Colin_scottish:
And curryfart hijacks another topic
It’s a forum it’s mean’t for intelligent discussion.Feel free to make an input.Oh wait.
Great so now all you need to do is to take yourself off to Iraq and Iran and Saudi and tell them that while drinking a can of Carlsberg and eating a ham sandwich.Bearing in mind we’re all tolerant peace loving people’s of a world without borders. 
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Why not get your wife to walk ahead and tell them for you! 
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at least if he did that,he wouldn’t need to be worried about landmines??,
Back to the original topic. Isis has claimed the murdering barsteward was one of their supporters. Now if this is true the French should really hunt these radicals down in France and send them over to ISIS in Syria where the Kurds are doing a good job of killing these scum. On the news the bleeding heart BBC said he had a mental illness yes he certainly had he had a pathological hatred of decency. The man who shot Jo whoever was said to have a mental illness but there was no excuse made for him and rightly so. Why are people almost afraid to speak out about muslims because if they do they get arrested on a hate crime charge. Well ■■■■ me if that wasn’t a hate crime he committed. Tunisians muslims are great supporters of these Islamic scum.
84 innocents killed by a mad murdering piece of ■■■■■ has made me so angry that I am now so very full of rage against the musim communities who stay silent. They can march for sharia law but not against this. Time for them to take a stand and show they are worthy of living in europe.
Sorry about the rant but I am angry
Sooner or later people are going to realize that Islam itself when left unchecked and unmarked in our society - is incompatible with western Judeo-Christian culture.
Look at the situation in Turkey - and how it’s being mis-reported…
The west thinks the incumbent “Democratically elected” government is the bees knees…
The Turkish establishment is being taken over by Islam before our very eyes - and the moment there is any kind of popular uprising - even one with military backing - we get told that these people are all in the wrong…
That’ll be Government, Muslim Males, and Institutionalized Islam on one side - and Secular Families, Westernized Women, Orthodox Christians, and non-practicing Muslims on the other.
Who’s the “bad guys” now then?
The time when all Turkish people could live together in peace - is fast coming to an end. Once Islam takes the country Meccawards again, we face ever more of an exodus from the Christian community and Secular Muslims in the Balkan Peninsular in particular. Attaturk wanted a secular nation. It’s being taken away “all nice and democratically”. 
The Military really needed Russia’s help to pull this off - but the government of Turkey being able to run under the skirts of NATO - prevents Russia from doing anything beyond minor black ops right now. The “East Ukraine” option is not available to Putin this time around - too many people are watching him like hawks for him to make such a move.
Meanwhile, back among the soon-to-be-oppressed secular Turkish Public - No one body of people can stack-rig polls like a bunch of hard-line Muslim males who don’t let their kids out at night, and keep their women tied to the kitchen sink. These would be the guys standing and laying down in front of tanks… Looks great for Propaganda TV - but ask yourself what’s happening out of sight? Hundreds killed already… Who? Who BY even? 
What happens next in Turkey - will start happening all over Europe next, and eventually will flare up in the UK when the Muslim communities here actively and openly block their more moderate people from influencing politics. Sharia Law is only the tip of the iceberg.
Watch Switzerland to see if our attempts to “push back” this process - come to anything. 
Winseer:
Sooner or later people are going to realize that Islam itself when left unchecked and unmarked in our society - is incompatible with western Judeo-Christian culture.Look at the situation in Turkey - and how it’s being mis-reported…
The west thinks the incumbent “Democratically elected” government is the bees knees…
The Turkish establishment is being taken over by Islam before our very eyes - and the moment there is any kind of popular uprising - even one with military backing - we get told that these people are all in the wrong…
That’ll be Government, Muslim Males, and Institutionalized Islam on one side - and Secular Families, Westernized Women, Orthodox Christians, and non-practicing Muslims on the other.
Who’s the “bad guys” now then?
The time when all Turkish people could live together in peace - is fast coming to an end. Once Islam takes the country Meccawards again, we face ever more of an exodus from the Christian community and Secular Muslims in the Balkan Peninsular in particular. Attaturk wanted a secular nation. It’s being taken away “all nice and democratically”.
Meanwhile, back among the soon-to-be-oppressed secular Turkish Public - No one body of people can stack-rig polls like a bunch of hard-line Muslim males who don’t let their kids out at night, and keep their women tied to the kitchen sink. These would be the guys standing and laying down in front of tanks… Looks great for Propaganda TV - but ask yourself what’s happening out of sight? Hundreds killed already… Who? Who BY even?
What happens next in Turkey - will start happening all over Europe next, and eventually will flare up in the UK when the Muslim communities here actively and openly block their more moderate people from influencing politics. Sharia Law is only the tip of the iceberg.
