My VOSA complaint

fastrantiger · 31 January 2009 14:43

The police and VOSA will always go for the easy options, a clapped out truck with a foreign reg would involve far too much paperwork, not to mention language problems. Far easier to go for a UK registered truck where all the info can be pulled up on a computer. Lets face it, if some stormtrooper wants to find a fault, he will, however trivial (even a table on the dash, or a non existant bulge on a tyre ) ).

Tiger.

alamcculloch · 31 January 2009 14:53

No,you could lose your licenceand your insurance has to be up to date .If it is your land and the general public has access then you have a duty of care to them.

globby_480 · 31 January 2009 15:11

jumping in here a little far in front but… KANGAROO COURT!!!
if you were a ■■■■■■ “which i aint” or a granny beater "which i aint coz they beat beat me "
you end up in court and dealt with fair and square “so they say”
but ooooh no, not drivers …IE hours offences, etc, you go to court to be punished "so you should " then you have to go to the kangaroo court and be try"d yet again for the same offence or offence"s ■■? now i always thought once you was try"d if you are a robber ,■■■■■■, granny beater etc for the crime you comited and found guilty! end of story,but not a driver now why should this be you get tried twice english justic PHHHAAAAAAAAAA, a farce only air line piolots have more rules than us, if
i arnt against vosa in anyway they are only doing a job like the rest of us some of them are good guys belive it or not, its just the stupid KANGAROO COURTS
they hold should be one or the other not both!! rant over,

orys · 31 January 2009 15:33

Mike-C:
Yeah, you’ll be fine. Just keep your backside inside your window, you know what you lot are like !!

I just imagined a typical Pole pooing from most popular (until recently) polish car…

globby_480 · 31 January 2009 15:36

looks like a prototype for a new daf that
it could also be team shuttlespankers on tour to felixstowe dock aswell

orys · 31 January 2009 15:37

Mike-C:

Ok then. I am running a business and my hobby is to drunk drive on my private land. Can I drunk drive on my own land when customers are visiting me there?

Yeah, you’ll be fine.

OK then. Now seriously. Let’s go step further:

If that’s my private ground can I also drive there with unroadworthy vehicle?

(I know the answer is yes)

So next question: can my customers do the same if I will allow them to?

(I guess the answer is also “yes”)

Let’s say that my business is quite big and I am running a ferry terminal there…

So how in the Earth VOSA can come to MY PRIVATE GROUND and stop MY CUSTOMERS for driving unroadworthy vehicles?

wheel_nut · 31 January 2009 15:40

orys:

Mike-C:

Ok then. I am running a business and my hobby is to drunk drive on my private land. Can I drunk drive on my own land when customers are visiting me there?

Yeah, you’ll be fine.

OK then. Now seriously. Let’s go step further:

If that’s my private ground can I also drive there with unroadworthy vehicle?

(I know the answer is yes)

So next question: can my customers do the same if I will allow them to?

(I guess the answer is also “yes”)

Let’s say that my business is quite big and I am running a ferry terminal there…

So how in the Earth VOSA can come to MY PRIVATE GROUND and stop MY CUSTOMERS for driving unroadworthy vehicles?

Stop being sensible Orys

You are not as Polish as you look

orys · 31 January 2009 15:41

Wheel Nut:
Stop being sensible Orys

You are not as Polish as you look

Poles aren’t sensible?

globby_480 · 31 January 2009 15:42

yes but orys you havent got private land what just so happens to have a ferry port on it and on a serious note if you did have you wouldnt be bother"d if vosa came on your land or not ,as you wouldnt be running clapped out trucks in the first place and making that much money from all and sundrie if you follow me to give a stuff,

gogzy · 31 January 2009 16:48

orys:

Mike-C:
Yeah, you’ll be fine. Just keep your backside inside your window, you know what you lot are like !!

I just imagined a typical Pole pooing from most popular (until recently) polish car…

isnt that the car with 2 engines in it and can drive forwards aswell as backwards?

bosshogg · 31 January 2009 17:33

I hope my colleagues who go on about having enforcement powers read this thread. I, for one, am happy to perform an assistance role. I can see all the goodwill that we are slowly building up with the professional drivers go by the way side. I don’t want an enforcement role, been there, done that, got the spit in the face to prove it

orys · 31 January 2009 17:40

gogzy:

orys:

Mike-C:
Yeah, you’ll be fine. Just keep your backside inside your window, you know what you lot are like !!

I just imagined a typical Pole pooing from most popular (until recently) polish car…

isnt that the car with 2 engines in it and can drive forwards aswell as backwards?

No, this is just some ordinary “maluch”, it just drifts on the bend while this picture was made.

You might think of this one:
lepsze.net/629.losowe

But it has only one engine, but original engine with rear axle was replaced with some driving system from the normal front wheel driven car…

gogzy · 31 January 2009 17:46

thats the one orys
its awesome.

davey_driver · 31 January 2009 18:06

MacDoog:
its really that simple. Rules are there for safety not to make life difficult.

Not according to the news report the other day about the House of Lords,

Lord Taylor:
Rules are there to be Bent !!!

mike-c · 31 January 2009 18:49

orys:

Mike-C:

Ok then. I am running a business and my hobby is to drunk drive on my private land. Can I drunk drive on my own land when customers are visiting me there?

