att:
Indeed, not good since the cost of adblue has gone through the roof…I think Scania have messed it up with this one…Driving like a car…Not a good thing either in my book.
We have an all Scania fleet and this new model has seen the end of that! In just 3 months.
I always take it with a pinch of salt when anyone says a 44-tonne artic drives like a car. Perhaps they mean the gearbox is that simple or that it’s simple and uncomplicated to drive, but then, my car is a 5-speed manual. Either way you’re never quite unconscious of the fact that you’re pulling a heavy load, however good the power steering or gearbox.
Did someone say it looks like a dustcart? That’s exactly what I thought when I first clapped eyes on the rigids and the smaller units… Merc Econic springs to mind! The mpg on the smaller ‘p’ cab with a tall trailer like that would presumably be dire
alix776:
Give them 3 weeks I’m told the fuel improves on week 4 its a truck and anydriver who doesn’t like the make there given and wreck fuel economy its not hard. As for 6.8 go take a driving course and how to drive it properly
Ooh, hark at her!!
Well lad, there’s always something new to learn, and I love listening to an expert. So, as I’m getting on a bit (42 years on the road, 39as an o/d) and could do with a week off, why don’t you head up here to the wild north west and show me how to get more than 6.8, loaded to the ■■■■ and hauling out some hills where you almost need oxygen at the top.
Many of the loggers out here, who get between four and five mpg from their V8 s will also be delighted to hear from you.
See you soon, Johnnie ■■
Did you say you was on log work no I took that you was on general haulage log work you never going to get much above 6.5 on that type of work especially if your running a crane on the truck your going to get even less.
Dispite being that long at it you can always learn something new from some training on a new truck
Obviously one of the aforementioned rockets. Also, in your own time, please, please, do some work on your tenses. You’ll give us all a bad name with your council estate grammar. Just saying.
axletramp:
There must be some well - spoilt drivers on here if they can talk like they have a choice of motors to drive.
I always thought when you got a job at a firm you drove whatever you were given.
Though I do think that Scanias lost the plot with cab design after the 3 series…
It’s more a matter of choice than being spoilt, If you want one get a job at a place that has them, just like you have a choice on gearboxes as well, these days I won’t take a job where it would be likely that I would be expected to drive a manual truck, currently working at a place that has auto topline scanias which are being replaced with with the new scanias in a few months time.
Old John:
Obviously one of the aforementioned rockets. Also, in your own time, please, please, do some work on your tenses. You’ll give us all a bad name with your council estate grammar. Just saying.
axletramp:
There must be some well - spoilt drivers on here if they can talk like they have a choice of motors to drive.
I always thought when you got a job at a firm you drove whatever you were given.
Though I do think that Scanias lost the plot with cab design after the 3 series…
It’s more a matter of choice than being spoilt, If you want one get a job at a place that has them, just like you have a choice on gearboxes as well, these days I won’t take a job where it would be likely that I would be expected to drive a manual truck, currently working at a place that has auto topline scanias which are being replaced with with the new scanias in a few months time.
Yes well I personally have rarely been offered a choice of motors, although I was once given a FL10 or a C series ERF to decide between. I chose the ERF. Usually opting to work for an own - account type of firm I’ve been more interested in the stuff they delivered and the pay and conditions on offer rather than a fancy motor with an auto box. However, the last firm I worked for allocated me a 51 plate Scania with manual box and wax chart tacho with which I was well pleased. And now I’m early - retired with no intention of going back on the road I’m glad I got out while I was still on top:-)
Juddian:
Different motors have different torque bands, where the driver’s skill comes in is to make the most of it, maintaining progress by being in the right gear at the right moment.
My 440 MAN i notice will hold its speed higher into hills than our two Swedish makes at 43 tons, but once speed has dropped to whatever it will be on the hill they both pick up to cruise speed quicker if the hill is long, if you were to run side by side i doubt there would be a vehicle’s length between either of them, its also better at pulling away and leaving roundabouts but only if you drive it manually.
Even identical lorries will have noticeable differences in how they power along, left in auto you can’t take advantage it needs some interest to be taken and driver input.
As for the new Scanny, its looks are of no importance to me cos its a working tool not a mid life crisis toy bought to attract airhead bleached blondes, i really want to try one to check if the gearbox in particular but also the previously near enough pointless exhaust brake has been improved.