To be fair we don’t know exactly who the rebel faction is or who they are being led by.I think I heard something along the lines of it possibly being a Shia v Sunni argument not secular v Islam ?.Assuming it’s the latter and the EU etc is supporting Erdogan we could face the unbelievable possibility of Nationalist European and secular Turkish v a Eurasian Federal force takeover of Europe.It being a lottery where Russia stands on that.Although bad history with Hungary etc suggests Russia would just stand back laughing.shock: 
Lets hope Russia realises the vast majority of normal western people (no not the chatterati, us real working bods) don’t believe the anti Putin/Russia propaganda being force fed the western populations, i have a sneaky feeling Russia Hungary Bulgaria Poland etc could yet end up the only relatively safe european countries to live in the not too distant future.
Not at all sure our own people are in any fit state mentally or physically or prepared in any way to defend our country against what’s coming, we’ve got millions who only watch listen to or read the versions that have been sanitised propagandised and spun.
Carryfast:
I think the bit you’ve missed is that the Russians were going against the mainstream Islamic tide in the region and just like the US support of the Shah in Iran 'that’s what kicked the Russians out in just the same way that the Islamic revolution kicked the US and the Shah out of Iran.Although yes I agree not putting the Socialist Capitalist animosity to one side and not helping the Russians in Afghan was a mistake.Would it have made any difference to the situation of Islamic fundamentalism winning out in the region.No.
I don’t think Afghan affairs would have had any obvious influence on the politics of the region as a whole. But it seems reasonable to think that we might not later have had to dispose of Bin Laden and the Taliban, if we had not helped organise them, and that fundamentalist influences would have been lesser.
In Saddam’s case, almost the opposite was true. His regime was Western-looking. If he was any military threat, it was purely in his own part of the world. We had curtailed his Gulf War excesses with limited, decisive military action in the early 90s, and by the 00s the regime seemed to be settled down and complying with international law. The destruction of his regime was purely vindictive, a mistake of utmost gravity.
Both Afghanistan and Iraq are examples of where, well within living memory, Western powers have shifted sides more than once causing wars and changes of regime - the end result is the scarring of the civil population, and that nobody (not even the moderates!) likes or trusts the West.
As for Syria we should have actually stayed neutral and left it to the Russian sphere of influence in that Assad is as moderate as it gets in that part of the world.Israel is our main/only ally there and is fully capable of looking after western interests in the region.The problem in that case being historic Socialist hostility to the right of the State of Israel to exist.
Socialists are not hostile to Israel’s right to exist - originally Israel was socialist!
Juddian:
Lets hope Russia realises the vast majority of normal western people (no not the chatterati, us real working bods) don’t believe the anti Putin/Russia propaganda being force fed the western populations, i have a sneaky feeling Russia Hungary Bulgaria Poland etc could yet end up the only relatively safe european countries to live in the not too distant future.Not at all sure our own people are in any fit state mentally or physically or prepared in any way to defend our country against what’s coming, we’ve got millions who only watch listen to or read the versions that have been sanitised propagandised and spun.
The key question in that is Putin really a reformed Soviet Socialist,now Nationalist ready to respect the right of self determination of others.With Putin seeming to be a bit too close to Merkel for some reason when they’d be expected to be as far apart as Putin is v Erdogan.While Trump seems the better option than Obama on the question of Merkel’s etc Eurasian Federal project.
The whole Eurasian project and the question of where Russia and Eastern Europe really stands is a cluster zb of epic proportions.With us not even being able to trust the motives of our own government in that regard bearing in mind that May seems to be just another Cameron type Merkel and Juncker puppet.
On that note I wouldn’t rule out a Russian/East European/Islamic double cross in which Merkel is acting true to form loyal East German stasi ally to KGB Putin.Bearing in mind at least Russia and Serbia would probably regard that as payback for Western actions in support of the Islamic cause in Yugoslavia and Afghanistan.In which case the Erdogan v Putin animosity could just be an act regards the real agenda of a Russian/East Euro/Islamic alliance wipe out/takeover of Western Europe.
By the way, i worked today and seldom listen to the radio, but happened to have it on Smooth at some point mid afternoon on the way back when the news came on, wish i bloody hadn’t.
What stuck in my craw and had me hurling obcenities at the radio was the up to date report about Nice and now the scum who did this was described as a ‘‘lorry driver’’, not terrorist scum bag or any of the hundred of unprintable descriptions i’ve got for the low life, no he was a lorry driver apparently.
Just thought you’d like to know.
Carryfast:
So you’re saying we should have stayed neutral in the Russian backed Iraqi attack on western oil interests in Kuwait and obviously Saudi.On that note Ironically I would have supported that but probably not for the same reasons as you would have done.
The Gulf War was a traditional military campaign - soldiers fighting soldiers, states going to war in an orderly fashion, and finishing in an orderly fashion.
