punishment is. If that’s some people idea of a wind up they need to get out more.
Really the only way this will be settled is if a vosa/dvsa bod piped up and gives their opinion. That’s unlikely to happen because of the abuse they would get, and also because they would probably rather people think their vehicles will be seized rather being allowed on their way to do the delivery (at the risk of another tug and being reported again).
So what was yesterdays date? Does it match the date on the form given to you by the nice DVSA person, which you have posted?
What conclusion would Poirotts little grey cells come to?
What are you on about?
I don’t often agree or go with a lot of what Sammym posts but I have to back him up here Wiretwister, you need to page back to see when he actually posted that DVLA notice.
I think you’ll find it was on February 28th 2018, the "DAY AFTER the date on the notice !!!
