Memories.A long story......now even longer!

Hi boys

mushroomman:

dessert driver:
Hi boys

Steve I think you are about right in saying 1984 I remember the agents sending faxes across from French and Belgium ports before you shipped and the theory was you would be cleared before you landed All you had to do was produce your paperwork for the customs to tie things together and away you went. well that was the theory. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: Regards Keith

Hi Keith, I remember being told that by one of the clearing agents in Dover, it was what they had planned for the future. Drivers were falling about on the floor laughing :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: , it was just unbelievable. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Regards Steve.

Steve I didn’t believe it either, in fact if you remember when the customs went computerised it added 24hrs to the clearing time. That was called progress in the 80s :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Regards Keith

Steve I didn’t believe it either, in fact if you remember when the customs went computerisedit added 24hrs to the clearing time. That was called progress in the 80s :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Regards Keith
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Thats amazing Keith, I arrived into Dover the day that they went computerised and the agent described it as The Big Bang.
I can’t remember which year it was but I remember thinking W.T.F. is he on about :confused: .

Regards Steve.

Hi boys
Steve what a coincident that day was the start of the end for me. It added an extra day to a quick trip to France or Belgium and it never got better for months. We must have been there together If you remember there was trucks everywhere. Did you use the staff canteen in the central building,up the steps. far more civilized than the greasy spoon. When you got to know your way around you could go anywhere, security was a joke. Do you remember Jack that run the truck shop, he went on board many a ship to drive trucks off where the driver had had one to many. :smiley: :smiley:

Regards Keith

Late Ninetes driving for Stan Jewitt out of Rix shiping Hull .iLoaded for Lancashire Cirtain sider full load of timber My usual parking place local farmers yard just outside Howden Nr goole kwik check round 5 am in the morning no probs away we went Bitter cold mornin running speed ave motor way 55 plus .
on arrival customers yard parked for discharge curtains drawn i noticed an object on the spare wheel carrier on looking to see what it was i found a HEN yesa Hen sat on the spare wheel she looked dead …wouldent you be after clinging on to a spare wheel for loo plus miles in zero temperatures …I picked the chicken up put her in a card board box near the night heater and revived her so a drink of water was needed i fed her guess what chicken paste sarnies took her back to Hul reloadeed for Liver pool and set off home early finish

Now you maybe realised that parking in a farm yard was how the chiken came to perch on the spare wheel …I was asked when i told this story Wh did the chicken not jump off ? well would you at60 mph on the motor wajy the gist of the story is i saved the life of a chicken and also guess what there were 7 mor chickens sat on the spare when i i went to collect my truck the next morning
including the one who went with me the previous day

Needless to say i made them stay at home Bry Canteen cowboy ?

dessert driver:
Hi boys
Steve what a coincident that day was the start of the end for me. It added an extra day to a quick trip to France or Belgium and it never got better for months. We must have been there together If you remember there was trucks everywhere. Did you use the staff canteen in the central building,up the steps. far more civilized than the greasy spoon. When you got to know your way around you could go anywhere, security was a joke. Do you remember Jack that run the truck shop, he went on board many a ship to drive trucks off where the driver had had one to many. :smiley: :smiley:

Regards Keith

Hi Keith, I am afraid that I didn’t know that there was a staff canteen up the stairs or the name of the guy in The Routiers Truckshop. :frowning:
Meals were always taken on the Zeebrugge to Dover boat as it was a four and a half hour crossing and you were always given a little yellow complimentary meal voucher valued at one pound twenty. Or you could get a French Stick which was half a Bagette which contained a load of lettuce, a slice of tomato and TWO Kraft Cheese Slices in the Dolphin Bar which was in the passenger terminal. A walk to The Albion which was a pub down a little side street, just behind the seafront not too far from the dock gate was another favourite and if all else failed there was a good chippy in the town and on one occasion we went for a Chinky somewhere. This was before The Wheelhouse was built and the drivers canteen was in the same room I.I.R.C. with D.F.C. ( Dover Freight Clearance) D.F.S. (Dover Freight Services) or was it D.F.G. (Dover Freight Group) :confused: I hope that somebody will remember which two it was :wink: .

