The real Biffo:
Typical of Trucknet, it’s all the fault of the HE.
The HE didn’t push the bloody wagon over, but they had to get a fork truck to the scene then unload it whilst it was on it’s side, then the recovery had to right it and recover it, the syrup had then to be cleaned up, only to find that it had deteriorated the road surface so 2 lanes needed resurfacing. they don’t have all these things waiting around the corner ready for when you lot decide to play dodgems!
Go on then, blame it on the HE, not the steering wheel attendant that rolled it in the first place. Never the fault of you bumper-sniffing, elephant racing steering wheel attendants!
Biffo , wind your neck in!! There has been an incident agreed, BUT and seeing as you are such an expert you can answer this, why so long to clean up the mess? Why not have at least one lane open? there’s no evidence to protect. Lorry goes over, no fatals, no need for pics. Put lorry up right, clean up mess, resume normal activities. You have to agree that you will be criticised and moaned at because HE will always make the situation worse that it really is.
HE, or whatever they want to call themselves now, make a mountain, nay a Giant mountain out of an ant hill on certain incidents, (not helped of course sometimes by the ever professional boys in blue that patrol our highways) .
Christ, a car breaks down on the approach to the Dartford tunnel or bridge and all lanes get shut down for HOW LONG before it’s cleared ■■?
The real Biffo:
Typical of Trucknet, it’s all the fault of the HE.
Go on then, blame it on the HE, not the steering wheel attendant that rolled it in the first place. Never the fault of you bumper-sniffing, elephant racing steering wheel attendants!
the accident is not the fault of the H.E.the acident is the fault of whoever caused it,or possibly just one of those things called an accident. the resulting delay is invariably the fault of the wombles kicking the ■■■ right out of every ott gobstick h&s excersise imaginable to flog it to death and cause the maximum delay and inconvenience ( no doubt acting withing the designated directives and operating procedures).joe bloggs gets a puncture and sits on the hard shoulder…no drama ,nobody cares.as soon as the wombles show up then its instant 6 mile tailback/gridlock,at least lane 1 closed…then guaranteed on the opposite carrigeway theres another few shunts with rubberneckers wondering what the drama is.and so it goes on.and on,and on.years ago they just dragged the crap onto the hard shoulder and kept the lanes open asap with no drama…how hard can that be …
The real Biffo:
The HE is Highways England, not Highways Agency.
Ok, so it didn’t need resurfacing, but lets go through what PROBABLY had to happen;…
Reports to police or HE about a HGV overturned at J19, M6 N/B, found on CCTV to be in the roadworks area. The National Control Centre would be informed, and working on past experience of over-turned HGVs, would guess a “clear-up” time, putting this on the website and out to the media, this would need to be adjusted as the incident progresses.
Deployed to the incident; HE Traffic officers, police, ambulance, fire, roadworks safety officer (This part of network under control of contractor whilst r/works in place)
On arrival, any injuries dealt with by fire & ambo, casualties removed from scene. Police investigate incident, possible trained investigator required to scene (maybe not to this as only minor injuries stated)
Additional traffic officers deployed from other parts of network, Traffic Management truck required to implement full closure of c/way & overlay traffic officers small cones, sending traffic up & over, TM vehicle would have probably had to attend from either, Westhoughton (J6,M61) Bredbury (J25,M60) or possible roadworks contractor had one available, otherwise one would need to be taken off another job somewhere on the network to attend.
Roadworks contractor would not have resources for a fork truck and skip lorry to attend, so the fork truck from one of the above depots (Westhoughton or Bredbury) skip lorry from an outside source - stand-by driver would need to be contacted at home to go pick up the skip & attend. Fork truck driver would be busy on some other road works on the network and would need to be stood down from that, sent to one of the above depots to pick up low loader with fork truck,
It would also be noted that there is a spillage of syrup & diesel on the c/way, another HE contractors driver (& there aren’t many of them on nights!) would have to be taken off the work that he’s presently on to return to the deport to unload a salt spreading lorry of salt, then reload it with sand, it may also need another contractor driver to drive the sweeper, or this could have been an outside firm with their driver on stand-by at home called in. Each of these vehicle would then need to get to the site.
