albion1971:
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
albion1971:
Two people killed and others seriously injured yet because it has not been reported that a lorry driver died all we get is stupid comments.
When a lorry driver is killed it is all RIP and condolences.
Some very sad people about.
I think you will find it was late on in the day that we found out 2 people had died not straight away and you will notice after people on here had found out then they changed their posts to a more serious note. It’s a wonder you weren’t on these posts earlier in the day posting your usual “bad driving standards” garb.
I really wonder if you can read sometimes.Nearly every time you reply to one of my posts you get it wrong.
Did you not read the link right at the start of the thread? I notice you never replied when I pointed out your stupid mistake on another thread… 
That link was changed to say there was fatalities to what it said earlier on in the day and I can read you knob as in most press reports they just said about 7 people with serious maybe life threatening injuries involved at the start of the day. Surely you are not that thick to think people on here would post daft posts to such a thread if they realised people had been killed straight away?
switchlogic:
Warm weebottle:
why they think its ok to overnight on the hard shoulder is beyond me regardless of driver hours, no excuse that’s what pens and printouts are for. Anyway Plod were out in force to ruin their kip. Apparently two people died in the crash RIP
- Because in many countries they can
- Because the truck parking situation in this poxy country is a disgrace
- Good old police eh? Lets wake up tired drivers and make them move to non existent parking after they ran out of hours because the police decided to shut a super busy road for 20 hours. Something else you don’t see in Europe, fatalities or not they open the road back up in a reasonable timeframe. In the UK it gets more ridiculous every year. Not long now and we’ll be counting length of closures in days at this rate. But that’s ok, as long as the police got to ruin some foreign drivers sleep and cause yet another road hazard we can rest safe in the knowledge that everything was done the British way, which despite being one of the worst ways in Europe still allows us to puff our chests out and think we are the best at everything.
God save the Queen.
I normaly get annoyed at foreign driver parking on hardshoulders, or with the arse of the truck still on the carriageway when barely in a layby.
Luke has a sound point about disturbing a drivers sleep, a more judicious coarse off action in this sort of case, where they fully know the route cause of the problem, might be to cone of the N/S lane until the morning, I know this may cause some diruption, especialy as this is on 2 lanes each way, but either other alternative is pretty un pallatable too. That being a parked lorry being a rammed by another driver, which would result in another full closure, or breaking the rest off a driver.
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
albion1971:
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
albion1971:
Two people killed and others seriously injured yet because it has not been reported that a lorry driver died all we get is stupid comments.
When a lorry driver is killed it is all RIP and condolences.
Some very sad people about.
I think you will find it was late on in the day that we found out 2 people had died not straight away and you will notice after people on here had found out then they changed their posts to a more serious note. It’s a wonder you weren’t on these posts earlier in the day posting your usual “bad driving standards” garb.
I really wonder if you can read sometimes.Nearly every time you reply to one of my posts you get it wrong.
Did you not read the link right at the start of the thread? I notice you never replied when I pointed out your stupid mistake on another thread…
That link was changed to say there was fatalities to what it said earlier on in the day and I can read you knob as in most press reports they just said about 7 people with serious maybe life threatening injuries involved at the start of the day. Surely you are not that thick to think people on here would post daft posts to such a thread if they realised people had been killed straight away?
Ok you can read but you obviously cannot understand basic English.
Do you know what GRANTED means?
Please also tell me what caused this if it was not bad driving.
Shame you have to resort to name calling because you cannot support your theories.
albion1971:
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
albion1971:
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
albion1971:
Two people killed and others seriously injured yet because it has not been reported that a lorry driver died all we get is stupid comments.
When a lorry driver is killed it is all RIP and condolences.
Some very sad people about.
I think you will find it was late on in the day that we found out 2 people had died not straight away and you will notice after people on here had found out then they changed their posts to a more serious note. It’s a wonder you weren’t on these posts earlier in the day posting your usual “bad driving standards” garb.
I really wonder if you can read sometimes.Nearly every time you reply to one of my posts you get it wrong.
