LHD Leyland Roadtrains

Here’s a reply to your post I took umbrage at. Your post is in italics: my replies are not.

The Rockwell hub pattern would match the ERF example which you posted earlier ?.

It might, yes.

We also seem to have a connection between that of the orange unit and the military examples ?.

Only the lighter weight ones.

The most surprising part seems to be that the Scammell heavy bogie is shown as being higher weight capacity than whatever the 65t artic spec uses.
Unless the shown figures are at cross purposes regarding weight bearing strength, as opposed to tractive effort torque capacity.
The latter would obviously be all about the relative difference between GCW v GTW design capacities.

Perhaps there is a cut-off point after about 150t gross where a ballasted tractor is more viable. I have no idea. An STGO driver on here might know. I’ve just looked in my old CPC (Operators) books and can’t find anything in there.

The seemingly larger looking hub reduction shown on the orange unit and the military artic, possibly pointing to maybe a larger weight bearing capacity, but a lesser torque and tractive effort capacity v the Scammell heavy ballast tractor orientated design spec ?.

We’re guessing.

That’s why it’s so important to differentiate GCW artic applications, which not only have to provide sufficient tractive effort, but also bear the load of a semi trailer, v GTW ballast tractor applications requiring possibly relatively less ballast weight bearing capacity but more torque tractive effort capacity in the diff and half shaft components.
The orange unit and military artic options shown ( SOMA ? ) possibly using seemingly more hub reduction, to meet their tractive effort requirement, than the Scammell bogie required, but the heavy 300tonner Scammell bogie possibly had/needed relatively less ultimate weight bearing capacity it’s job being to pull loads, not bear the weight of them ?.

Kirkstall also made hub-reduction axles like the D85 (13t) example.

Possibly due to 5th wheel king pin capacity ??

I reckon you would know that then ! What is the capacity of a heavy haulage fifth wheel please?

Now you got me I don’t know and I should

You surprise me!

Holland have a brochure here

It looks like standard 5th wheel 50mm (2inch) has a capacity of 240kN
And heavy haulage with 90mm (3 1/2 inch) has capacity of 270kN.
Which is about 270 x 101 = 27 (and a bit) Tonnes.
Does that sound right?

Did your fleet have bought in fifth wheels? Or did the very heavy stuff use something out side of “off the shelf” fifth wheels?

@CF : This may the missing link! Are you factoring in the dolly, often present at the front end of a low-loader at weights above 80t? That would significantly take the weight on the turntable down a notch.

Leicester Heavy Haulage ran a 6x4 S26 with exactly such a trailer at 150t.

In 1997 Foden developed a tank transport for the army using the Haulmaster model. It was a 6x4 150-tonner with LHD or RHD, a Cummins NTC 400 and a Foden 8-sp box running thro’ a torque-converter. Normal tank transporter low-loader.

always used standard 5th wheels in both sizes,also used jeep dollies until authorities said they wern’t legal

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Thanks for that.

This has just appeared on Fbook ex UN S26 20k on clock


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Thanks jshepguis. They look like SOMA hubs if you compare with the example(s) up the page. The Scud appears to have the same hubs. Can someone verify?

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I understand that particular one had Cummins 400 and ZF Transmatic with a specially built extended cab.


Think this one had a torque converter and Fuller. Only had a quick go in it, so can’t remember. Still in preservation somewhere, so someone will know.
The 80 tonner of Hill’s, Dispatcher put on has Soma axles. Need a scammell expert on here to fill in the details.

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