New driver at 34 and career change

There really is no average, some jobs can be 1 day, 1 week or 1 month or more. The job varies so much. Plus, one day you could be lifting an aeroplane like I did last year, and the next day you could be lifting a 6 tonne valve 50 metres down a Thames Water shaft. And then some days you could be sleeping in your crane for half a day because they’re not ready to lift yet.

As for making progress through crane sizes, honestly it really depends on the company policy and their fleet, the driver and his/her ambition and technical competency, and a bit of luck.

We have a young driver (27yrs) at our depot who’s gone from a 40 tonne crane to a 300 tonne crane in just 2.5 years. Other drivers don’t fancy going above a certain size crane because they’ve found what suits them.

Also, there is a saying “The bigger the crane, the bigger the suitcase”. Which basically means the bigger cranes tend to travel further out. We always get put in hotels, all paid for of course. Unless you work for our Heavy Cranes Division where you can choose to sleep in the escort van and basically are away from home for most of the year.

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I suppose it depends on the size and weight but what speeds can they travel on a motorway, any time i met one they were always fairly steady but very much under the limits

Our cranes are limited to 40mph. Other crane firms will have them at 50mph where they have more tyre blow-outs. Not what you want when the tyres cost £1,500 each.

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Thanks for that @marky-p sounds more interesting than I thought, but wouldn’t have been for me, I liked to be on the move. Funny thing is though, now after all those years, I hate it when I have to got to the nearest town, 30 kms away though. :roll_eyes:

Back in the day when I started (1960) the job and conditions were vastly different to todays ‘life on the road’. No mobile phones ( you got your notes and off you went, “give us a ring when you are tipped”. No tacho’s, hell we used to have to fill in a weekly log sheet, hand it in on Saturday lunchtime, (always fill it in using a pencil so that if at a later date ‘adjustments’ were needed. :smile:

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You forgot to mention a bag of pennies for the freezing phone box.

By it were 'ard in them days. :roll_eyes:

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If you were lucky enough to find one that actually worked, or hadn’t been used as a toilet. Or had any space to park an artic near… :roll_eyes:

Ah you’re thinking of the '70s, in the '60s everything was spick and span and the sun shone everyday. :joy:

Mind you, to be fair it does shine every day, everywhere, it is only the clouds that get in the way. :roll_eyes:

You’re right! I was actually thinking of the '80s just before mobile housebrick phones came in. Yes, before that it was much less of a problem. I remember driving across London (shortly before the M25 opened) and trying to find a phonebox that worked so that could get a backload. I finally ran out hours (and dead phones) and had to call it a day. Dark ages!

I was reading that*

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Hi n88_lny

I can offer the perspective of a career change driver at almost 3 years in. I don’t have any memories of driving in the good old days to compare with driving now but I am able to compare how I feel about my new career compared to how I felt about what I used to do. I hated it and driving provided an escape for me. Your post sounds a bit like my first post. There are ■■■■■■ days in every job, sometimes two in a row and I sometimes ask myself would I rather be doing what I was doing or doing what I’m doing now. Driving always wins.

Everyone’s experience is different and there are lots of variables, especially where you are located and the work available. Based on my experience, my thoughts:

No job is just driving. A lot of jobs are far more “other work” than driving. Be prepared for that - hanging around waiting to get loaded, loading, strapping, unloading, unstrapping, using tail lifts, using pallet trucks, using sack trucks, using a device or pen and paper to administer deliveries etc etc. It’s also highly regulated.

There is a huge variety of jobs in the industry which you can only really find out about properly by working in it. For example, the industry is known for its long hours but you can work shop hours by working a crane lorry for a builders merchant or driving a refuse truck. While these jobs may not initially appeal, don’t knock them as they will teach you how to maneuver a large vehicle in small spaces, amongst other things.

Some of the placements I’ve liked the best are ones where the firms are “own account”. That means they don’t make their money out of transport, they make their money out of selling their goods and they run their own fleet in order to deliver said goods.

Driving is a third class industry for a first class brain. Now I know there are a lot of third class brains in the industry but the seasoned drivers will know what I mean. I’m not talking about an academic brain, but the knowledge that you need to acquire to do the job well is immense. There is so much responsibility on the driver, which you are not remunerated for, you are just seen as a labourer with a license.

If you are serious, I would see it a bit like an on the job degree or BTEC or whatever, 2-3 years of intense learning and experience building, followed by more of the same but at a less intense pace. All experienced drivers will tell you “don’t run before you can walk” and “everyday is a school day”.

You will think you are a good driver. You are not. You don’t look in your mirrors enough and you only look just beyond your front bonnet. You indicate at roundabouts at the last minute. Driving HGVs will also not let you think you are a good driver for long - I thought that when I first started I would never hit my wing mirror, skim the paint off a low wall with my back end, scrape a gate post, leave my tail lift out and drive off, leave my tail lift down so it’s obscuring my lights, I could go on and on. It can be soul destroying. Still reading?

Something positive then: I love the autonomy of driving, I love the solitary nature of the cab, I also enjoy the company double manning provides occasionally, I have had some really interesting conversations and met some nice people. I know people bemoan the caliber of young entrants to the industry but I mainly meet drivers in their 40s 50s and 60s and the vast majority are helpful and empathetic and never forget what it’s like to start out.

As others have said, don’t be a Class 1 or Class 2 snob. Be prepared to work your way up to what you want.