Did you not read the link right at the start of the thread? I notice you never replied when I pointed out your stupid mistake on another thread…
That link was changed to say there was fatalities to what it said earlier on in the day and I can read you knob as in most press reports they just said about 7 people with serious maybe life threatening injuries involved at the start of the day. Surely you are not that thick to think people on here would post daft posts to such a thread if they realised people had been killed straight away?
Ok you can read but you obviously cannot understand basic English.
Do you know what GRANTED means?
Please also tell me what caused this if it was not bad driving.
Shame you have to resort to name calling because you cannot support your theories.
Where have I said it wasn’t bad driving■■? I just said its a wonder you hadn’t come on here earlier spouting your gospel as you normally do. So in another thread you admit you make or had made mistakes but yet you come on here being judge and jury to anyone who has made a mistake as though you are some sort of houlier than thou sort of person.
Reference the name calling I suggest you read your post saying that I cannot read and then go on to say “your stupid mistake” Pot, kettle,black comes to mind 
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
albion1971:
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
albion1971:
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
albion1971:
Two people killed and others seriously injured yet because it has not been reported that a lorry driver died all we get is stupid comments.
When a lorry driver is killed it is all RIP and condolences.
Some very sad people about.
I think you will find it was late on in the day that we found out 2 people had died not straight away and you will notice after people on here had found out then they changed their posts to a more serious note. It’s a wonder you weren’t on these posts earlier in the day posting your usual “bad driving standards” garb.
I really wonder if you can read sometimes.Nearly every time you reply to one of my posts you get it wrong.
Did you not read the link right at the start of the thread? I notice you never replied when I pointed out your stupid mistake on another thread…
That link was changed to say there was fatalities to what it said earlier on in the day and I can read you knob as in most press reports they just said about 7 people with serious maybe life threatening injuries involved at the start of the day. Surely you are not that thick to think people on here would post daft posts to such a thread if they realised people had been killed straight away?
Ok you can read but you obviously cannot understand basic English.
Do you know what GRANTED means?
Please also tell me what caused this if it was not bad driving.
Shame you have to resort to name calling because you cannot support your theories.
Where have I said it wasn’t bad driving■■? I just said its a wonder you hadn’t come on here earlier spouting your gospel as you normally do. So in another thread you admit you make or had made mistakes but yet you come on here being judge and jury to anyone who has made a mistake as though you are some sort of houlier than thou sort of person.
Reference the name calling I suggest you read your post saying that I cannot read and then go on to say “your stupid mistake” Pot, kettle,black comes to mind
houlier■■? What does that mean? New word to me but maybe your knowledge of the english language is better than mine!LOL.You jump in feet first without reading things properly and you cannot accept there are bad lorry drivers so I have no more to say because like some others on here it is impossible to have any sort of reasonable debate with you.
switchlogic:
Warm weebottle:
why they think its ok to overnight on the hard shoulder is beyond me regardless of driver hours, no excuse that’s what pens and printouts are for. Anyway Plod were out in force to ruin their kip. Apparently two people died in the crash RIP
- Because in many countries they can
- Because the truck parking situation in this poxy country is a disgrace
- Good old police eh? Lets wake up tired drivers and make them move to non existent parking after they ran out of hours because the police decided to shut a super busy road for 20 hours. Something else you don’t see in Europe, fatalities or not they open the road back up in a reasonable timeframe. In the UK it gets more ridiculous every year. Not long now and we’ll be counting length of closures in days at this rate. But that’s ok, as long as the police got to ruin some foreign drivers sleep and cause yet another road hazard we can rest safe in the knowledge that everything was done the British way, which despite being one of the worst ways in Europe still allows us to puff our chests out and think we are the best at everything.
God save the Queen.
I understand what you are saying but the sheer number on the shoulder made it dangerous for other road users. Just because you can in other countries does not make it ok, just frustrating for some. Blocking the hard shoulder has obvious implications in stationary traffic situations, so I beg to differ. Parking is an issue but not to be done on our Motorways. If elitism is present here its on the part of the person breaking the law.