Regards Steve.

Hi boys
Steve DFC,DFS,DFG youv’e got me going now It is 25years ago. You missed out on the staff canteen, a well keeped secret :smiley: That wheelhouse had a big telly that always seemed to have breakfast TV on. Tried not to spend much time in there to many “bin everywhere drivers” if you know what I mean. Just preferred to get on with the job. When did you start over the water? When we first went in 76, M6 just joined up in Brum No M25 No Canterbury bypass No Jubilee way Makes you think doesn’t it.

Regards Keith

people sat staring at that screen looking for their registration number for hours. I discovered if you went to the Albion, you were always cleared when you got back :stuck_out_tongue:

I must have been much fitter in those days of Dover - Zeebrugge. In that four and half hours, you could get a couple of pints in Dover in Barnacle Bills, a pint of milk and a breadloaf etc. Then a meal on the boat, a quick
chat and then we had time for a shower and a couple of hours on the bunk. That set you up for Geiselwind or DDR

Just noticed that the OP was 6yrs ago, not that it matters, a trip down memory lane is timeless, so thank’s KW, I may be a little late, but as you said, no mobile phones or computers in them days, I had a nightmare getting here honest guv :wink:

The one thing I got from this tale is that despite all the notoriety of the commie bloc borders, the one that got more groans is our very own Dover Eastern Dock :laughing:

Speaking of Telex, I remember having some fun with one, I was a little late for a reload after a cancellation, when I eventually got back to a phone and called in, the boss man was going off on one, I told him I followed the Telex to the letter, it said ‘Go to ■■ stop, load ■■ pieces for ■■ stop, clearance at ■■ stop, agent is ■■ stop…’ With all that stopping I never stood a chance of being on time did I :open_mouth: :laughing:

Hi Keith, the first time that I took an artic over the water through Dover Eastern Docks was in 1979, in a day cabbed Seddon along with an engineer to pick up a machine in West Germany. When they put the machine on it’s trials it wasn’t working to the job specifications. The company put us up in a hotel until they sorted out the problems and we ended up being there for over a week. The engineer was so cheesed off that he ended up flying home.
As a young serviceman stationed in Germany I remember driving my old left hand drive Volkswagen Varient Estate home on four occassions between 1970 / 73 but each time I can only remember going through Western Docks when the A2 went straight through the center of the town. They used to put the train which I think was called The Golden Arrow from London to Paris on the same boat and we docked in Dunkirk and sometimes in Ostend.
Brussels was always a pain in the aris as there was still a lot of cobbled roads about, no ring road, it was badly signposted and poorly lit. In fact I can never remember a time when I never got lost trying to get through Brussels but that could of been due to my poor navigation skills. :blush:
The only trucks that I can remember being on the boat were Lowes of Paddock Wood, one of Hoults Removals and a firm from the West Country called Tuckers.
I bet that I am not the only person on here who was stationed in Germany and used to borrow a couple of Jerry Cans from the M.T. Section, fill them up with petrol using their B.F.G. fuel coupons at a B.P. station and drive all the way home without buying fuel outside Germany. :wink:

Regards Steve.

When did the Jubilee Way come into existence? “dessert driver” mentions that it wasn’t there in '76. I honestly can’t remember when it came into being but I’m pretty sure it was there by 1976 as I recall being pulled over by the old bill at the top of the hill when driving for Simons and I was with them in 75 & 76.

There again it might have been the old route out of Dover that I’m getting confused with :confused:

Hi Ron, I can’t remember The Jubilee Way being there in the early seventies but wait a minute :bulb: when was The Queens Jubilee Year was it 1977.

With Desert Driver saying that the M6 had just passed Brum in 1976 I thought that happened about 1973 as I can remember stoping for lunch many times at Corley Services so maybe I am loseing me marbles.

I am sure that every body can remember their first trip over the water so come on lets hear them :smiley: .

B.T.W. does anybody know if K.W. has arrived home from that Greek trip yet as were are all still waiting to hear about it. :laughing:

Regards Steve.

