This is the Leyland Bison i used to drive, It was fitted with the fuller 9 speed box.It had the clutch brake and i think you pressed the clutch down about a half way then went all the way down to complete shift,(or the other way round) Really good box easy to use.
This is another motor i drove a long time ago, I am sure it was fitted with the fuller 9 speed. The gears wet from right to left and it also had the brake clutch. This box took a bit of getting used to going from right to left but after a day or two found it a nice box to use.
newmercman:
Robert is right about needing the clutch to split the early 13spd Fullers, I think FIAT were the last to adopt clutchless splits. Pat Kennet did an article about the various boxes and I remember the bit about the clutch being in there too, so that confirms it.hey Newmercman, you will have right, But think that there was Always a bit difference in UK and Europian lorries.
because I know Fullers from the beginning of the '70’s with the DAF FT2605DKB still with the bell knob (we called it so “de fiets bel”). I only know about DAF’s 95 with the RTO splitter made until the XF came.
Normally it was abondoned with the Euro 2, but after owners complaining it was again delivered on special request.
But with the XF it wasn’t allowed any more because of Europian legislation because too noisy.
MAN used a time RTSO’s Syncro but were very unreliable.
One of the very first MAN’s FS13304 with a 9 speed (maybe will be converted for preservation) the letters 13 were the drive axle weight later came the 16/19 as total weight so as 16304 or 19304.Cheers Eric,
matt watson:
This is another motor i drove a long time ago, I am sure it was fitted with the fuller 9 speed. The gears wet from right to left and it also had the brake clutch. This box took a bit of getting used to going from right to left but after a day or two found it a nice box to use.
Your memory probably serves you well, because I drove one exactly the same. I think all those 400s had right-to-left U-shaped shift (‘round-the-houses 9-speed Fullers’, they were called!). I imagine OHS’s left-hand-drive ones may have been easier to use! Robert 
Here’s an ERF NGC 420 that had a very slick 9-speed Fuller in it, according to Pat Kennett who pitted it against several Continental trucks on a gruelling run through the Ardennes for TRUCK magazine in 1975. The ERF performed better than the others in the mountains and kept the record for some years. Robert 
tiptop495:
hey Newmercman, you will have right, But think that there was Always a bit difference in UK and Europian lorries.
because I know Fullers from the beginning of the '70’s with the DAF FT2605DKB still with the bell knob (we called it so “de fiets bel”).
Cheers Eric,
Hi Eric. If it’s any help, I actually drove a Dutch 2800 DKS from the '70s and the 13-speed Fuller in that required clutch-activation for the split gears.
I have no problem with the older version of the 13-speed 'box. When using them I prefered to make downward splits-shifts on older 13-speed ‘boxes by pre-selecting the lower split, moving the stick into neutral, double-declutching and returning the stick to its original position. Done habitually, this technique was relatively effortless, ensured cleaner and more reliable changes and was particularly satisfying to use when ascending steep hills or entering roundabouts. However, it still made them quite a different 'box to use from the 9-speed box, which is why I’ve created a thread for the 9-speed 'box by itself. That’s not to say I don’t enjoy these wider ranging discussions, so keep the comments coming! Cheers. Robert
hey to all, I never used the high crauler but yes there was a big gab between 4th and 5th.
Never used the engine brake too,some here did it because a DAF engine’s revs drpped not so fast a other engines,but it irritated me.
yes as some say some were not as a Fuller,yes the unsycro ZF was a different kittle of fish, and some had the first where normally is the 6th and the other way round.
Interesting thread.
Cheers Eric,
robert1952:
tiptop495:
hey Newmercman, you will have right, But think that there was Always a bit difference in UK and Europian lorries.
because I know Fullers from the beginning of the '70’s with the DAF FT2605DKB still with the bell knob (we called it so “de fiets bel”).
Cheers Eric,Hi Eric. If it’s any help, I actually drove a Dutch 2800 DKS from the '70s and the 13-speed Fuller in that required clutch-activation for the split gears.
I have no problem with the older version of the 13-speed 'box. When using them I prefered to make downward splits-shifts on older 13-speed ‘boxes by pre-selecting the lower split, moving the stick into neutral, double-declutching and returning the stick to its original position. Done habitually, this technique was relatively effortless, ensured cleaner and more reliable changes and was particularly satisfying to use when ascending steep hills or entering roundabouts. However, it still made them quite a different 'box to use from the 9-speed box, which is why I’ve created a thread for the 9-speed 'box by itself. That’s not to say I don’t enjoy these wider ranging discussions, so keep the comments coming! Cheers. Robert
hey Robert, That’s a mystery,how can we find the solution,there must be a difference between here and the UK, but how to find out■■?. I drove nearly all types of DAF not for a long time but all were the same… DKB,DKS,DKSE,DKX,AND SO ON. Who can bring the solution■■?
Of course I can’t speak about the Fuller '60’s boxes.
Cheers Eric.
Eric, I think that the most likely ‘solution’ or answer is that the evolution, like all evolutions, took place over a period of time and the newer versions were introduced gradually. More conservative operators would, in any case, have specified 'boxes they were familiar with. Hope that helps. Robert
Delong, Jac, Howo, Dong Feng… These are all Chinese look-alike MANS / Scanias / Steyrs etc, with look-alike 9-speed Fuller gearboxes. I wonder if these 'boxes are as good as the ‘real thing’! Robert
robert1952:
Lorries with 9 speed Fullers
This thread seeks to identify as many makes and models of lorries as possible, that had the 9-speed Fuller Roadranger ‘box.