Albion where have I ever said there ain’t no bad lorry drivers? I accept there is good and bad in all walks of life but of course you have it in your head that I think otherwise.
Anyway I’ll leave this here as its just turning into a slanging match which is deviating from the OP and is being disrespectful towards those who have unfortunately lost their lives, don’t you agree?
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
Albion where have I ever said there ain’t no bad lorry drivers? I accept there is good and bad in all walks of life but of course you have it in your head that I think otherwise.
Anyway I’ll leave this here as its just turning into a slanging match which is deviating from the OP and is being disrespectful towards those who have unfortunately lost their lives, don’t you agree?
I think the only ones being disrespectful are the ones that make jokes about serious accidents.Happy to leave it where it is.
Lorry driver as been arrested.
Warm weebottle:
switchlogic:
Warm weebottle:
why they think its ok to overnight on the hard shoulder is beyond me regardless of driver hours, no excuse that’s what pens and printouts are for. Anyway Plod were out in force to ruin their kip. Apparently two people died in the crash RIP
- Because in many countries they can
- Because the truck parking situation in this poxy country is a disgrace
- Good old police eh? Lets wake up tired drivers and make them move to non existent parking after they ran out of hours because the police decided to shut a super busy road for 20 hours. Something else you don’t see in Europe, fatalities or not they open the road back up in a reasonable timeframe. In the UK it gets more ridiculous every year. Not long now and we’ll be counting length of closures in days at this rate. But that’s ok, as long as the police got to ruin some foreign drivers sleep and cause yet another road hazard we can rest safe in the knowledge that everything was done the British way, which despite being one of the worst ways in Europe still allows us to puff our chests out and think we are the best at everything.
God save the Queen.
I understand what you are saying but the sheer number on the shoulder made it dangerous for other road users. Just because you can in other countries does not make it ok, just frustrating for some. Blocking the hard shoulder has obvious implications in stationary traffic situations, so I beg to differ. Parking is an issue but not to be done on our Motorways. If elitism is present here its on the part of the person breaking the law.
And that sheer number driving round after a couple of hours sleep after a long day possibly for hours looking for mystery parking isn’t a hazard is it? A better suggestion was made above, cone off a safe area and let them park. Simple. But that would be way too logical for the second rate authorities in this country.
Sympathies to the family/ families of the two girls.
I travelled southbound on the M20 exiting the M25 and had seen about 10 mile of stationary traffic backed up to the M26 on the other side of the carriageway during the afternoon. Surely the police or highways agency could have spared a couple of bods and sorted some kind of traffic control there at the lights on the roundabout. It might have maybe eased things slightly, they certainly all came out the woodwork to move parked trucks on the hard shoulder later on. Surely the whole kent police force or HA weren’t out there dealing with this incident ?
Driver has now been released on bail
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27077502
Driver-Once-More:
Driver has now been released on bail
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27077502
Call me cynical, but I’m sure he’ll never be seen again.
switchlogic:
Warm weebottle:
switchlogic:
Warm weebottle:
why they think its ok to overnight on the hard shoulder is beyond me regardless of driver hours, no excuse that’s what pens and printouts are for. Anyway Plod were out in force to ruin their kip. Apparently two people died in the crash RIP
- Because in many countries they can
- Because the truck parking situation in this poxy country is a disgrace
- Good old police eh? Lets wake up tired drivers and make them move to non existent parking after they ran out of hours because the police decided to shut a super busy road for 20 hours. Something else you don’t see in Europe, fatalities or not they open the road back up in a reasonable timeframe. In the UK it gets more ridiculous every year. Not long now and we’ll be counting length of closures in days at this rate. But that’s ok, as long as the police got to ruin some foreign drivers sleep and cause yet another road hazard we can rest safe in the knowledge that everything was done the British way, which despite being one of the worst ways in Europe still allows us to puff our chests out and think we are the best at everything.
God save the Queen.