HI boys
Found this on the net

2009 Bean to Cobham: Phase 2 Dual carriageway realignment and new junction with the A227.
2003 Bean to Cobham: Phase 1 Dual carriageway Widening
1999 Pale Vale Interchange Improved Junction at Pale Vale Interchange.
1999 A256 New Junction on Whitfield Bypass.
1988 Rochester Way Relief Road A relief road for the old Rochester Way.
c1981 Canterbury Bypass D2 Bypass of Canterbury
1977 Jubilee Way Short bypass of Eastern Dover
1977 Whitfield Bypass Short bypass of Whitfield
1972 Second Dartford bypass Dual carriageway bypass of existing bypass.
c1969-72 Rochester Way Dual carriageway upgrade
1969 Singlewell Dual carriageway upgrade
1968 Southfleet to Singlewell & Singlewell to Cobham Dual carriageway upgrade.
1927 Rochester Way New S2 Road bypassing Shooters Hill
November 1924 First Dartford Bypass S2/D2 Bypass of Dartford.
1922 Watling Street: Dartford to Rochester Rebuild of old Roman Road to provide bypass of Gravesend.

From mid 70s till mid 80s there was big changes for us from Whichurch to Dover
Whichurch bypass
Hinstock bypass
Newport bypass
M54
M25 London bypass
A2 Canterbury and Dover bypass

If you remember as the M25 was being built there was bits that were opened and bits of the old road to join them up. It says on the list that the second Dartford crossing opened in 72 but I think it refures to tunnel approach as I don’t recall the bridge till a lot later. Late 80s?

Regards Keith.

Hi boys
Today got me thinking of the days that we shiped out on a Monday and the cafes we used to stop at. After coming out of the Dartford tunnel we used to get off at the first intersection and go down the old road to the Merry Chest or through the Swanscombe cutting and off to the left was a cafe near where Tollgate services are now. If time had gone well we might even have got to the Dunkirk cafe just off the end of the M2. BTW I note on Google Earth the weight bridge is still there,went around the island on the end of the M2 a few times to avoid them :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: . There was another bridge london bound half way between Dover and Dunkirk that was opened about the time Jubilee way was built and very soon was disarmed. Roomer at the time said our Irish friends had helped the ministry bed it in with a bag of cement :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
Any of this excite your memories

Regards Keith.

dessert driver:
Hi boys
Today got me thinking of the days that we shiped out on a Monday and the cafes we used to stop at. After coming out of the Dartford tunnel we used to get off at the first intersection and go down the old road to the Merry Chest or through the Swanscombe cutting and off to the left was a cafe near where Tollgate services are now. If time had gone well we might even have got to the Dunkirk cafe just off the end of the M2. BTW I note on Google Earth the weight bridge is still there,went around the island on the end of the M2 a few times to avoid them :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: . There was another bridge london bound half way between Dover and Dunkirk that was opened about the time Jubilee way was built and very soon was disarmed. Roomer at the time said our Irish friends had helped the ministry bed it in with a bag of cement :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
Any of this excite your memories

Regards Keith.

Much later than your days, but my favorite stop was a cafe in the trees, near Cobham I think, lovely sausage butties and proper mugs of tea. From there it was down to the garage on the roundabout at Whitfield where we could buy a case of coca-cola for very little money. This was used to quench thirst and was a valuable tool in Czech and Yugoslavia for traffic fines.

After dropping the trailer that I’d bought back from Yugoslavia in Felixstowe it was a quick trip home in the unit for clean clothes,food and money.
Then over to our yard in Ipswich to pick up the trailer that had been loaded for Zagreb and Athens.No belly tank on this one as it’s a rental trailer so Fred hands over a wad of cash for running money (actually I had to prise it from his fingers as he doesn’t like parting with money!) then it’s down to Dover for the boat to Ostend.
I never was a big fan of the Dover-Ostend crossing,the cabins were down in the murky,smelly bowels of the ship and as well as the food not being up to much,the crew were downright un-friendly.But such is life.

