Leyland Lorries

michel:
Leyland in Spain with T.M.U cab.

Hello All,

This being my first post, I hope I’m not branded as too much of a clever so-and-so newbe poster, but here goes:

The above is not strictly speaking a Leyland, it is a TMU creation using (obviously) some Leyland bits. TMU (Tomas Mintegui Urigen) was a small Basque specialist, a bit like RFW in Oz or AWD in the UK. They would basically produce what the customer wanted and are still in business as producers of dead axles etc. The lorry in the pic I believe has TMUs own axles, wheels and probably chassis which owes more to Mack than Leyland. The relationship between the wings / bonnet / bumper is not at all like the Buffalo’s; the wings are also different in shape - I’m fairly certain the w.b. is not like any EHB Bufallo. The air filter has been re-positioned too. No idea about the gearbox but I would not discount a Mack Duplex or Triplex as was fitted to many South American Beavers and some Leyland Ashdods in Israel (anything to get rid of the 6 sp Leyland or ZF horrors).

As for the cab it might have been made by Gozalbo in Villareal, Spain - it has some Scammell Highwayman cab elements but I’ve never seen that style on anything UK before. The bed was also made by Gozalbo and features a typically Spanish in-built sleeper (look closely and you will the sleeper’s window).

Here’s another one (this one with a Scammell-looking cab (from the operator, Transportes La Oñatiarra de Oñati’s home page, via the Camiones Classicos forum)) :

and what might be an earlier version with the standard Leyland Beaver cab (from MAI carnes of Badajoz site via the Camiones Classicos forum) :

Last but not least, here’s the same lorry as posted Michel in some show with TMU’s sign hanging proudly behind, as well as TMU’s badge on the radiator (also from Camiones Classicos):

In my opinion, one of the sharpest lorries I have ever seen. I don’t think any survive but who knows what hides in Spain still…

Best,

LA

michel:
A spanish one , a ‘super beaver’ I think. Is the front axle original ?

Michel, this looks like a Pegaso axle to me but I could be wrong - many older Leylands were modified and re-modified in Spain over the years to continue and give service, including replacement of the older engines/boxes with Pegaso bits.

Split wheels were offered by the aftermarket from new, here’s an example, again made by Mintegui (pic: Isidoro Hernandez, www.camionesclasicos.com • Ver Tema - Leyland Buffalo de Papa Ali.)

Leyland “Super-Beaver” Ashdod factory, preserved by Tavura museum.

Leyland Steer for sale at the Heddington steam rally

Beautifully-restored Leyland Comet in B.R.S. fleet colours, with living quarters secured on 4 - in - line semi-trailer .

■■■■■■■ Steam Gathering , 2013.

Cheers , cattle wagon man.

Hi Hodge Seeing your photo of the Leyland National factory signboard at Lillyhall reminds me of delivering 14 ton of bagged cement there circa 1970-71 with my ERF six wheeler. I was instructed to drive through a doorway (one of about six) in the east facing wall facing back towards Bridgefoot. As I turned in the front axle sank in up to the front mounted silencer. A trench had been dug parallel to the wall then filled in again with the original soil clay etc . Luckily I was able to reverse out where the guy who me the instruction and now with a red face apologised and pointed to another door further along that had been infilled with ■■■■■■■■. Anyway I managed to get in and aunloaded in the main factory hall, on driving slowly out the steering started to shake violently and when back in the main tarmacked yard and travelling slightly faster the shaking got worse. Jumping out and thinking I had done untold damage I suddenly spied about 12 pounds of clay wedged in the dish of both front wheels when it buried itself in the trench. Getting a large screwdriver I quickly dug the offending clay out and drove off as good as new and mightily relieved no lasting damage had been done. Just goes to show there is some truth in the art of wheelbalancing !!!
Cheers Leyland 600

Hi Lawrence, What became of Sludge Disposals from Stamfordham. I remember attending a traffic court in Carlisle in 1963 when H&A Trotter (The late Andrew was a great friend) applied for a B licence to carry out their trade in ■■■■■■■■ The well known commissioner JAT at the time would not hear a wrong word about SD’s capabilities maintaining they could clean up ■■■■■■■■ Justice ■■?
Cheers Leyland 600.