Having said that how does any of that have any connection with an ethnic North African carrying out such an attack in France.Bearing in mind that you’re saying it has nothing to do with any perceived allegiance of the attacker,with any faction in the Middle East,based on Islam.
Did you miss the ructions in Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt during the “Arab spring”, and then the stab in the back when the West first encouraged and then turned on the same forces in Syria?
I admit I don’t know the precise connection in the mind of the latest assailant or his history, but clearly North Africa has now been radicalised and workable regimes toppled when none of it was necessary for our agenda.
And indeed, the priority of our agenda must be to cease causing any more damage and allow regimes in the Middle East and North Africa to resolidify.
The perceived price of intervention must rise in the minds of Western politicians - they must ask themselves whether the threat is so grave as to justify, say, a trillion pounds of costs. Clearly, there are some threats that do justify that sort of burdensome expense, but 80 deaths don’t.
Like I’ve said, we must hold our nerve, continue to abide by our liberal principles, and our overarching solution to these atrocities must be to allow the Middle Eastern (and as you say, North African) regions to settle down again, like taking the chip pan off the burner and letting it cool (rather than trying to force it to cool by throwing water).
Rjan:
In Saddam’s case, almost the opposite was true. His regime was Western-looking. If he was any military threat, it was purely in his own part of the world. We had curtailed his Gulf War excesses with limited, decisive military action in the early 90s, and by the 00s the regime seemed to be settled down and complying with international law. The destruction of his regime was purely vindictive, a mistake of utmost gravity.Both Afghanistan and Iraq are examples of where, well within living memory, Western powers have shifted sides more than once causing wars and changes of regime - the end result is the scarring of the civil population, and that nobody (not even the moderates!) likes or trusts the West.
As for Syria we should have actually stayed neutral and left it to the Russian sphere of influence in that Assad is as moderate as it gets in that part of the world.Israel is our main/only ally there and is fully capable of looking after western interests in the region.The problem in that case being historic Socialist hostility to the right of the State of Israel to exist.
Socialists are not hostile to Israel’s right to exist - originally Israel was socialist!
Let’s just say that whatever Jewish/Israeli relationship with Socialism might or might not have been.The two obviously had/have issues going back to the Stalinist v Trotskyite factions.Eventually reaching the obvious conclusion that for ‘some’ reason Russia/Warsaw Pact decided it wanted to use proxy Arab forces to ‘take out’ Israel totally in 1973 having failed in 1967.While we also know where the main Labour Party players even here stand on the issue of Arab v Israeli relations.
As for Iraq no it was a Soviet Russian supported and armed puppet state then and after with our interests in the region being pre Islamic revolutionary Iran.
Although it’s anyone’s guess how the West saw Saudi as a replacement ally in the region in that regard.It’s that dodgy ‘alliance’ with a bunch of wahabbist savages,together with that of Turkey,which is probably the biggest mistake in our naive relations with the Islamic world.Not the arguable issue of GW2 in which our involvement in GW1 was/is the bigger question.When our interests would have been best served by letting Iraq and Saudi fight it out and only ‘then’ going for the probably weakened Iraqi winner.
Rjan:
Carryfast:
So you’re saying we should have stayed neutral in the Russian backed Iraqi attack on western oil interests in Kuwait and obviously Saudi.On that note Ironically I would have supported that but probably not for the same reasons as you would have done.The Gulf War was a traditional military campaign - soldiers fighting soldiers, states going to war in an orderly fashion, and finishing in an orderly fashion.
Having said that how does any of that have any connection with an ethnic North African carrying out such an attack in France.Bearing in mind that you’re saying it has nothing to do with any perceived allegiance of the attacker,with any faction in the Middle East,based on Islam.
Did you miss the ructions in Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt during the “Arab spring”, and then the stab in the back when the West first encouraged and then turned on the same forces in Syria?
I admit I don’t know the precise connection in the mind of the latest assailant or his history, but clearly North Africa has now been radicalised and workable regimes toppled when none of it was necessary for our agenda.
And indeed, the priority of our agenda must be to cease causing any more damage and allow regimes in the Middle East and North Africa to resolidify.
The perceived price of intervention must rise in the minds of Western politicians - they must ask themselves whether the threat is so grave as to justify, say, a trillion pounds of costs. Clearly, there are some threats that do justify that sort of burdensome expense, but 80 deaths don’t.
Like I’ve said, we must hold our nerve, continue to abide by our liberal principles, and our overarching solution to these atrocities must be to allow the Middle Eastern (and as you say, North African) regions to settle down again, like taking the chip pan off the burner and letting it cool (rather than trying to force it to cool by throwing water).