I have always worked for agencies as I like the flexibility and the variety. It’s a good way to find out what is out there and what you like and don’t like. There are disadvantages and it’s not for everyone, but almost 3 years since I passed my Class 2 and 2 .5 years since I passed my Class 1 I have landed myself what I think I have been waiting for and working towards. Passing is just the start.

Don’t ■■■■ forklift drivers off.

Good luck and I personally always like to hear how people are getting on so I hope you’ll update if you decide to go for it.

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Wise words in a young head. :joy:

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Wow, you put my paragraph writing to shame Driveress!

The hardest part of driving a lorry is changing the duvet. Especially in a standard sleeper cab.

If you slept on a board across the seats of a day-cab unit, the chances are it was before duvets were invented on this side of the channel (we used to call them ‘continental quilts’, do you remember?).

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I remember the guys in the vans on Charnock M6 msa selling them…‘Wanna buy a continental quilt drive’

Then if you wanted a sheepskin jacket, it was further down at Sandbach.

Then was it Watford Gap.where the guy was… ‘Just returning from a ‘jewellery show’ , and was selling what he had left…at bargain prices’'.
Aye right.:grin:

Or, if you were really unlucky, you got the Jehovers Witnesses!

@n88_lny I have been in IT since around 1993/1994 over the years chased all the cert’s etc, done it all Desktop Support, Network Engineer, Application Dev, SQL Server Admin & Dev the list goes on and on…June/july 2024 I woke up each week and just could not be arsed with it any longer, working either from home or office cooped up in four walls etc…

So I started the journey you are now embarking on… So even though I am in my fifties, I would be considered young and dumb by the veterans in the transport industry.

I have worked for a parcel company and more recently some agencies doing 7.5 tonne work delivering the companies products.

Here is what I have learnt so far while working upto my C+E (Class 1) license. DO NOT TOUCH PARCEL COMPANIES WITH A BARGE POLE, unless you do Class 2 or Class 1 truncking between depots.

If you have to find van work delivering the companies own products “own account” look for 3.5 tonne box van or if you have your C1 7.5 tonne vehicles, I have delivered paletised drops and stuff like temporary heathers and aircon units, all still multi drop but not as brutal as parcel van work.

Class 2 work delivering food supplies to shops/restaurants/takeaways seem to be the next worst thing after parcels you may want to consider these as a short term experience gaining thing, but you need to be young and fit, else you will struggle.

I enjoy being in the van or 7.5 tonne vehicle and just getting on with it without people keep on coming to me saying this or that does not work and it needs fixing last week etc…oh and of course its all your fault that they effed it up.

Most of my day is quite peacefull, does depend on the company/transport office/planners but for the most part it’s enjoyable.

I have started the process of getting my C+E having my medical in a week or so, after which I need to pass my theory, as I already have 7.5 tonne “Grandfarther Rights” + CPC and tacho I do not need to do the CPC’s to get my Class 1. So I hope to get my Class 1 about a month after getting my HGV provisional. Found a realy nice bunch of people Burnley way to do my practicle driving with.

At the end of the day, this will be what you make of it, if you get a job and it’s crap, then use it as experience and move on, and eventually you will find something you like doing, then just look for more of the same via agencies.

Van work in the mean time will give you the “commercial” driving experience, also anything 3.5tonne or below is on GB domestic rules which is less restrictive, but you should keep a log of driving and working / break times so you have it to hand when you have to do manual entries on the digi card.

Good luck, and go for it you will only regret it if you dont, at least you will have a choice at the end either IT or Driving, you could even do some IT contracting in the quieter times.

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Thanks @CyberDriver , I am at a similar stage to you with obtaining C+E provisional entitlements. I have just booked my medical for 9th Feb. I have already been studying the Part 1a, b and Part 2 initial CPC.

I would consider myself reasonably fit as I go to the gym 3-5 times a week doing HIIT classes. I’ve just got an up-to-date glasses prescription (only light prescription, but I’ll have the new glasses in-time for my medical) … which I dont see there being any issues passing. I’ll send off my D4/D2 forms Mon-Tues, then it’ll probably take 3 weeks for DVLA to issue my new license.

I’ll be booking all three theory tests as soon as I get that back, so I’m hoping to have done all the theory by early March.

I really cant wait.

As mentioned in the heading, I’m 34, been working in IT for 17 years, and I’m absolutely sick of it. Completely bored, uninterested in the work, dont want to bond with colleagues, because in the back of my mind, I’ve already ‘checked-out’

I have around 35 years of working life left, I cannot continue in the world of IT.

I’ve always wanted to drive lorries, since before I was a car driver (passed at 17) … attempted class 2 about 12 years ago, failed my practical and couldnt afford to re-attempt.

Thanks for your encouragement by the way. I was thinking of getting through the tests, obtaining my CPC and driver card, and initially, looking for some odd-job agency work, saturdays etc… just to dip my toes… without leaving my IT job initially…

I’m also financially prepared for a bit of a pay cut… but I will be able to leave my full time IT job, and move over to driving full-time, as long as I earn at least £850 per week. I’m hoping this is possible, as it would help the transition.

I’ll keep everyone posted on here.

Cheers

I got paid around £160.00 after tax last week for 1 day’s 7.5 tonne work, if I did 5 days that would be £800.00, class2 pays abit more so if you’re driving full time that should be possible, also because you’re used to corporate crap, the stuff thats irritating to the old boys would probably not even phase you.

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