Robertthegreat:
We are on a ten hour rule at the moment due to pay talks. But its ten hours in a 24 hour period. So whats happening is when you have a rest/break 15/30/45.
At the end of that break/rest. It starts another 24 hour period. So if you have six breaks in a working shift you have six 24 hour periods. So if you start work at
00.00 and have a 15 minute break at 3 am you have to make sure on your next day/night shift that you have a break before or on the same time as your prevous shift to close that 24 hour period. Thats the way we have been told to do it by RHA who monitor our hours .
Breaks do not restart a 24 hour period
Rest restarts a new 24 hour period foe EU tacho regs
Rest does not restart a new 24 hours for the WTD regs
rob22888:
Is there ANY night job out there that actually adheres to the 10 hour rule & drivers haven’t opted out?
Seems to me like the ruling is a total farce because employees, as a matter of course, are essentially forced to opt out of it when signing up for a job whether they like it or not.
The drivers on nights Montgomery transport in NI adhere to the WTD 10hr rule.
Robertthegreat:
We are on a ten hour rule at the moment due to pay talks. But its ten hours in a 24 hour period. So whats happening is when you have a rest/break 15/30/45.
At the end of that break/rest. It starts another 24 hour period. So if you have six breaks in a working shift you have six 24 hour periods. So if you start work at
00.00 and have a 15 minute break at 3 am you have to make sure on your next day/night shift that you have a break before or on the same time as your prevous shift to close that 24 hour period. Thats the way we have been told to do it by RHA who monitor our hours .
Breaks do not restart a 24 hour period
Rest restarts a new 24 hour period foe EU tacho regs
Rest does not restart a new 24 hours for the WTD regs
Yeh. If the EU laws ever made perfect sense, then maybe Remain would have scored more than 48%.
I’m surprised actually we have not seen a decree to drive on the right like the majority of the rest of the world by now…
Robertthegreat:
We are on a ten hour rule at the moment due to pay talks. But its ten hours in a 24 hour period. So whats happening is when you have a rest/break 15/30/45.
At the end of that break/rest. It starts another 24 hour period. So if you have six breaks in a working shift you have six 24 hour periods. So if you start work at
00.00 and have a 15 minute break at 3 am you have to make sure on your next day/night shift that you have a break before or on the same time as your prevous shift to close that 24 hour period. Thats the way we have been told to do it by RHA who monitor our hours .
Breaks do not restart a 24 hour period
Rest restarts a new 24 hour period foe EU tacho regs
Rest does not restart a new 24 hours for the WTD regs
Robertthegreat:
We are on a ten hour rule at the moment due to pay talks. But its ten hours in a 24 hour period. So whats happening is when you have a rest/break 15/30/45.
At the end of that break/rest. It starts another 24 hour period. So if you have six breaks in a working shift you have six 24 hour periods. So if you start work at
00.00 and have a 15 minute break at 3 am you have to make sure on your next day/night shift that you have a break before or on the same time as your prevous shift to close that 24 hour period. Thats the way we have been told to do it by RHA who monitor our hours .
Breaks do not restart a 24 hour period
Rest restarts a new 24 hour period foe EU tacho regs
Rest does not restart a new 24 hours for the WTD regs
thats what i mean rest peirod
A rest period of 9/10 hours will reset the 24 hour period for the EU regulations but it doesn’t reset the 24 hour period for the WTD.
Without a workforce agreement, if you start work at 01:00 you can legally do 10 hours working time until 01:00 the following day, it doesn’t matter how much rest you have.
Just to point out, ‘working time’ and ‘duty time’ differ considerably. Unless your doing the majority of your shift driving, you will struggle to exceed the 10 hr rule.
Honestscott76:
Just to point out, ‘working time’ and ‘duty time’ differ considerably. Unless your doing the majority of your shift driving, you will struggle to exceed the 10 hr rule.
?
You start shift @ 14:00 say, at 22:00 you’re sent out on a 2 hr each way run. You book off at 03:00 having had two 30 minute breaks spaced out during that shift.
Is that legal?
I’m told it isn’t, and that I’ll need to be taking in addition to that hour of breaks - at least 2 hours of POA/Breaks on top. Thus, I have spent upto 10 hours on duty out of a total shift time of 13 hours, to stay legal.
I argued that I could have a 15 hour shift of which 14 hours of it was “on duty” weather driving or not - but was told “Nope, not without a local agreement in place. No Union, - No agreement! - so you’re running bent once on duty for more than 10 hours tonight. No overtime for you. If you break down, book it all as POA rather than call us to come out and get you. You can indeed have a shift up to 15 hours, but you’ll only ever be recognized for attending a 10 hour shift regardless of how much break and POA combined you take.”
Honestscott76:
Just to point out, ‘working time’ and ‘duty time’ differ considerably. Unless your doing the majority of your shift driving, you will struggle to exceed the 10 hr rule.
?
You start shift @ 14:00 say, at 22:00 you’re sent out on a 2 hr each way run. You book off at 03:00 having had two 30 minute breaks spaced out during that shift.
Is that legal?
I’m told it isn’t, and that I’ll need to be taking in addition to that hour of breaks - at least 2 hours of POA/Breaks on top. Thus, I have spent upto 10 hours on duty out of a total shift time of 13 hours, to stay legal.
I argued that I could have a 15 hour shift of which 14 hours of it was “on duty” weather driving or not - but was told “Nope, not without a local agreement in place. No Union, - No agreement! - so you’re running bent once on duty for more than 10 hours tonight. No overtime for you. If you break down, book it all as POA rather than call us to come out and get you. You can indeed have a shift up to 15 hours, but you’ll only ever be recognized for attending a 10 hour shift regardless of how much break and POA combined you take.”
POA and break do not count as duty. Used correctly during the periods you stated would not exceed 10 hrs duty time. For example, 14:00 to 22:00 = 8 hrs on POA then 22:00 till 03:00 = 5 hrs duty less the 30 mins break reduces that to 4:30.
Honestscott76:
Just to point out, ‘working time’ and ‘duty time’ differ considerably. Unless your doing the majority of your shift driving, you will struggle to exceed the 10 hr rule.
?
You start shift @ 14:00 say, at 22:00 you’re sent out on a 2 hr each way run. You book off at 03:00 having had two 30 minute breaks spaced out during that shift.
Is that legal?
I’m told it isn’t, and that I’ll need to be taking in addition to that hour of breaks - at least 2 hours of POA/Breaks on top. Thus, I have spent upto 10 hours on duty out of a total shift time of 13 hours, to stay legal.
I argued that I could have a 15 hour shift of which 14 hours of it was “on duty” weather driving or not - but was told “Nope, not without a local agreement in place. No Union, - No agreement! - so you’re running bent once on duty for more than 10 hours tonight. No overtime for you. If you break down, book it all as POA rather than call us to come out and get you. You can indeed have a shift up to 15 hours, but you’ll only ever be recognized for attending a 10 hour shift regardless of how much break and POA combined you take.”
POA and break do not count as duty. Used correctly during the periods you stated would not exceed 10 hrs duty time. For example, 14:00 to 22:00 = 8 hrs on POA then 22:00 till 03:00 = 5 hrs duty less the 30 mins break reduces that to 4:30.