The only difference between GW1 v GW2 was that we invaded the country as part of a campaign of regime change.If we’re going to say that GW2 was unwarranted then obviously the same applies in the case of GW1.Especially bearing in mind that staying out of GW1 would have had the beneficial effect of taking out the wahabbist agenda and weakening/spreading the Iraqi forces.To the point where it would have been a walk over to take Saddam out and disarm and pacify Iraq after that.
As for the motivation of any of the immigrant community to go for payback regards what might or might not have happened in their home country v the host country.That seems to totally defeat the bs idea used by the bleeding heart appeasers that the immigrant community supposedly owes its allegiance to and is part of their host country whether on the basis of jus Soli or Naturalisation.
You can’t have it both ways.If it’s all supposedly about payback for attacks on a country they are supposedly no longer loyal to,based on split allegiance,then repatriation is obviously the only answer.So which is it ?.Bearing in mind the analogy would be like ethnic German Americans attacking their own country in/after WW1/2 because they viewed Dresden and Hamburg etc as a war crime.
Juddian:
By the way, i worked today and seldom listen to the radio, but happened to have it on Smooth at some point mid afternoon on the way back when the news came on, wish i bloody hadn’t.What stuck in my craw and had me hurling obcenities at the radio was the up to date report about Nice and now the scum who did this was described as a ‘‘lorry driver’’, not terrorist scum bag or any of the hundred of unprintable descriptions i’ve got for the low life, no he was a lorry driver apparently.
Just thought you’d like to know.
I’ve already posted on this… We are to be the scapegoats because our authorities just cannot and will not admit that Islam itself is the enemy of western civilization - and has been for some time.
Like I said earlier too… What happens when white average age 54 truckers don’t get to drive wagons into London at all - with all the deliveries now being done by puddle jumpers, luton boxes, and 7.5tonners that just happen to be driven by a large majority of male muslims? Same applies to these cars displaying the TFL sticker “For private hire only”.
Already a large number of women dare not use these “public services” at night…
Oh, but I can’t say that can I - I’ll be drummed out of my seat! -Good job I’m not a politician then! 
He was a van driver not a lorry driver. But somehow calling him a lorry driver because he hired one to kill people makes better headlines than a common van driver. I think it is time we stopped pandering to the muslims here do as Australia did and tell them they came here so abide by our rules we didn’t invite you so if you don’t like our way of life leave and go home. We should be very firm on that. God I am being non pc here and I don’t care.
Cant wait to see the cctv footage from street cameras of this “atrocity” or is this the only street in the world that folk dont get spyed on?
Or will the cameras have had a “glitch” two minutes before the cartoon started.
Thats the usual story.
Now we got the story this was an ice cream truck without a chiller unit!
IN bloody Nice ,in July, they really are takin the ■■■■ now.
The method some use for applying for planning permission for mosques in the uk is, unusual to say the least. Last year. Took the government 16 years to sort this out. I wonder how long they take without the death threats?
Bking:
Cant wait to see the cctv footage from street cameras of this “atrocity” or is this the only street in the world that folk dont get spyed on?
Or will the cameras have had a “glitch” two minutes before the cartoon started.
Thats the usual story.Now we got the story this was an ice cream truck without a chiller unit!
IN bloody Nice ,in July, they really are takin the ■■■■ now.
Well this post confirms one thing. Ive had my suspicions after the whole holocaust stuff but this one here proves it
Bking is just a troll looking for attention. Lets not feed him and maybe he’ll go away and die somewhere
Trolling to get reactions by insulting other forum members is one thing but doing it with something like this is the work of a weirdo
Bking:
Cant wait to see the cctv footage from street cameras of this “atrocity” or is this the only street in the world that folk dont get spyed on?
Or will the cameras have had a “glitch” two minutes before the cartoon started.
Thats the usual story.Now we got the story this was an ice cream truck without a chiller unit!
IN bloody Nice ,in July, they really are takin the ■■■■ now.
OH NO! THE NEW WORLD ORDER STRIKES AGAIN! Is that what you are saying? That this was a false flag event?
switchlogic:
Bking:
Cant wait to see the cctv footage from street cameras of this “atrocity” or is this the only street in the world that folk dont get spyed on?
Or will the cameras have had a “glitch” two minutes before the cartoon started.
Thats the usual story.Now we got the story this was an ice cream truck without a chiller unit!
IN bloody Nice ,in July, they really are takin the ■■■■ now.OH NO! THE NEW WORLD ORDER STRIKES AGAIN! Is that what you are saying? That this was a false flag event?
It’s the government, they’re trying to bring down the lorry industry as an attempt to quash the rumbling working classes. I heard Teresa May is a robot controlled by radio from Germany. That’s why she was silent during the referendum. They were charging her batteries up. ■■■■■■■■.
" Cant wait to see the cctv footage…".
Oddly enough, I have no desire at all to watch a very sad and disturbed coward mow children down with a LGV.
Must be something wrong with me.