I understand what you are saying but the sheer number on the shoulder made it dangerous for other road users. Just because you can in other countries does not make it ok, just frustrating for some. Blocking the hard shoulder has obvious implications in stationary traffic situations, so I beg to differ. Parking is an issue but not to be done on our Motorways. If elitism is present here its on the part of the person breaking the law.
And that sheer number driving round after a couple of hours sleep after a long day possibly for hours looking for mystery parking isn’t a hazard is it? A better suggestion was made above, cone off a safe area and let them park. Simple. But that would be way too logical for the second rate authorities in this country.
They chose to break the law and created a 2 hour sleep scenario, so hazard was self inflicted, they should of carried on to their planned stop/tip or a safe place where available. I saw no British lorries on the shoulder, except possibly one towing a stobbart trailer, they all managed to park up off the motorway. Parking available within twenty minutes in all directions when mobile. Large sections of M25 “improvements” will have no hard shoulder, what will these drivers do then ? Would switchlogic have joined them on the hard shoulder… ? When in Rome.
Warm weebottle:
switchlogic:
Warm weebottle:
switchlogic:
Warm weebottle:
why they think its ok to overnight on the hard shoulder is beyond me regardless of driver hours, no excuse that’s what pens and printouts are for. Anyway Plod were out in force to ruin their kip. Apparently two people died in the crash RIP
- Because in many countries they can
- Because the truck parking situation in this poxy country is a disgrace
- Good old police eh? Lets wake up tired drivers and make them move to non existent parking after they ran out of hours because the police decided to shut a super busy road for 20 hours. Something else you don’t see in Europe, fatalities or not they open the road back up in a reasonable timeframe. In the UK it gets more ridiculous every year. Not long now and we’ll be counting length of closures in days at this rate. But that’s ok, as long as the police got to ruin some foreign drivers sleep and cause yet another road hazard we can rest safe in the knowledge that everything was done the British way, which despite being one of the worst ways in Europe still allows us to puff our chests out and think we are the best at everything.
God save the Queen.
I understand what you are saying but the sheer number on the shoulder made it dangerous for other road users. Just because you can in other countries does not make it ok, just frustrating for some. Blocking the hard shoulder has obvious implications in stationary traffic situations, so I beg to differ. Parking is an issue but not to be done on our Motorways. If elitism is present here its on the part of the person breaking the law.
And that sheer number driving round after a couple of hours sleep after a long day possibly for hours looking for mystery parking isn’t a hazard is it? A better suggestion was made above, cone off a safe area and let them park. Simple. But that would be way too logical for the second rate authorities in this country.
They chose to break the law and created a 2 hour sleep scenario, so hazard was self inflicted, they should of carried on to their planned stop/tip or a safe place where available. I saw no British lorries on the shoulder, except possibly one towing a stobbart trailer, they all managed to park up off the motorway. Parking available within twenty minutes in all directions when mobile. Large sections of M25 “improvements” will have no hard shoulder, what will these drivers do then ? Would switchlogic have joined them on the hard shoulder… ? When in Rome.
Where? maybe if you get there first.
cav551:
Warm weebottle:
switchlogic:
Warm weebottle:
switchlogic:
Warm weebottle:
why they think its ok to overnight on the hard shoulder is beyond me regardless of driver hours, no excuse that’s what pens and printouts are for. Anyway Plod were out in force to ruin their kip. Apparently two people died in the crash RIP
- Because in many countries they can
- Because the truck parking situation in this poxy country is a disgrace
- Good old police eh? Lets wake up tired drivers and make them move to non existent parking after they ran out of hours because the police decided to shut a super busy road for 20 hours. Something else you don’t see in Europe, fatalities or not they open the road back up in a reasonable timeframe. In the UK it gets more ridiculous every year. Not long now and we’ll be counting length of closures in days at this rate. But that’s ok, as long as the police got to ruin some foreign drivers sleep and cause yet another road hazard we can rest safe in the knowledge that everything was done the British way, which despite being one of the worst ways in Europe still allows us to puff our chests out and think we are the best at everything.