Also looking for better ride and seat quality, both of which are lagging probably 20 years behind others, i hear the steering is superbly direct, that is something i won’t miss about the MAN, umpteen turns from lock to lock and a steering wheel from HMS Victory results in far too much free play thereby following contours in the road than is acceptable.
Just for you clown, here are my findings after a 400 mile trip today. Exhaust brake works well- it’s ’ staged ’ and not snatchy
Seats are much improved with the side controls pretty much the same as the previous model, and the ride quality is vastly improved. Steering inputs are direct and precise with a light (but not skittish) feel, flat bottomed steering wheel makes you feel like Lewis Hamilton. Windscreen is still slightly low in my opinion but miles better than the previous model.
Gearbox is the full auto and it doesn’t seem any different to the previous model’s set-up, which in fairness is the closest rival to Volvo’s I-shift. Cycled it through the gears manually through Warrington and it’s smooth and accurate with next to no hesitation.
My model is an S500 which I believe is a 6 cylinder model (all our previous model 520’s are V8’s which are lovely to drive but turd on fuel) and it pulled nicely and returned 9.4 mpg on today’s trip. Bluetooth is crystal clear, loads of lockers/storage and the mattress is much thicker than the outgoing model. Very comfy (allegedly )
All in all an excellent machine but looks divide opinion.
Juddian:
Different motors have different torque bands, where the driver’s skill comes in is to make the most of it, maintaining progress by being in the right gear at the right moment.
My 440 MAN i notice will hold its speed higher into hills than our two Swedish makes at 43 tons, but once speed has dropped to whatever it will be on the hill they both pick up to cruise speed quicker if the hill is long, if you were to run side by side i doubt there would be a vehicle’s length between either of them, its also better at pulling away and leaving roundabouts but only if you drive it manually.
Even identical lorries will have noticeable differences in how they power along, left in auto you can’t take advantage it needs some interest to be taken and driver input.
As for the new Scanny, its looks are of no importance to me cos its a working tool not a mid life crisis toy bought to attract airhead bleached blondes, i really want to try one to check if the gearbox in particular but also the previously near enough pointless exhaust brake has been improved.
Also looking for better ride and seat quality, both of which are lagging probably 20 years behind others, i hear the steering is superbly direct, that is something i won’t miss about the MAN, umpteen turns from lock to lock and a steering wheel from HMS Victory results in far too much free play thereby following contours in the road than is acceptable.
Just for you clown, here are my findings after a 400 mile trip today. Exhaust brake works well- it’s ’ staged ’ and not snatchy
Seats are much improved with the side controls pretty much the same as the previous model, and the ride quality is vastly improved. Steering inputs are direct and precise with a light (but not skittish) feel, flat bottomed steering wheel makes you feel like Lewis Hamilton. Windscreen is still slightly low in my opinion but miles better than the previous model.
Gearbox is the full auto and it doesn’t seem any different to the previous model’s set-up, which in fairness is the closest rival to Volvo’s I-shift. Cycled it through the gears manually through Warrington and it’s smooth and accurate with next to no hesitation.
My model is an S500 which I believe is a 6 cylinder model (all our previous model 520’s are V8’s which are lovely to drive but turd on fuel) and it pulled nicely and returned 9.4 mpg on today’s trip. Bluetooth is crystal clear, loads of lockers/storage and the mattress is much thicker than the outgoing model. Very comfy (allegedly )
All in all an excellent machine but looks divide opinion.
Thanks for the review Beaver.
Looks like exhauster has been improved then, cos the outgoing model unless you drove in manual and made sure the revs were well up in the band all it did was make a bloody noise.
Ride needed improving, badly, the make has never neen much cop in that regard, sure it was either 112/113 i used to drive that had no rear shock absorbers at all, just steel springs, would shake your bloody fillings out
So much for the gearbox layshaft having a brake improving the shift speeds, though thankfully it’s still got proper manual control and is still precise and responsive to input, does it still utilise the exhauster to slow the engine revs to speed up gearchanges??
Much obliged to me learned fiend for the info.
Looks won’t exactly worry me if i end up with one, it’s hardly going to make a difference to the number of pretty girls not chucking 'emselves at my feet
Juddian:
Different motors have different torque bands, where the driver’s skill comes in is to make the most of it, maintaining progress by being in the right gear at the right moment.