Belgium was it’s usual-self,nothing to speak about,except to remember to exit the Brussls ring just by the Atomium and re-enter.At that time the bridge at that exit was quite low and there was always a danger of clouting it as you went under so we always went off and on again.
Aachen,the usual sorting out of paperwork and dreading the tank-schein in case you were a bit over,but all went well.
And so after an overnight stop it was down through Germany to the Austrian border at Freilassing and those nice friendly Austrian customs men.

After queueing up for nearly an hour,the curtain draws back and I hand the papers over,and stand and wait.And wait.And wait.
An hour later the curtain draws back again and the papers are thrown out at me and the man say’s ‘Nix Gut’! Before I can ask him what the problem is,the curtain is closed again and he’s gone,so I bang on the window and ask what the problem is.No reply,so I wander off to find an agent to look through them and see if they can see what the problem is,and they say there’s nothing wrong with any of it.
So I go back into the customs hall and queue up again,at a different window this time,and after another hour’s waiting I hand the paper’s over to a different customs officer and within twenty minutes he’s handed them back all stamped and signed!Marvellous!

Apart from the Austrian customs,I find Austria a lovely place to drive through,nice scenery,good roads and the food ain’t bad either.
And so I press on down the A10 turning off on to the 308 and past Schladming.
Schladming is not only famous for hosting the winter Olympics but also for the Destination Doha film,as it was here that John Williams and the rest of the troop spent a weekend skiing on their way to Doha.

The day see’s me moving ever eastwards past Graz and to the Austrian-Yugo border at Spielfeld.
The Austrian side goes very smoothly,the Yugo side is made up of several wooden huts where at the first you hand in the paper’s where they work out transit-tax according to weight etc.they then give you a slip of paper with the amount on which you must pay.You then have to take this to the next hut which is the bank,there you must change either US dollars,D-marks or pounds sterling into Yugo dinars,and it’s no use trying to use any dinars left over from a previous trip,you have to change exactly the amount on the slip of paper,which they stamp,and then it’s back to the first hut to hand over the money and show them the receipt.
When that’s done it’s passport control then cabin control,where they will try to relieve you of anything that catches their eye.Though I’ve never smoked in my life,I always carry a few hundred ■■■■ to smooth things over in just this sort of situation.
The barrier is finally lifted and I’m off down the road to Intereuropa in Zagreb.

The next morning I hand in the paper’s bright and early and am unloading various bits of groupage within a couple of hours,then it’s time to get the trailer re-sealed and the carnet stamped and make tracks for Belgrade.
Tonight I will be feasting on steak and chips washed down with a few beers at the Hotel National.
Arriving at the Hotel National late evening I meet up with several Brit’s who are either going to or coming back from the Gulf and a good time is had by all and I finally creep back to the cab just after midnight,avoiding the ladies of the night of course

The next morning I awake with a headache,I can’t think why?
After a wash and a coffee I bid farewell to the National and start my way east again,passing Belgrade and onward to Nis,where I split right for Greece and the other’s go left for Bulgaria.The sun is out and everything is going well,even if I am a bit behind schedule after this morning’s late start.
It’s late afternoon when I decide to pull in between Skopje and Titov Veles and make a sandwich and have a brew.

And so it’s back on the road once again,arriving at the Yugo-Greek border of Gevgelija/Evzoni in the evening and I decide to do the border tonight as it’s quiet.
Which is a good move as it turned out,because just after I crawl out of bed around 10am a couple of Brits arrive who say it has taken them five hours to get through.

At the Shell station on the Greek side of the border I meet up with some more Brits,two of which are on their way back from Baghdad.They are two oldish guy’s,each with a 2800 DAF,and it turns out they alway’s run together.One of them offer’s to make me a cup of tea,and just as I am going to accept,his mate is standing behind him shaking his head ‘No!’ so I decline his kind offer.
His mate then tells me on the quiet that the pan he uses for making tea is the one he uses for everything else,cooking,washing and even as a toilet during the night
Phew! That was lucky.
And so just before lunch I bid farewell to everyone and start making my way south,yet again behind schedule.