God save the Queen.
I understand what you are saying but the sheer number on the shoulder made it dangerous for other road users. Just because you can in other countries does not make it ok, just frustrating for some. Blocking the hard shoulder has obvious implications in stationary traffic situations, so I beg to differ. Parking is an issue but not to be done on our Motorways. If elitism is present here its on the part of the person breaking the law.
And that sheer number driving round after a couple of hours sleep after a long day possibly for hours looking for mystery parking isn’t a hazard is it? A better suggestion was made above, cone off a safe area and let them park. Simple. But that would be way too logical for the second rate authorities in this country.
They chose to break the law and created a 2 hour sleep scenario, so hazard was self inflicted, they should of carried on to their planned stop/tip or a safe place where available. I saw no British lorries on the shoulder, except possibly one towing a stobbart trailer, they all managed to park up off the motorway. Parking available within twenty minutes in all directions when mobile. Large sections of M25 “improvements” will have no hard shoulder, what will these drivers do then ? Would switchlogic have joined them on the hard shoulder… ? When in Rome.
Where? maybe if you get there first.
Yeah I second that, where?
Our lame and useless authorities who see fit to close major roads for a day cause this problem. These drivers get caught out simply because nowhere else in Europe do the authorities make such a hash up of things and cause such problems. I have spent a night of the hard shoulder on the M25, when it was snowing heavily and I spent 8 hours doing two miles. More genius planning from the British.
The police where right to move them on, the road had been shut all day the signs up from Dover had warnings on them why join the back of of it?
So u want h/a to cone off lane 1 for 9 to 11 hours after the last truck stops, so that’s going to muck up the next days rush hour which means more trucks stopped so that’s the shut till the next day now.
It does take a long time to reopen a road after a crash like this but u need to think about what has happened.
First u got to get the people out and scene safe ( fire risk fuel leaking) in a big crash that can take nearly 2 hours.
Second the police have to investigate what happened and why. In the uk if a death happens its a criminal case so needs the same investigation a murder would have, this can’t be done later because as soon as the first car goes over the crash site it’s compromised and would not stand up in court.
Third u have recovery this is not just a job of dragging the vehicles out as they are now evidence so need to be keep as at crash site.
Forth it’s now the H/A turn to clean and fix the road this can take hours if Tarmac or crash barriers need replacing. This bit is very time consuming but what would happen if a bike went over because the road surface was damaged?
Or they could just bring in a bulldozer and push it all off in to the field next to the road and get it open in half hour, but if my family ever get the knock at the door I hope that the person to blame will be held to account and my family know what happened.
I do think that a bigger problem is when u get a small crash with no one hurt and little damage these seem to cause big queues.
bradthinks:
The police where right to move them on, the road had been shut all day the signs up from Dover had warnings on them why join the back of of it?
So u want h/a to cone off lane 1 for 9 to 11 hours after the last truck stops, so that’s going to muck up the next days rush hour which means more trucks stopped so that’s the shut till the next day now.
It does take a long time to reopen a road after a crash like this but u need to think about what has happened.
First u got to get the people out and scene safe ( fire risk fuel leaking) in a big crash that can take nearly 2 hours.
Second the police have to investigate what happened and why. In the uk if a death happens its a criminal case so needs the same investigation a murder would have, this can’t be done later because as soon as the first car goes over the crash site it’s compromised and would not stand up in court.
Third u have recovery this is not just a job of dragging the vehicles out as they are now evidence so need to be keep as at crash site.
From memory there aren’t any Matrix signs on the M20 Westbound between between the Channel tunnel exit and Junction 6 for Maidstone, the only signs are the old fashioned central reservation speed limit and lane closed ones.
Where? anywhere safe bar the motorway hard shoulder, should not be driving if not knowing closet stop, I will not list for you, google is your friend and you should not be driving if you cant find somewhere. Again, Switchlogic would you have joined them ? (answers on a post card). Treacherous road conditions are a different story re snow/ice etc.