My 440 MAN i notice will hold its speed higher into hills than our two Swedish makes at 43 tons, but once speed has dropped to whatever it will be on the hill they both pick up to cruise speed quicker if the hill is long, if you were to run side by side i doubt there would be a vehicle’s length between either of them, its also better at pulling away and leaving roundabouts but only if you drive it manually.
Even identical lorries will have noticeable differences in how they power along, left in auto you can’t take advantage it needs some interest to be taken and driver input.
As for the new Scanny, its looks are of no importance to me cos its a working tool not a mid life crisis toy bought to attract airhead bleached blondes, i really want to try one to check if the gearbox in particular but also the previously near enough pointless exhaust brake has been improved.
Also looking for better ride and seat quality, both of which are lagging probably 20 years behind others, i hear the steering is superbly direct, that is something i won’t miss about the MAN, umpteen turns from lock to lock and a steering wheel from HMS Victory results in far too much free play thereby following contours in the road than is acceptable.
Just for you clown, here are my findings after a 400 mile trip today. Exhaust brake works well- it’s ’ staged ’ and not snatchy
Seats are much improved with the side controls pretty much the same as the previous model, and the ride quality is vastly improved. Steering inputs are direct and precise with a light (but not skittish) feel, flat bottomed steering wheel makes you feel like Lewis Hamilton. Windscreen is still slightly low in my opinion but miles better than the previous model.
Gearbox is the full auto and it doesn’t seem any different to the previous model’s set-up, which in fairness is the closest rival to Volvo’s I-shift. Cycled it through the gears manually through Warrington and it’s smooth and accurate with next to no hesitation.
My model is an S500 which I believe is a 6 cylinder model (all our previous model 520’s are V8’s which are lovely to drive but turd on fuel) and it pulled nicely and returned 9.4 mpg on today’s trip. Bluetooth is crystal clear, loads of lockers/storage and the mattress is much thicker than the outgoing model. Very comfy (allegedly )
All in all an excellent machine but looks divide opinion.
Thanks for the review Beaver.
Looks like exhauster has been improved then, cos the outgoing model unless you drove in manual and made sure the revs were well up in the band all it did was make a bloody noise.
Ride needed improving, badly, the make has never neen much cop in that regard, sure it was either 112/113 i used to drive that had no rear shock absorbers at all, just steel springs, would shake your bloody fillings out
So much for the gearbox layshaft having a brake improving the shift speeds, though thankfully it’s still got proper manual control and is still precise and responsive to input, does it still utilise the exhauster to slow the engine revs to speed up gearchanges??
Much obliged to me learned fiend for the info.
Looks won’t exactly worry me if i end up with one, it’s hardly going to make a difference to the number of pretty girls not chucking 'emselves at my feet
Re; engine revs/gearchanges mate. I think software and computer controlled witchcraft are heavily used! There is now a little switch (think it’s on the steering wheel) for the retarder where as you can have it on/off/ or auto. Obviously you can manually just knock the r/h stalk down either one or two clicks if you want to manually control retardation, but in regards to your question regarding the exhauster contributing to speed up the gearchange, I will investigate further tomorrow mate.
Glad to hear they’ve sorted the exhaust brake out. Currently drive a G450 and can’t say there’s anything I don’t like about it except for the exhaust brake set up. I find the floor mounted button a bit awkward. Should be up in the space next to where the clutch pedal would normally be. And when using it via the brake pedal, why scania never programmed it to stop working below 15mph or 5th gear is beyond me. Sounds like the gearbox or propshaft is about to fall off when it comes on in traffic while doing 5mph.
If the S series is better than the old G or R, scania must be on to a winner.
Juddian:
Different motors have different torque bands, where the driver’s skill comes in is to make the most of it, maintaining progress by being in the right gear at the right moment.
My 440 MAN i notice will hold its speed higher into hills than our two Swedish makes at 43 tons, but once speed has dropped to whatever it will be on the hill they both pick up to cruise speed quicker if the hill is long, if you were to run side by side i doubt there would be a vehicle’s length between either of them, its also better at pulling away and leaving roundabouts but only if you drive it manually.