It then takes me the rest of the day and into the night to drive past Thessalonika,Larisa and Lamia to Pireaus and find the customs compound.
The next morning I hand my paper’s in to the agent who tells me to come back Monday morning (This is now Friday morning) so if I hadn’t have hung around so much I may have got cleared today.But what the hell,why worry about it when the job takes weeks rather than day’s!
So it’s back to the parking and say Hi! to some other driver’s who are also there for the weekend.There are a couple of lads from Kelly Freight,one from Lagan Transport,one from Swains of Stretton and a couple of guys from Cammel Wagon,all with fridges,I’m the only one with a tilt!

I get chatting to Tony,one of the Cammel Wagon driver’s,who tells me that the other driver is a Dutchman and it’s his first trip abroad.
“It’ll be his last trip too,if I have anything to do with it!” say’s Tony.
Apparently the Dutch driver has been on the beer ever since they left the UK,even when driving,and has been right up to Tony’s back-bumper all the way down.So Tony has phoned his boss in Dagenham and told him that as soon as they get back the Dutchman has to go.

We all wander over to the bar in the evening to partake in a beer or two,or three,or several as it turned out! While we’re sitting there putting the world to right’s the inn-keeper comes over with a plate of grey matter and say’s ‘On the house,eat!’ to which Eddie,the Lagan driver replies “Ah! Calamari,oi love this stuff” and starts tucking into it,as do the other’s.
‘Aren’t you having any?’,asks Eddie,well it didn’t look very appetising,but in for a penny as they say.It wasn’t bad,in fact it was quite good,but I still didn’t know what the hell it was!

The next morning we decide to walk into town and find a supermarket to buy some potatoes and onions,the guy’s that are still loaded have hanging beef on board for the American bases,so we are going to dine on steak the rest of ther weekend.
On the way to the supermarket we pass the bar we had been in the night before,and outside on chairs drying in the sun are some sqiud,“Ugh! I say,look at that,they’re disgusting!” At which point everyone starts laughing,Hah! say’s Eddie,‘You didn’t mind eating it last night,that’s Calamari!’
Oh god I feel ill

We find a supermarket and pick out some spuds and onions,while we are doing this Tony’s mate,the Dutchman,has picked up a bottle of whisky and stuffed it inside his jacket! Tony tells him to put it back as he’ll get us all locked up,but he just walks out of the door with it as bold as brass!
While we are paying for our groceries,the Dutchman strolls back in,bottle in hand and asks the checkout girl for a bag to put the whisky in,which she gives him.
When we get back to the trucks Tony has a real go at his mate,and as things start getting out of hand we intervene to calm Tony down.But what he say’s is right,we could all have ended up in gaol because of his stupidity.

That evening we cook in the back of one of the empty fridges,steak,chips and fried onions washed down with copious amounts of beer.Luvvly jubbly!

Next morning,after steak for breakfast,the Swains driver and myself fancy a bit of sight-seeing,so seeing as some of the other’s who are empty will be leaving for Patras at lunchtime,we bid them farewell and wish them a safe journey.
I drop my trailer and we make our way across Athens to visit the Acropolis,where I park the truck in the coach parkand have my pic taken
then it’s back to base camp for our evening meal.Of steak and chips.Again.

Sightseeing

My hair used to be dark,with the odd grey hair.Now it’s the complete opposite!

Monday morning and it’s back into the agent to see how things are progressing.Apparently I will be cleared today and can unload tomorrow.
So I have to spend the rest of the day amusing myself and doing cab-control.
The other’s left early this morning to unload and they will then drive up to Patras for the ferry to Ancona.

Tuesday morning and I’m empty by 10am,telex the office for instructions and am told to reload tyres in Kranj,Yugoslavia.Which is a long way to run empty,but they are doing the planning!


On the way back up from Athens

Tuesday evening once again see’s me at the border with Yugoslavia,this time I’m the only Brit here,so no need to hang around.I park for the night near Titov Veles and put a tin of sausages in the pan for a couple of sarnies.

Wednesday see’s me once again at the Hotel National in Belgrade,I just take a coffee and a sandwich as after stuffing myself silly on steak all weekend I can’t stomach another one for a day or two.I check all the telex’s on the reception desk to see if any of our trucks will be passing through,but the only one for us is over a week old,so he must be delayed somewhere or taken another route.

