commonrail:
Macski:
Go to the car park on the motorway service area and see how many business travellers are boiling kettles and making meals in their BMWs and Audis? They go to the restaraunt and claim expenses.So they have a better job than you.
Get over it.
Yes I know, just a HGV driver, what should I expect.
robroy:
Macski:
lolipop:
N/O Money is what it says nothing to do with lunch and any other meals during the day. if you are on day work and home every night you would be paying for your meals etc out of your own pocket,so why should n/o money cover them.Because many companies cover their employees expenses when they are out on the road, even when they return home for the night, truck driver excluded.
Go to the car park on the motorway service area and see how many business travellers are boiling kettles and making meals in their BMWs and Audis? They go to the restaraunt and claim expenses.
I have no idea how much a meal costs at a services mow, £10 probably more with coffee x 2, 3 or 4 coffees at £4, parking around £30 that equals £52, you can cut costs by parking in truck stops or in industrial parks but even so £26 or whatever the allowance is doesn’t get you far.
I for one think it should be illegal to take a weekend break in a cab
I take your point, but they ain’t parking up in what is essentially a big camper van with all the facilities, but in as you say a BM or Audi.
I’m assuming you’re a day man who thinks nights away from home in a truck are the ‘‘works of Satan’’…but you are fully entitled to your opinion.
Where as many of us are not ashamed (even if you guys think we ought to be,) to actually not mind sleeping in a fully equipped with all home comforts cab…and in past times personally speaking actually ‘enjoy’ it.
I have had many a good weekend spent in Europe,.exploring places at my leisure,.such as battlefield sites etc…, while cabbing it…not to mention the odd ‘dens of eniquity’Tbf I have taken the odd night in a hotel also, but as I said no qualms about cabbing it…but not in a sleeping bag after eating a dodgy pie and a can I’ve just bought, that you day men seem to think is a tramper’s life.
I ain’t at the ''Mad cab happy stage ‘’ either, I only have 3 a n/o a week now usually.
More to this job than delivering bog rolls to Tesco if you enjoy it.
Well I don’t know, stick a oven in the boot, fold down the split seats and you have a perfectly good place to make your dinner.
Used to go camping in my Ford Probe and later my Shogun, perfectly possible and comfertable to sleep in a car too.
I was fine sleeping in a truck as long as I found some where quiet, a lot of the time found myself constantly woken by activity around me from drivers reving their engines to build up air to ladies knocking on my door and asking if i wanted company. Funny as away from the truck ladies were not so atracted to the fact I was a truck driver.
Here is an off topic question for you guys, how do you sleep with a fridge/freezer going off all the time, I used to turn mine off for a few hours.
Macski:
commonrail:
Macski:
Go to the car park on the motorway service area and see how many business travellers are boiling kettles and making meals in their BMWs and Audis? They go to the restaraunt and claim expenses.So they have a better job than you.
Get over it.Yes I know, just a HGV driver, what should I expect.
Not a company bmw,with all expenses paid…that’s for sure.
As my grandpa used to say…you made yer bed…
commonrail:
Macski:
commonrail:
Macski:
Go to the car park on the motorway service area and see how many business travellers are boiling kettles and making meals in their BMWs and Audis? They go to the restaraunt and claim expenses.So they have a better job than you.
Get over it.Yes I know, just a HGV driver, what should I expect.
Not a company bmw,with all expenses paid…that’s for sure.
As my grandpa used to say…you made yer bed…
I am getting a company Volvo if I pass my test!
Why is it OK to treat these working from an office base differently?
Managers especially these in big companies don’t understand supply and demand when it comes to employment, some people get over paid for others they try to get away with bare minimums, then they do not understand why they can’t fill vacancies and have high staff turnover.
Your grandpa did not seems to realise not everyone made their own bed.
I blame it on the gig economy
commonrail:
I blame it on the gig economy
Ed Sheran seems to have done quite well out of it
dozy:
I always counted my night out allowance as part of my wage
Bigger fool you then because you wont get it when your on holiday.
Ken.
I guess if you are a tramper (tin box dweller, whatever), then you have sort of accepted it as part of your job. In the case of unplanned nights out where you are not equipped and have no option but to sleep in the truck, I think the standard night-out rate isn’t really good enough. The issue is compensation in that case, which I think should be more. As we know with some of the lower cabs, it isn’t even that easy to hoist yourself up on the bed. I have had to night out in a low cab with curtains hanging off and with the place like an oven in the heat, trying to get to sleep at about 8pm for a 4am start, with trucks parking up and leaving the engine running and so forth. Not much fun.
The office then turned their noses up at the parking receipt I submitted for reimbursement. “What you had to pay for parking in the services?”. Me: “Eh, well, yeah.”