Yeah, you’ll be fine.

OK then. Now seriously. Let’s go step further:

If that’s my private ground can I also drive there with unroadworthy vehicle?

(I know the answer is yes)

So next question: can my customers do the same if I will allow them to?

(I guess the answer is also “yes”)

Let’s say that my business is quite big and I am running a ferry terminal there…

So how in the Earth VOSA can come to MY PRIVATE GROUND and stop MY CUSTOMERS for driving unroadworthy vehicles?

Funnily enough there was a news item about this very recently. The owners of Birkenhead docks refused VOSA permission to come in the dock and check/inspect freight vehicles.

davey_driver · 31 January 2009 20:15

orys:
So how in the Earth VOSA can come to MY PRIVATE GROUND and stop MY CUSTOMERS for driving unroadworthy vehicles?

The point boils down to one thing and one thing only

Who pays for the maintainance of the road?

If it’s the Terminal Owner then they have to grant Vosa Permission to carry out checks but then again, I suppose Vosa could put the legislation into action that they use for any other operator which allows them access to the premises with 7 days? Notice.

If the Roads are maintained by the local authority then Vosa dont need any permission as its public roads despite being on private land.

speedyguy · 31 January 2009 20:32

Wheel Nut:
Recently I have had UK Border Agency staff swearing in public at me. Yes, I can complain.

I wonder if it was the completely useless bint, who left our place after not doing anything except upset everyone when not sat at the computer looking for another civil service job, they came in from a civil service desk jockeys job and moved onto one, i do wonder why we pay our tax to employ some uselesss jobsworths ,

(You may have even heard the name up there Highwayman )

wheel_nut · 31 January 2009 20:36

speedyguy:

Wheel Nut:
Recently I have had UK Border Agency staff swearing in public at me. Yes, I can complain.

I wonder if it was the completely useless bint, who left our place after not doing anything except upset everyone when not sat at the computer looking for another civil service job, they came in from a civil service desk jockeys job and moved onto one, i do wonder why we pay our tax to employ some uselesss jobsworths ,

(You may have even heard the name up there Highwayman )

Quite possible but this was in France. I was picking up an unaccompanied trailer from the trailer park in Calais.

wheel_nut · 31 January 2009 20:44

globby 480:
jumping in here a little far in front but… KANGAROO COURT!!!
if you were a ■■■■■■ “which i aint” or a granny beater "which i aint coz they beat beat me "
you end up in court and dealt with fair and square “so they say”
but ooooh no, not drivers …IE hours offences, etc, you go to court to be punished "so you should " then you have to go to the kangaroo court and be try"d yet again for the same offence or offence"s ■■? now i always thought once you was try"d if you are a robber ,■■■■■■, granny beater etc for the crime you comited and found guilty! end of story,but not a driver now why should this be you get tried twice english justic PHHHAAAAAAAAAA, a farce only air line piolots have more rules than us, if
i arnt against vosa in anyway they are only doing a job like the rest of us some of them are good guys belive it or not, its just the stupid KANGAROO COURTS
they hold should be one or the other not both!! rant over,

I have an opposite opinion but agree about the Traffic Commisionar being able to mete out his or her own justice.

Recently in my local paper there were several court cases involving drivers with an overload. There were probably 7 or 8 cases and each one had a massively different fine and reason for it.

When I read the cases It seemed the bigger the truck, the bigger the fine where in reality the 7.5 tonner is more dangerous with a 500kg overload than a 40 tonner being 2 tonne overloaded. These senile old magistrates who are on life support should be given early retirement or a swiss pill.

Maybe it is time to have a single specialist court for the transport industry.

macdoog · 1 February 2009 10:40

If it’s the Terminal Owner then they have to grant Vosa Permission to carry out checks but then again, I suppose Vosa could put the legislation into action that they use for any other operator which allows them access to the premises with 7 days? Notice.

As youve got a question mark there Davey I can answer your question. VOSA do not need ‘permission’ to enter premises. We can enter operators premises at any reasonable time and no notice is required. This is of course related to gaining possible evidence, impoundings etc etc. Operators visits in the course of licencing etc are obviously booked in advance.

I dont think Ive had too much flak yet and if I do receive some Ive got broad enough shoulders to cope. Its very interesting to see peoples different attitudes on here and all helps with the training!

Ive come across ‘jobsworths’ over the years…security guards, traffic wardens et al. I intend on keeping a common sense approach to enforcement. Ive been educating a few drivers and they seem most appreciative of the chance to get things right.

I will also repeat that my colleagues in my area are more than likely to try and work through the problem rather than slap a meaningless prohibition on. That is not to say that they do not punish drivers that are clearly running bent and will possibly cause carnage on the roads. Then they take great pleasure in getting that driver off the road becuase its about ROAD SAFETY. Drivers can moan all they like but how many times have you read yet again about another family being killed by a rogue driver. I suppose it can be all too easy to become very cynical and assume all drivers are doing something somewhere, but in my eyes you are innocent until proven otherwise. If you arent innocent then watch out. Simple.