The roadworks free recovery would not be able to deal with righting the HGV, but would need to call in two cranes as well as a heavy recovery (sometimes a low-loader) again these need to get to the scene.
The recovery operation to right the HGV could only take place when the load has been removed from the HGV and either loaded it onto another HGV or into the skip.
Once the HGV is righted, it can then be recovered.
The syrup now needs to be dealt with, sand is spread onto it from the gritter then basically hand mixed with shovels until most of it can be put into the skip. From the camera, a specialist company attended to deal with it, probably with chemicals to liquify what was left before ‘sump-sucking it’ into a small tanker. now it would again be sanded then swept, sanded again & swept numerous times until everyone is happy with the surface.
Once all the vehicles involved with the recovery and clean up have left the scene, the HE traffic officers put a RRB on, stop the traffic for a short time to give the TM crew a safe area to remove the c/way closure.
Meanwhile to H/S barrier will need replacing afterwards.
Switching the traffic lights off would mean that several police officers would be required for directing traffic, these are just not available.
Going by what you’ve just posted, boy am I glad that HE, HA or whatever they want to be called don’t manage the “highways” over here. No wonder it takes so flipping long to sort out a problem.
You back again Dieseldog999 with your ill informed ranting!
There are certain procedures that have to be followed because of the poor stand of driving out there, a safe area to work in when dealing with anything in the live lanes. Failure to comply with the correct procedure means at the very least a meeting without coffee, or could mean a one way trip in a wooden box.
Two HE traffic officers have lost their lives due to drivers that thought they knew better and ignored their safety.
Also the only ones that might get a lanes closed for a puncture, are you guys, HGV’s
pierrot 14:
Going by what you’ve just posted, boy am I glad that HE, HA or whatever they want to be called don’t manage the “highways” over here. No wonder it takes so flipping long to sort out a problem.
So go on, how would the French deal with it?
HGV curtain sider on it’s side, cab through barrier onto banking, in a roadworks area where the H/S is being used as a running lane and what would normally be lanes 1 & 2 are now narrow lanes with metal veryguard blocking off what would be lane 3 normally. the trailer is covering all running lanes.
The load on board the HGV is pallets of syrup, now on their side inside the trailer, with some damaged spilling syrup out onto the c/way.
Amazing how since the introduction of the wombles it now takes infinitely longer and causes mindblowing amounts of disruption to achieve what 2 old school traffic coppers, a Range Rover, tow rope and broom could years ago. That’s progress for you
As for this new tarmac that needs resurfacing when someone spills a brew on it, maybe we should go back to the old stuff that got hosed off and coped without issue
The real Biffo:
You back again Dieseldog999 with your ill informed ranting!
There are certain procedures that have to be followed because of the poor stand of driving out there, a safe area to work in when dealing with anything in the live lanes. Failure to comply with the correct procedure means at the very least a meeting without coffee, or could mean a one way trip in a wooden box.
Two HE traffic officers have lost their lives due to drivers that thought they knew better and ignored their safety.
Also the only ones that might get a lanes closed for a puncture, are you guys, HGV’s
wouldnt call it a rant…the general opinion of anyone ive spoken to would be similar to my own…you work to the book that your told to work to made up by other anonymous h&s cabbages…show no initiative and do as your told…the epitome of the ultimate beancounters.and there was always safe areas removing carnage before your lot were invented which made life easier for anyone in the queue.it dont matter what the incident is,as soon as your lot turn up then its end of play for everyone else until youve finished making a meal of it…still you cant educate pork hence you will never see it from the other side,hence you and your like are obviously in the correct vocational pursuit with a similar attitude to reality as security gatehouse bods…
pierrot 14:
Going by what you’ve just posted, boy am I glad that HE, HA or whatever they want to be called don’t manage the “highways” over here. No wonder it takes so flipping long to sort out a problem.