Even identical lorries will have noticeable differences in how they power along, left in auto you can’t take advantage it needs some interest to be taken and driver input.
As for the new Scanny, its looks are of no importance to me cos its a working tool not a mid life crisis toy bought to attract airhead bleached blondes, i really want to try one to check if the gearbox in particular but also the previously near enough pointless exhaust brake has been improved.
Also looking for better ride and seat quality, both of which are lagging probably 20 years behind others, i hear the steering is superbly direct, that is something i won’t miss about the MAN, umpteen turns from lock to lock and a steering wheel from HMS Victory results in far too much free play thereby following contours in the road than is acceptable.
Just for you clown, here are my findings after a 400 mile trip today. Exhaust brake works well- it’s ’ staged ’ and not snatchy
Seats are much improved with the side controls pretty much the same as the previous model, and the ride quality is vastly improved. Steering inputs are direct and precise with a light (but not skittish) feel, flat bottomed steering wheel makes you feel like Lewis Hamilton. Windscreen is still slightly low in my opinion but miles better than the previous model.
Gearbox is the full auto and it doesn’t seem any different to the previous model’s set-up, which in fairness is the closest rival to Volvo’s I-shift. Cycled it through the gears manually through Warrington and it’s smooth and accurate with next to no hesitation.
My model is an S500 which I believe is a 6 cylinder model (all our previous model 520’s are V8’s which are lovely to drive but turd on fuel) and it pulled nicely and returned 9.4 mpg on today’s trip. Bluetooth is crystal clear, loads of lockers/storage and the mattress is much thicker than the outgoing model. Very comfy (allegedly )
All in all an excellent machine but looks divide opinion.
Sounds al right mate, though if I get one, I suspect the gearbox will have the manual option programed out, as with my current R450, bit frustrating but you get used to it. If they’ve improved the mattress yet again, I’ll struggle to get out of it in the mornings present bed better than the older bed, so onwards and horizontalwards (quite important for a box jockey)
Most important though, is the top step large enough to leave your boots on please research and relay your fully evaluated results, thanks for the review Beaver
Juddian:
Different motors have different torque bands, where the driver’s skill comes in is to make the most of it, maintaining progress by being in the right gear at the right moment.
My 440 MAN i notice will hold its speed higher into hills than our two Swedish makes at 43 tons, but once speed has dropped to whatever it will be on the hill they both pick up to cruise speed quicker if the hill is long, if you were to run side by side i doubt there would be a vehicle’s length between either of them, its also better at pulling away and leaving roundabouts but only if you drive it manually.
Even identical lorries will have noticeable differences in how they power along, left in auto you can’t take advantage it needs some interest to be taken and driver input.
As for the new Scanny, its looks are of no importance to me cos its a working tool not a mid life crisis toy bought to attract airhead bleached blondes, i really want to try one to check if the gearbox in particular but also the previously near enough pointless exhaust brake has been improved.
Also looking for better ride and seat quality, both of which are lagging probably 20 years behind others, i hear the steering is superbly direct, that is something i won’t miss about the MAN, umpteen turns from lock to lock and a steering wheel from HMS Victory results in far too much free play thereby following contours in the road than is acceptable.
Just for you clown, here are my findings after a 400 mile trip today. Exhaust brake works well- it’s ’ staged ’ and not snatchy
Seats are much improved with the side controls pretty much the same as the previous model, and the ride quality is vastly improved. Steering inputs are direct and precise with a light (but not skittish) feel, flat bottomed steering wheel makes you feel like Lewis Hamilton. Windscreen is still slightly low in my opinion but miles better than the previous model.
Gearbox is the full auto and it doesn’t seem any different to the previous model’s set-up, which in fairness is the closest rival to Volvo’s I-shift. Cycled it through the gears manually through Warrington and it’s smooth and accurate with next to no hesitation.
My model is an S500 which I believe is a 6 cylinder model (all our previous model 520’s are V8’s which are lovely to drive but turd on fuel) and it pulled nicely and returned 9.4 mpg on today’s trip. Bluetooth is crystal clear, loads of lockers/storage and the mattress is much thicker than the outgoing model. Very comfy (allegedly )
All in all an excellent machine but looks divide opinion.
