If there’s a job that needs doing, people should be paid to do it, at or above the minimum wage. Not sent off to work for a big multinational in return for £72 a week, especially as anyone who’s paid NI has already earned the right to that money.
It’s all very well huffing and puffing about how people should be working for their dole, but as zeddman rightly points out, if someone is picking litter or sweeping up for minimum wage, they’re almost certainly vulnerable to being replaced by some poor sap working for virtually nothing. How is this right or progressive in any way?
yes i do pretty much think it’s something for nothing, i take the point about paying in an all, but not everybody who claims has and what about the point when you take more than you’ve given? i’m not suggesting that on day one of being unemployed people are forced into doing something for the benefit. but at some point if people haven’t found work then i think they should do something to earn the benefit, which is not always £72, rent, council tax, school dinners, dentists, prescriptions, yada, yada, yada!
working for companies is obviously open to abuse. we don’t live in a spotless country, so i’d have people picking litter and cleaning graffiti. i’m sure most councils would want more than they have but don’t have the budget for it. no need to make anyone redundant and the teams will need supervisors!
Contentious issues indeed. I think there can be a problem distinguishing between genuine benefit claimants suffering from temporary setbacks, and the smackheads, alkies and kyle devotees. I would like to believe that very few people, if any, judge negatively those who have worked, want to work and ultimately will work again. The resentment justifiably kicks in when we feel we are being milked by a section of society who are parasitic, bone idle, and nauseatingly smug and proud about what they`re doing.
Some ramp it up even further, making it an avowed mission to learn about, and then submit, claims for every side-benefit in existence, and it is this damaged mentality that needs crushing. The system will always be flawed, and the lazy and unprincipled will always be irresistibly drawn towards it, much like flies around st. Im sure the Duke of Edinburgh would throw his full influence behind a campaign to cull the worst offenders - thatll get the f***s motivated!!
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Contentious issues indeed. I think there can be a problem distinguishing between genuine benefit claimants suffering from temporary setbacks, and the smackheads, alkies and kyle devotees. I would like to believe that very few people, if any, judge negatively those who have worked, want to work and ultimately will work again. The resentment justifiably kicks in when we feel we are being milked by a section of society who are parasitic, bone idle, and nauseatingly smug and proud about what they`re doing.Some ramp it up even further, making it an avowed mission to learn about, and then submit, claims for every side-benefit in existence, and it is this damaged mentality that needs crushing. The system will always be flawed, and the lazy and unprincipled will always be irresistibly drawn towards it, much like flies around st. I
m sure the Duke of Edinburgh would throw his full influence behind a campaign to cull the worst offenders - thatll get the f***s motivated!!
Don’t believe everything you read in the Mail … 
I don’t know the exact figures, but benefit fraud costs this country something like a hundred and ten pounds a year, whereas the costs to us of wealthy folk and large corporations avoiding tax (perfectly legally) runs into hundreds of thousands of millions. Why aren’t we pressing our elected government to do something about that instead? Maybe while we’re about it we could think of a way to get that smug prick Ian Duncan Smith on benefits … I’d love to see him live on seventy quid a week. For ever.
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Contentious issues indeed. I think there can be a problem distinguishing between genuine benefit claimants suffering from temporary setbacks, and the smackheads, alkies and kyle devotees. I would like to believe that very few people, if any, judge negatively those who have worked, want to work and ultimately will work again. The resentment justifiably kicks in when we feel we are being milked by a section of society who are parasitic, bone idle, and nauseatingly smug and proud about what they`re doing.Some ramp it up even further, making it an avowed mission to learn about, and then submit, claims for every side-benefit in existence, and it is this damaged mentality that needs crushing. The system will always be flawed, and the lazy and unprincipled will always be irresistibly drawn towards it, much like flies around st. I
m sure the Duke of Edinburgh would throw his full influence behind a campaign to cull the worst offenders - thatll get the f***s motivated!!Don’t believe everything you read in the Mail …
Surely it’s impossible to put a figure on it by its very nature?
Every self employed person I know avoids paying tax, regardless of the amount they are earning. Plenty of people on paye avoid paying tax - isa.
They are going after businesses, you can’t of missed amazon and starbucks etc in the news recently.
Why should ids live on 72 quid a week? He’s working! And as I’ve said earlier, it’s not always £72 a week.
Rhythm Thief:
If there’s a job that needs doing, people should be paid to do it, at or above the minimum wage. Not sent off to work for a big multinational in return for £72 a week, especially as anyone who’s paid NI has already earned the right to that money.
It’s all very well huffing and puffing about how people should be working for their dole, but as zeddman rightly points out, if someone is picking litter or sweeping up for minimum wage, they’re almost certainly vulnerable to being replaced by some poor sap working for virtually nothing. How is this right or progressive in any way?
^^ This…
I agree, I hate the idea of someone sat around watching Jeremy Kyle and claiming benefits, and I know people who do just that who - with their 14 kids - are better off than I am.
What should happen though, they should be sent to work, paid the appropriate wage for what they do - ie inline with other workers - and then if they’re applicable for other benefits then they should still get them too, working tax credits, child benefit etc.
Basically, it’d be like getting a job, but I think a lot of long term unemployed are either scared to ‘leave the system’ - kinda like some prisoners are known to be - or just don’t know how to sell themselves.
I think the disability system needs looking at though, especially ‘mobility vehicles’ where I know a guy who drove a bus for years, worked hard, lived in a crap house and drove a crap car, then he had an accident that ■■■■■■ his internals up, now he’s on disability, got a semi-detached house that’s been modified, drives a brand new Skoda Superb etc.
This is wrong, why does someone who doesn’t work need a better car than I can afford doing 60+hrs per week?
I’m not saying they shouldn’t have reliable transport, but surely it’d be cheaper to set up a contract with a taxi firm, or just give them 1 of those ‘cash for scrap’ cars that some council garage maintained for them??
I know another guy, who’s around 25yrs old now maybe, never worked a day in his life, he’s got an extra bone in his spine apparently, but he plays snooker no probs, plays computer games no probs, so I’m not sure how he’s classed as disabled - maybe restricted on the type of work, but certainly not unable to work - oh and his missus is also ‘disabled’ and they’re each others registered carers etc…
What you are saying about disability got one next door to me had an accident at work and got a good pay out then got left a very large sum in a will, he bought a £45000 car and a house to rent out. He now has no money so claims all benefits going because rent from house is not classed as earned income. He as a caravan behind car and puts in on ok so could work but nobody says he has to.
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working for companies is obviously open to abuse. we don’t live in a spotless country, so i’d have people picking litter and cleaning graffiti. i’m sure most councils would want more than they have but don’t have the budget for it. no need to make anyone redundant and the teams will need supervisors!
I do agree with you on this