and Cardington is quite hard i believe. Some drop out, some don’t make the grade.
If you get there, just do your best. Good luck.
I know someone who is now an examiner LGV 1 holder. He wanted to do the trucks, but has chosen to carry on with cars and bikes.
He done the bike examiner training and seems to like it.
He did say it was difficult to get on to the LGV side of things. He decided to be an examiner to go the LGV route but so far to no avail.
chippy:
I know someone who is now an examiner LGV 1 holder. He wanted to do the trucks, but has chosen to carry on with cars and bikes.He done the bike examiner training and seems to like it.
He did say it was difficult to get on to the LGV side of things. He decided to be an examiner to go the LGV route but so far to no avail.
I suppose doing LGV examinations, there is less chance of getting injured in an incident 
Also, the examiner gets a ‘driver’ as a candidate.
True Rog,
but they have to stand about in the rain a lot before they go out on the road.
Driveroneuk:
True Rog,but they have to stand about in the rain a lot before they go out on the road.
(tongue-in-cheek) I know they do especially on the artic reverse 
Why can’t the examiner sit in the truck when doing the reverse exersise?
Is it in case something goes horribly wrong?
In which case he could say stop.
Is it to do with the the bay stopping position?
In which case he could say stop?
Would it be better to sit in and observe observations?
Rather than stand 30 ft away?
chippy:
Why can’t the examiner sit in the truck when doing the reverse exersise?Is it in case something goes horribly wrong?
In which case he could say stop.
Is it to do with the the bay stopping position?
In which case he could say stop?
Would it be better to sit in and observe observations?
Rather than stand 30 ft away?
I think it is because they get a better all round view and can see anyone approaching much earlier than the driver - it has been known for pedestrians to ‘wander’ over the reverse area 
The driver usually has the window open so can hear the examiner SCREAM STOP
ROG:
chippy:
Why can’t the examiner sit in the truck when doing the reverse exersise?Is it in case something goes horribly wrong?
In which case he could say stop.
Is it to do with the the bay stopping position?
In which case he could say stop?
Would it be better to sit in and observe observations?
Rather than stand 30 ft away?
I think it is because they get a better all round view and can see anyone approaching much earlier than the driver - it has been known for pedestrians to ‘wander’ over the reverse area
The driver usually has the window open so can hear the examiner SCREAM STOP
Pedestrians? What would they be doing in the DSA LGV testing area.
Pedestrians? What would they be doing in the DSA LGV testing area.
If it happens to be slap bang next to the LGV MOT testing area like at Kirkham, it can happen. (and prisoners working in the field just the other side of the fence 
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chippy:
ROG:
chippy:
Why can’t the examiner sit in the truck when doing the reverse exersise?Is it in case something goes horribly wrong?
In which case he could say stop.
Is it to do with the the bay stopping position?
In which case he could say stop?
Would it be better to sit in and observe observations?
Rather than stand 30 ft away?
I think it is because they get a better all round view and can see anyone approaching much earlier than the driver - it has been known for pedestrians to ‘wander’ over the reverse area
The driver usually has the window open so can hear the examiner SCREAM STOP
Pedestrians? What would they be doing in the DSA LGV testing area.
Exactly - but it does happen
Would the candidate fail if one of these pedestrians wandered in from outside onto private ground and the examiner had to issue a verbal command to the candidate to stop?
chippy:
Would the candidate fail if one of these pedestrians wandered in from outside onto private ground and the examiner had to issue a verbal command to the candidate to stop?
If the examiner deems that the candidate could easily see the approaching pedestrian then they would not warn until absolutely necessary and then FAIL the candidate for not seeing them either in the mirrors or through the windows - that’s why the examine for good all round observation by the trainee on test.
If the examiner deemed that the pedestrian (or vehicle) was approaching in from a blind spot area to the truck then the examiner will yell STOP much earlier and then invite the candidate to ‘carry on’ - no penalty
All sounds a bit dodgy to me.
What I cant understand is why and how the rogue peds get onto the test area?
Is the area for sole use? Or can anyone stroll on?
chippy:
All sounds a bit dodgy to me.What I cant understand is why and how the rogue peds get onto the test area?
Is the area for sole use? Or can anyone stroll on?
The DSA & VOSA usually share the same premises.