Sounds al right mate, though if I get one, I suspect the gearbox will have the manual option programed out, as with my current R450, bit frustrating but you get used to it. If they’ve improved the mattress yet again, I’ll struggle to get out of it in the mornings present bed better than the older bed, so onwards and horizontalwards (quite important for a box jockey)
Most important though, is the top step large enough to leave your boots on please research and relay your fully evaluated results, thanks for the review Beaver
Done a top step boot test today mate with my size 11’s, passed with flying colours
Couple of extra things to mention. Mirrors are improved greatly, still got the blindspot mirror on top but it’s more square and electrically operated (both sides). In fact ALL mirrors are now electric including the front and kerbside! Floor is completely flat now which some people prefer, but it does mean that dust/hair/general crap doesn’t stay in the drivers footwell anymore.
Fridge is still under the bunk but the set-up is now similar to the Actros with 2 deep draws (one being the fridge closest to the driver). The fridge in the out going model was a bit shallow really. The Scania ’ infotainment ’ system is bloody superb, the one in mine is possibly an upgrade as it has sat-nav included in it and it’s all touch screen.
The auto retarder function is actually on the r/h gear stalk btw, and not on the steering wheel as I incorrectly stated on a previous post! Cruise control switch is still on the bottom of the steering wheel, although it’s situated on the left side rather than the right-minor gripe (but great if you are left handed ) The driving lights in the grill are an extra option on mine, but to be honest I think they are a bit pointless. The air/elec lines stow a little better than the previous model, 3 external lockers instead of 2, and that’s about it. Oh, more USB ports too.
Sounds good so far Beaver, mirrors needed sorting but is there still a gap between the two mirrors to help with blinds spots? they didn’t borrow MAN’s wardrobe mirrors for maximum blind spot danger ?
Still got a real parking brake? not that electric piece of crap Volvo have amazingly nailed on in an effort to attract more quality car drivers to the industry ?
Manual gearshift still quicker in H or P or whatever the hill/power mode would be if in auto?
eddie snax:
Most important though, is the top step large enough to leave your boots on please research and relay your fully evaluated results, thanks for the review Beaver
Done a top step boot test today mate with my size 11’s, passed with flying colours
If anyone wants to know anything else just ask
Fantastic, got to be able to leave the crap outside
Juddian:
Sounds good so far Beaver, mirrors needed sorting but is there still a gap between the two mirrors to help with blinds spots? they didn’t borrow MAN’s wardrobe mirrors for maximum blind spot danger ?
Still got a real parking brake? not that electric piece of crap Volvo have amazingly nailed on in an effort to attract more quality car drivers to the industry ?
Manual gearshift still quicker in H or P or whatever the hill/power mode would be if in auto?
Mirrors do have a gap between them J. And yes…a ’ proper ’ handbrake
As regards the ’ power ’ mode, unless I am being a ■■■■ (possible ), I think ours are locked in Eco mode.
I’ve just managed to roll the entire Shap section Southbound between 50-60 mph and got an ’ Exemplary Driving ’ prompt
My last motor was a TGX, and the combination of the nearside wardrobe mirror and thick ‘A’ pillar meant that you could hide an entire artic there from a certain angle
Ah, don’t like the sound of it being in eco mode permanently, bad enough with the bloody euro 6 Daf’s which default to eco after about a minute sods law dictating just at the precise moment you were going for a momentum saving manual shift only to find the bloody thing had nipped back to eco cos nanny knows best
Still have to be thankful, its still got a parking brake and the mirrors are better than what i’ll be coming off, and if manual stays in manual it really doesn’t matter whether its in eco or not if i’m controlling it.
Thanks for all the info Beaver, its by no means certain i’ll be getting one but now i know a bit more about them it won’t be the end of the world if i do get saddled with one in due course
Juddian:
Ah, don’t like the sound of it being in eco mode permanently, bad enough with the bloody euro 6 Daf’s which default to eco after about a minute sods law dictating just at the precise moment you were going for a momentum saving manual shift only to find the bloody thing had nipped back to eco cos nanny knows best
Still have to be thankful, its still got a parking brake and the mirrors are better than what i’ll be coming off, and if manual stays in manual it really doesn’t matter whether its in eco or not if i’m controlling it.
Thanks for all the info Beaver, its by no means certain i’ll be getting one but now i know a bit more about them it won’t be the end of the world if i do get saddled with one in due course
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