I appreciate that the 13-speed Fuller ‘box was only a 9-speed ‘box with overdrive on the top four gears but they were quite different to use, simply because the 9-speeder could be used clutch-less, but the splitter mechanism on the 13-speeder demanded use of the clutch to send the split gears through. One blogger has argued with me on this point elsewhere, and I respect his views on the subject. Arguably too, the 13-speeder was a more efficient ‘box because of the increased number of ratios.
Nonetheless, I am looking for evidence of 9-speed ‘boxes on this particular thread. I have actually collected lots of evidence already, which I’ll share with you (as I always do). The biggest problem is not identifying makes / models that had Fuller 9s, but finding actual pictures of lorries that we can be certain had Fuller 9s in them. For example, we all know that, in theory, B-series ERFs were equipped with Fuller 9s as standard equipment, but photos of ERFs do not give away the gearbox within!
In some models, 9-speed Fullers were only offered under certain circumstances, or with certain engines. For example, DAF specified the 9-speed Fuller for its (then new) DKSE model, but only in Britain (European models had 16-speed ZFs).
So I’m striving in this thread to match actual pictures of lorries, to evidence of the Fuller 9 attached to their engines! Let’s start by moving from the ‘known’ to the ‘unknown’, by showing some pics of trucks that I drove with 9-speed Fullers, so that I know for certain that they had ‘em. Stocking this thread is not as easy as it looks, chaps! Going to be an interesting one, this! Robert ïŠ
This is my restored 1981 Seddon Atkinson 401 which is fitted with a 9spd Eaton/Fuller box
3rd and 4th are the wrong way
The ones we ran were all fitted with the 9spd box but many were modified to a 4 over 4
Also most of our ERF B C and E Series were fitted with the same box they were a dream to drive especially with the slow revving Gardner engines
Slightly off the subject the later EC ERFs we had used the twin splitter and in my own opinion the best gearbox ever
I had a mate called P J Butler he ran a Renault R310 with a 9spd Eaton/ Fuller box he used it on mainly brick and block work unfortunately I haven’t photos
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Hey, nice restoration in company colours, not allowed here if it isn’t yours without permission which is mostly refused;
Cheers Eric,
Sorry, no photos but I can report that, at one firm I worked for, a 240 Gardner-engine ERF B-series had the Fuller9, as did the two 265 RR B-series and the 265 RR early C-series. In my opinion, the best gearbox for UK operations before the advent of the wonderful Twin Splitter, although the old 10-speed Fuller in Atkis and ERFs was pretty good, too.
To pinch an old advertising slogan, “Eaton-Fuller, often copied, never equalled”.
gingerfold:
It has been mentiuoned earlier in this threat that 9-speed Fuller was retro-fitted into AEC Mandators. It was actually a factory fitted optional gearbox for the last couple of years of Mandator production circa 1975 to 1977.
That must have improved performance … anyone have experience of 1?
matt watson:
This is another motor i drove a long time ago, I am sure it was fitted with the fuller 9 speed. The gears wet from right to left and it also had the brake clutch. This box took a bit of getting used to going from right to left but after a day or two found it a nice box to use.
Was the scouse perm wig compulsary in those days Matt 
I can recall that when the Fuller 610 box first appeared in the ■■■■■■■ engined Atki Borderer some of the “dyed in the wool” older operators derided the box (and the engines !)as a new fangled gimmick and it would never surpass the DB6.600 box.How wrong could they have been,at Bewick Transport the only boxes we had problems with were the DB6.600’s and the only odd problems we had with the many Fullers we ran was with the range change valve sticking occaisionally otherwise the Fullers were bombproof,and oh! the Eaton axles were trouble free also.Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
I can recall that when the Fuller 610 box first appeared in the ■■■■■■■ engined Atki Borderer some of the “dyed in the wool” older operators derided the box (and the engines !)as a new fangled gimmick and it would never surpass the DB6.600 box.How wrong could they have been,at Bewick Transport the only boxes we had problems with were the DB6.600’s and the only odd problems we had with the many Fullers we ran was with the range change valve sticking occaisionally otherwise the Fullers were bombproof,and oh! the Eaton axles were trouble free also.Cheers Bewick.
I refer the gentleman from ■■■■■■■ to my previous post!
One of the subjects on which we agree.
Now, just to clear up a small point, was the Big J/240 fitted with the Fuller 9?
Retired Old ■■■■:
Bewick:
I can recall that when the Fuller 610 box first appeared in the ■■■■■■■ engined Atki Borderer some of the “dyed in the wool” older operators derided the box (and the engines !)as a new fangled gimmick and it would never surpass the DB6.600 box.How wrong could they have been,at Bewick Transport the only boxes we had problems with were the DB6.600’s and the only odd problems we had with the many Fullers we ran was with the range change valve sticking occaisionally otherwise the Fullers were bombproof,and oh! the Eaton axles were trouble free also.Cheers Bewick.I refer the gentleman from ■■■■■■■ to my previous post!
One of the subjects on which we agree.
Now, just to clear up a small point, was the Big J/240 fitted with the Fuller 9?
Fuller 9509 I reckon which was the bigger Fuller and I can confirm that this was the box fitted to all our 240LXB’s and 265LXC’s
I believe we agree on many subjects ROF and those we occaisionally disagree on,---- well your patently wrong sometimes aren’t you 
Cheers Bewick.
ramone:
matt watson:
This is another motor i drove a long time ago, I am sure it was fitted with the fuller 9 speed. The gears wet from right to left and it also had the brake clutch. This box took a bit of getting used to going from right to left but after a day or two found it a nice box to use.Was the scouse perm wig compulsary in those days Matt
Hi Ramone, That was the fashion back then and i have not changed a lot since that photo, I used to run from Denny near Falkirk to Aberdeen in this motor. It was a good motor and the only time it let us down was in winter when the fuel used to wax up. The fuel filter was at the bottom nearside of the engine 290 ■■■■■■■■