So go on, how would the French deal with it?
HGV curtain sider on it’s side, cab through barrier onto banking, in a roadworks area where the H/S is being used as a running lane and what would normally be lanes 1 & 2 are now narrow lanes with metal veryguard blocking off what would be lane 3 normally. the trailer is covering all running lanes.
The load on board the HGV is pallets of syrup, now on their side inside the trailer, with some damaged spilling syrup out onto the c/way.
With a lot less fuss, hi vis or clipboards
They resurfaced an entire 30 km stretch near Boulogne last year in less time than it took the ■■■ clowns to deal with one pothole at Sandbach last week
billybigrig:
Amazing how since the introduction of the wombles it now takes infinitely longer and causes mindblowing amounts of disruption to achieve what 2 old school traffic coppers, a Range Rover, tow rope and broom could years ago. That’s progress for you
As for this new tarmac that needs resurfacing when someone spills a brew on it, maybe we should go back to the old stuff that got hosed off and coped without issue
Here’s a fine example of keeping the traffic flowing when the police were in charge rather than the so called Highways Agency today.
Ref the last photo. that’s when HGV drivers were the “Kings of the road” not some idiot that doesn’t give a ■■■■ about anyone else, and is being pushed to meet deadlines. also a better standard of driving from car drivers as well in those days. H/s has taken over now-a-days, even the police wouldn’t leave it like that now.
Recovery hasn’t arrived so lane 3 can be kept open, but the sliproad would be closed
The real Biffo:
Ref the last photo. that’s when HGV drivers were the “Kings of the road” not some idiot that doesn’t give a [zb] about anyone else, and is being pushed to meet deadlines. also a better standard of driving from car drivers as well in those days. H/s has taken over now-a-days, even the police wouldn’t leave it like that now.
Recovery hasn’t arrived so lane 3 can be kept open, but the sliproad would be closed
complete and utter drivvle…1 the above picture certainly speaks for itself…common sense prevails and making the best out of a bad situation…no wombles present and everyone gets on with it…2 how do you know who was driving the truck that crashed…how do you know he dont give a toss about anyone else(as if that matters)…3 how do you know he is being pushed to meet any deadlines…? with blinkered opinions like that,then you are definately well suited to your job,…h/s certainly has taken over hence the entire point of the posters with a similar opinion to myself…no wombles,no stupid useless gantry signs,and no h.e…would lead to a more stress free and accident free motorway network as id love to know how many accidents are caused due to the fact theres 2 portly hi viz plobbers giving it large cos someone has broken down on the hard shoulder.you cause more greif than you save and are about as much use to the general traffic flow as a ■■■■ in a spacesuit.
The real Biffo:
Typical of Trucknet, it’s all the fault of the HE.
The HE didn’t push the bloody wagon over, but they had to get a fork truck to the scene then unload it whilst it was on it’s side, then the recovery had to right it and recover it, the syrup had then to be cleaned up, only to find that it had deteriorated the road surface so 2 lanes needed resurfacing. they don’t have all these things waiting around the corner ready for when you lot decide to play dodgems!
Go on then, blame it on the HE, not the steering wheel attendant that rolled it in the first place. Never the fault of you bumper-sniffing, elephant racing steering wheel attendants!
the driver had a bearing go in the gearbox, flipping him over. give it a rest, driving your desk. ffs.
The only difference I can see between there and the NYNAS job several years ago just prior to the NB slip is it was in the roadworks this time. On the Nynas job once the bitumen that had spilt all over the CWAY had cooled, from righting the truck to surfacing 7 lanes of carriageway and repairing a good 100m of flat central res was about 3 and a half hours before traffic was running over it.