A couple of nice old girls.



Possibly Leylands equivalent to high-roof` sleepers , was the " Interstate" cab fitted to the Roadtrain tractor units.
This tidy example was displayed at the Retro Show last month.

Cheers , cattle wagon man.

cattle wagon man:
Possibly Leylands equivalent to high-roof` sleepers , was the " Interstate" cab fitted to the Roadtrain tractor units.
This tidy example was displayed at the Retro Show last month.

Cheers , cattle wagon man.

Very nice indeed. :slight_smile:

Fancy that myself, but it would have to be 350 ■■■■■■■ & twin splitter.
Fussy, or what? :wink:

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Remember this?


And F1 World Champion Alan Jones in the rain at Silverstone - truly awesome if anyone saw it.

A Leyland Cruiser , with chassis alterations to become a tipper.
Photographed recently , on sunny Malta.

Cheers , cattle wagon man.

Leyland Bison snapped recently

A french faithful customer sadly had disappeared.

michel:
A french faithful customer sadly had disappeared.
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Transports Giraud, based at Sonnoy, close to Rousillon in the Rhone Valley, and close to their largest client Rhone Poulenc. A really nice family firm, headed by brothers Michel, and Yves, who lived quite literally “over the shop”, above the old stone warehouse in Sonnoy.

When I knew them, back in the 70s, they ran about 30 odd vehicles, a mixture of Berliet TR280s, Scania 111s, the odd 140, pulling a variety of Trailor, and Kaiser trailers, including some of Kaiser`s “tipping tilts”. Plus the odd 4 wheeler, and that is where Leyland France gained a foothold with the humble Terrier!

Leyland Frances agent in Valence was a real "go getter", and saw a market opportunity with Girauds, who were purchasing on average 8/9 new vehicles each year. “Our” Berliet agent saw Giraud as a captive client, close to Venissieux, and already running over 20 Berliet tractors. Although they had purchased Scania, by no means were they looking at them as a 100% option. So M Berliet Dealer waited for the orders to roll in!..But then came the Marathons!

Only two, both TL12s, 9 speed Fullers, nothing spectacular…but they did the job, mainly on the tippers,…but cost Girauds around the equivelent of 5k less than the TR280, and had more get up and go!

Then came the T45s, again TL 12s, 9 speed Fullers, SoMa 13 tonne axle, and (from memory), around 5.7k cheaper than the TR305…so they kept buying them. I think by the mid 80s they must have run around 10 or so, maybe more, and some went onto their owner driver scheme, (not the exclusive province of the UK haulier). Certainly one at least was on the Middle East run, because I was “buttonholed” on a visit to Stouffs regarding the potential of them using Leyland for this traffic, as Girauds had praised the Lancashire product highly for its reliability…but they stayed on the Saviem/Berliet product!

I presume that their demise was the result of “Norbert`s” push for the Rhone Poulenc traffic…They must have employed some UK drivers for their UK work, for when I was back in the UK I used to see a T45 parked in sunny Penkridge quite often, (perhaps Trev H may know more)?

Anyway, I am sad that they are gone, nice outfit, where the drivers and staff were all part of the “family”…sadly today somewhat lacking in the “Logistics Industry”. I shall raise a Bollinger in the direction of Sonnoy… and a toast to Michel, Yves, Phillipe, and their father Marc.

Cheerio for now.

Welcome back, Monsieur Saviem. How are your bionic bits settling in?

Blimey- a French operator praising the reliability of 1970s Leylands? How bad can the local product have been, in that regard? I guess he could afford, with his £5k saving, to look kindly on the British vehicles. It appears that Leyland were making the classic mistake of discounting to gain market share. Does this mirror the efforts of the French manufacturers to establish themselves in Britain?

In the 60th, Hotchkiss made a deal with Leyland to deliver some of the big range in France. Here a Beaver in the animal feed business.
As I can remember these lorries as in 6x4 form had sleeper-cabs.
Excuse for the poor picture.

The Beaver:

Retired & very tired looking isn’t it, But it still fires up when it has to be moved, Regards Larry.