It is Thurday afternoon when I arrive at the Sava tyre factory in Kranj and have to wait until tomorrow morning to load.I find a restaurant in the village and meet up with a Dutch driver who is also loading at Sava,for two drops in Germany and one in Holland.He does the same trip every week.
Tonight it’s chicken,getting fed up with steak and chips.

Friday morning and we load complete with car tyres,and then have to wait until late afternoon for the customs to arrive and sort out the carnet.Or so we thought,the customs man didn’t arrive at all,apparently it was his son’s birthday and couldn’t be bothered.
So Saturday morning he arrives just after 11am and within twenty minutes we are on our way to the Austrian border at Ljubelj where we make the papers
and try to get as far as we can before the weekend ban,which is where we are now.At the border.
It’s a holiday in Austia today so we are stuck here until Sunday night.Marvellous.
The rest of Saturday is spent in a drunken stupor whilst we drown our sorrow’s and once again put the world to right’s.

Sunday night and we are the first ones away from the border as Klagenfurt and Villach speed past the window,and on through the Tauern tunnel
before we make a stop for some sleep.
It’s afternoon before we are cleared and through the German border and time for an overnight stop.For me at least,the Dutch driver has to make up time and so he presses on to catch up on his schedule.

As for me,the rest of the trip went as it should do and I arrived in Dover,cleared and tipped in east London,then home emptyto take a well earned break.Well,for a couple of day’s anyway.
Then it was off again.

Now,quit your whingeing :wink:


yay at last ken.great story and pics glad i dug that one up again more stories please and pics :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Five years between trips :exclamation: You must’ve been on bloody good money :laughing:

Nice one KW, you’re on a roll now, so let’s have another, I’ll be checking for it in 2016 :wink:

Hi Keith, thanks for taking the time to share that story with us, it was well worth waiting for :smiley: .
It certainly brought back a few memories for me like that low bridge near The Atomium where you had to divert over the top of it, up the slip road through the lights and down the otherside was it marked 3.7 metres :confused: .
And whatever happened to my Pyhrn Tunnel sticker and my Pudding Shop sticker along with all the other ones that we were given along the way :frowning: I wish that I would of kept them all now.
There were a lot of Brit drivers who woke up at The National with a sore head the following morning so you probably ate a dodgy chip with your mixed grill :laughing: .
B.T.W. they still haven’t finished building that Acropolis yet, the scaffolding is still there.

Regards Steve.

Well, it seems that I was a bit out with the Jubilee Way opening date so I must have still been driving out of Dover on the old route in 1976.

It frightens me sometimes the memory gaps I seem to have. I first went over the water (with a wagon) with a firm called Howells and Reavells doing regular Italy and I can remember little things like having to reverse on to the boat at Dover (this would be around 1973/74) but H&R often shipped out through Southampton and for the life of me I can’t remember anything of the procedures of shipping out through that dock or the boats we used at that time…the only thing I can recall on that route is paying the toll on the Tankerville Bridge! I’ll have to get in touch with ‘Rattlesnake Dave’ who posts on this site and was on the same firm. He can perhaps jog my memory.

Hi boys
Ron I have problems with the old brain box sometimes. I remember reversing on the old rail ships that run out of western dock and there was one that sailed out of eastern dock but cannot remember its name I think it used to run to Dunkirque but may be wrong. I do remember the old Irish cattle steam boats that were converted to roro the British Rail Sealink Earl Seaward and the Earl Leafric both flat bottomed and no stableizers Nearly as bad as the TruckLine ferry from Pool :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp: Had to back on Chartis for a few months after it hit the dock wall one night and they it run with the front door open until it was time for a refit. And we all know what happens when you run with the door open, how lucky were we. :frowning: Did most ports but only remember coming into Southampton once.
Soon after Jubilee way was opened do you remember they extended eastern dock by reclaiming some of the sea and building extra linkspans for loading upstairs. And while were on the subject do you remember the old Calais dock before they built the new terminal ?
Someone mentioned bad meals on the Ostend boats did anyone ever manage to eat the dish water they called soup on the Prince Albert,if you weren’t feeling ill before you went for your meal you definetly would be after :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
Regards Keith.