Quinny:
dozy:
I always counted my night out allowance as part of my wageBigger fool you then because you wont get it when your on holiday.
Ken.
Why is he a fool?
The only reason for counting night out money as part of your salary is comparing 2 jobs with different salaries.
Job 1 £30,000 pa
Job 2 £30,000 pa plus £6,288 pa night out.
which would you choose?
And if you decide to go down the self catering route,that £6288 could be put to good use.
Can a Haulage company offset its nightout payments to drivers against its corporation tax bill when submitting the books■■?
Was told one time HMRC allow companies to do this to max £55/night per driver hence why some pay £30+ per actual nightout.
Also why some pay tax free nightouts when driver isn’t doing ANY nightouts!!!
Quite possibly just a drivers “DC waiting room story” though!!!
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Big Truck:
Can a Haulage company offset its nightout payments to drivers against its corporation tax bill when submitting the books■■?
Was told one time HMRC allow companies to do this to max £55/night per driver hence why some pay £30+ per actual nightout.
Also why some pay tax free nightouts when driver isn’t doing ANY nightouts!!!Quite possibly just a drivers “DC waiting room story” though!!!
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Night out money is just another expense for the employer. They don`t get any “refund” on it.
If N/O is paid tax-free, when not due, then bits of smelly stuff could hit the ventilation device.
stu675:
Quinny:
dozy:
I always counted my night out allowance as part of my wageBigger fool you then because you wont get it when your on holiday.
Ken.
Why is he a fool?
The only reason for counting night out money as part of your salary is comparing 2 jobs with different salaries.
Job 1 £30,000 pa
Job 2 £30,000 pa plus £6,288 pa night out.
which would you choose?
Obviously the one with the +£6,288, except you don’t get to do what you want with the £6,288, you get expences like parking, buy more expensive food and so on. If I am stuck on a industrial estate for the night, I might be off duty but I am still really at work.
My 19 year old neice who works in a lab is being sent to one of the other company sites as the lab she works in gets some work done on it, she gets her own room in a 4 star hotel, plus meals.
Another thing that makes me wonder is H&S. Many companys even hire enforcers to make sure drivers comply with things like wearing hi viz jacks, yet the industry is fine with allowing cooking in the cabs.
Macski:
stu675:
Quinny:
dozy:
I always counted my night out allowance as part of my wageBigger fool you then because you wont get it when your on holiday.
Ken.
Why is he a fool?
The only reason for counting night out money as part of your salary is comparing 2 jobs with different salaries.
Job 1 £30,000 pa
Job 2 £30,000 pa plus £6,288 pa night out.
which would you choose?Obviously the one with the +£6,288, except you don’t get to do what you want with the £6,288, you get expences like parking, buy more expensive food and so on. If I am stuck on a industrial estate for the night, I might be off duty but I am still really at work.
My 19 year old neice who works in a lab is being sent to one of the other company sites as the lab she works in gets some work done on it, she gets her own room in a 4 star hotel, plus meals.
Another thing that makes me wonder is H&S. Many companys even hire enforcers to make sure drivers comply with things like wearing hi viz jacks, yet the industry is fine with allowing cooking in the cabs.
How many more times? YOU should not be paying to park the truck for the night.
@o/p
Simple answer if you have any reservations about this that and the other concerning the aspects of tramping …don’t ■■■■ do it. 
Nobody is putting your arm up your back.
You’re welcome
Franglais:
Big Truck:
Can a Haulage company offset its nightout payments to drivers against its corporation tax bill when submitting the books■■?
Was told one time HMRC allow companies to do this to max £55/night per driver hence why some pay £30+ per actual nightout.
Also why some pay tax free nightouts when driver isn’t doing ANY nightouts!!!Quite possibly just a drivers “DC waiting room story” though!!!
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Night out money is just another expense for the employer. They don`t get any “refund” on it.
If N/O is paid tax-free, when not due, then bits of smelly stuff could hit the ventilation device.
Yes, it’s just another business expense and every £25 they pay in N/O money reduces their profit by £25, so reduces their corporation tax bill by a fiver. So in effect that £25 only costs the company £20.
It starts to get more complicated if they pay more than the allowable tax-free amount as it then comes under National Insurance rules and they will have to pay employer NI contributions as well.
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Technically there is no limit to n/o allowance just a limit which isn’t taxed. I am sure mow receipts have to be handed in unless agreements have been made.
The FAQ at the bottom is also a good read .
robroy:
@o/p
Simple answer if you have any reservations about this that and the other concerning the aspects of tramping …don’t [zb] do it.
Nobody is putting your arm up your back.
You’re welcome
I won’t do tramping. No way am I going to sleep in a tin box.
Oh, wait! 