The reverse are is USUALLY next to the through lane for trucks going into the VOSA bit and pedestrians wander from their cars when visiting VOSA.
Hope they have their high viz gear on 
The DSA & VOSA usually share the same premises.
The reverse are is USUALLY next to the through lane for trucks going into the VOSA bit and pedestrians wander from their cars when visiting VOSA.
Quite true Rog, especially at Kirkham.
Indeed, just as i said a year and 2 days ago. See above.
From HERE
Smart Mart, I noticed this in your signature…
LGV Instructor (DSA Registered - only 6 months to decide about re-registering)
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - being on the DSA voluntary register does not mean that the instructor is either good or bad.
Using that as the criteria for vetting the training expertise of companies is not the way IMO.
Are you having second thoughts on the register 
Smart Mart:
Indeed I am Rog - well hardly second thoughts, I have decided not to redo my register tests - unless someone else pays! I will not be spending nearly £400 for a qualification that the DSA have no intention of making compulsory (despite having the legislation in place to do).I wrote to the DSA in April with several questions relating to the Register and Instructors. The answers to my 10 questions were not encouraging to say the least. They were unable to confirm the number of instructors who have no re-registered (presumably basic math is beyond them!). There was supposed to be a list of Registered Instructors being published - that hasn’t appeared anywhere useful The DSA say that ‘A public list of LGV instructors is currently maintained and sent to members of the public requesting information about large goods vehicle training providers’, apparently! I also asked if they recorded registered instructors pass rates - they don’t!
All in all - I now think that the DSA register is useless and am looking at RTITB as a possible better alternative! Or just carry on without any current qualification, which as my pass rates have consistently improved year on year, I think is the best option!
I should point out that the company I currently train for will continue to have at least one DSA registered instructor.
The RTITB INSTRUCTOR COURSE does seem to be properly formatted
I spent a good number of years registered with RTITB but swapped to the DSA register when it first started. Also paid for all staff to take the tests and register. 4 years down the line, nothing had happened in regard to making the register compulsory so all the registrations lapsed.
A short time later, local competition came along in the form of two large hauliers both offering courses to the public. So, in a bid to be shown to be “in front” of them, we all re-registered with DSA - at substantial cost to the company.
Not convinced that it has made much commercial difference but I consider it important that firstly, there is a register but secondly, it is recognised by the public. Most folk assume that all LGV instructors are registered and this is one of the reasons the non-registered instructors stay in work.
I’m the first to accept that there are very good, non registered instructors and that there are folk who are registered for whom it hasn’t improved standards. But when I train instructors, as I do for my own staff and commercially, it is important to have a standard to achieve, that will be tested and then will be recognised.
It’s a folly that, together with PCV, this is the only driver training sector that remains unregulated.
High time it was sorted. 
This might be of interest to others, a letter I wrote to the DSA and the reply:-
With regard to your letter dated 14th May2009, and my change of status to ‘Not DSA Qualified’, I would ask for the DSAs comments and replies to the following questions:-
1 I understood that the Register was to be made available for the general public to view, in order to
choose a suitable instructor. Has this been done, or rather when is it to be done?
2 When is the register to become compulsory?
3 Who decided on the format of the tests, and the need to repeat part 2 and 3 every 4 years?
4 What have I got for my money during the 4 years I was on the register?
5 Is £388.70 plus the cost of the vehicle and loss of earnings for those tests reasonable for what I get from being registered?
6 Will my training of new drivers be any worse for not re-registering?
7 Why doesn’t the DSA conduct check tests similar to ADI’s?
8 How many LGV Instructors are not on the register?
9 How many registered instructors are not/ have not re-registered?
10 Why are the results of each qualified instructor not processed by the DSA to show how good an instructor is, indeed only a few examiners ever bother to put my registration number on the DL25?
From the replies to these questions I will decide whether I will renew my registration. However I have to say that you will have to make a very good case for me doing so!
I should point out that I was very enthusiastic at getting on the register when I first decided to become a LGV Instructor, indeed my first enquiry was as to how to become qualified. Since then I have become somewhat disillusioned with the whole register thing. Trainees I have asked do not even know of the register and are not concerned whether I was ‘qualified’ or not, and as it would seem to me that the majority of Instructors are not qualified, I should go with the majority.
And the reply:-
Edit - for some reason the whole of the reply doesn’t show - but you get the gist of it.