Since then SR2010(spending review) came in and made massive ill thought out cutbacks saving the HA/Gov a few million but costing the economy tens of millions in delays instead. That recovery firm yesterday were renowned for over egging and dragging jobs out under the old contract before fixed pricing came in but that job yesterday as you say will have been under the roadwork contract probably or they would have got the other proper recovery firm in to deal with it
However you look at it, like many things in this current society, it is not working properly or how it could, it is being made unnecessarily complicated by the bureaucracy of H&S because many are afraid of litigation…It does seem now that we are very close to the peak and will soon be coming down the other side, as many things now are simply not working, or the humans do not want to do the job.
I cannot think of one sector of industry, be it public or private that has a happy workforce majority, it seems only the drones/robots/slaves are happy, probably because they have switched off their passion gene and are merely going through the motions until death.
The list is long, I would love it for these people to withdraw their labour for a few days…
Private sector…Most people you speak to now could not give a stuff about their job, they just do it to put food on the table.
People are angry, this is because they are frustrated, this is one of the reasons for poor driving, because people no longer have any time to spare, they are being beaten up by the system to work more for less…
People need to accept that’s is the shocking standard & selfishness of many drivers these days that make situations like in the photo a thing of the past. Not to mention the sheer volume of traffic.
Some ■■■■ in a hurry would come flying round that slip road too fast into the path of bods. There have been plenty of incidents where vehicles have crashed into traffic cones closing lanes etc., road workers have lost their lives and had many close shaves. Full closures are the only safe option.
commonrail2:
Trundling down the hard shoulder on the 42 this morning…then HARD SHOULDER FOR EMERGENCY USE ONLY.
loads of flapping and emergency braking…then CONGESTION USE HARD SHOULDER.
Nuggets
Around about 8am (ish)? . I had the same, smugly undertaking hundreds of cars and lorries only to be confronted by that sign . Luckily for me the ones I was undertaking all bunched together to stop me getting out and then I saw the next sign and continued on the h/s happy with myself.
pierrot 14:
Going by what you’ve just posted, boy am I glad that HE, HA or whatever they want to be called don’t manage the “highways” over here. No wonder it takes so flipping long to sort out a problem.
So go on, how would the French deal with it?
HGV curtain sider on it’s side, cab through barrier onto banking, in a roadworks area where the H/S is being used as a running lane and what would normally be lanes 1 & 2 are now narrow lanes with metal veryguard blocking off what would be lane 3 normally. the trailer is covering all running lanes.
The load on board the HGV is pallets of syrup, now on their side inside the trailer, with some damaged spilling syrup out onto the c/way.
With a lot less fuss, hi vis or clipboards
They resurfaced an entire 30 km stretch near Boulogne last year in less time than it took the ■■■ clowns to deal with one pothole at Sandbach last week
There’s just too many “stakeholders” involved these days. All these different parties (HE, Police, multiple contractors etc.) are inward looking and no one takes overall leadership or responsibility for getting things sorted. Until someone is put properly in charge it won’t change anytime soon.
DeeDah:
There’s just too many “stakeholders” involved these days. All these different parties (HE, Police, multiple contractors etc.) are inward looking and no one takes overall leadership or responsibility for getting things sorted. Until someone is put properly in charge it won’t change anytime soon.
Of course someone else always has to make the headlines out of a situation like this.
Full front page of todays Sentinel newspaper, some couple who missed their dream holiday flight to the States because they were stuck for four hours in the queue!, and not happy that Thomas Cook wont offer them anything!
FFS! did they expect TC to send a helicopter to winch them out and deliver them to Manchester airport?
There again, I suppose there’s no substitute for experience, and whenever I’ve gone to M/C airport from Stoke I’ve ALWAYS gone via the A34, shorter, quicker and far less stressful.
The thing that really boils my ■■■■ though is there are far more worthy news items that warrant being on the front page, I would be really ■■■■■■■ embarrassed if anyone put my name on the front page over such a petty thing!
give it a rest, driving your desk. 
. Luckily for me the ones I was undertaking all bunched together to stop me getting out and then I saw the next sign and continued on the h/s happy with myself.