commonrail:
Must admit,I didn’t know much about the situation…but as more info comes onto my feeds etc i’m not at all easy,about supporting Israel and their doings
It seems to me,like the Palestinians have had the [zb] end of the stick.
Who massacred who.
Probably the same info that says the Brits implemented the Balfour Declaration in 1947 and the Israelis blew up the King David Hotel as thanks.
For those interested in the history of this “A line in the Sand” by James Barr, which I am currently re-visiting, makes excellent in-cab reading, describing the murky story of British and French double dealing with each other and with the Arabs, and the shabby involvement of the US and President Truman’s electoral ambitions.
MI6 " We know… from ‘Top Secret’ sources that French officials in the Lavant have been clandestinely selling arms to the Hagana and we have received recent reports of their intention to stir up strife within Palestine’
Barr continues " In other words while [In 1945] the British were fighting and dying to liberate France, their supposed allies the French were secretly backing Jewish efforts to kill British soldiers in Palestine".
cav551:
For those interested in the history of this “A line in the Sand” by James Barr, which I am currently re-visiting, makes excellent in-cab reading, describing the murky story of British and French double dealing with each other and with the Arabs, and the shabby involvement of the US and President Truman’s electoral ambitions.MI6 " We know… from ‘Top Secret’ sources that French officials in the Lavant have been clandestinely selling arms to the Hagana and we have received recent reports of their intention to stir up strife within Palestine’
Barr continues " In other words while [In 1945] the British were fighting and dying to liberate France, their supposed allies the French were secretly backing Jewish efforts to kill British soldiers in Palestine".
Welcome to Politics…
cav551:
For those interested in the history of this “A line in the Sand” by James Barr, which I am currently re-visiting, makes excellent in-cab reading, describing the murky story of British and French double dealing with each other and with the Arabs, and the shabby involvement of the US and President Truman’s electoral ambitions.MI6 " We know… from ‘Top Secret’ sources that French officials in the Lavant have been clandestinely selling arms to the Hagana and we have received recent reports of their intention to stir up strife within Palestine’
Barr continues " In other words while [In 1945] the British were fighting and dying to liberate France, their supposed allies the French were secretly backing Jewish efforts to kill British soldiers in Palestine".
As opposed to while British squaddies like my Dad at the time were fighting and had fought to a finish the anti semitic ■■■■ scum including the Palestinian Mufti led Hanshar.
Then reeled in shock and sympathy at the news filtering out about the liberated death camps of the Holocaust.
Those same troops were then ordered to kill Jewish asylum seekers for the crime of trying to settle in their own homeland.
All in support and defence of the said ■■■■ supporting anti semitic Arab scum who had and still have obviously learnt about the ■■■■ penchant for literally cutting and tearing unborn children from their mothers wombs for the crime of their future potential resistance and opposition to the ■■■■/Arab cause.
You would think the Lebanese would have had enough wars to last a lifetime, Jesus the country was nearly blown out of existence at one stage
The US just might get to use their warships
Since the Hamas attacks on 7 October, Israeli forces and Hezbollah fighters have exchanged fire across the Lebanese border.
Today, the IDF said it responded with artillery shelling after two anti-tank guided missiles were fired from Lebanon at the northern Kibbutz Manara.
The IDF says there are no injuries in the latest missile attack - and said the artillery shelling is targeting the launch site of the missiles.
Bigtruck3:
You would think the Lebanese would have had enough wars to last a lifetime, Jesus the country was nearly blown out of existence at one stageThe US just might get to use their warships
Since the Hamas attacks on 7 October, Israeli forces and Hezbollah fighters have exchanged fire across the Lebanese border.
Today, the IDF said it responded with artillery shelling after two anti-tank guided missiles were fired from Lebanon at the northern Kibbutz Manara.
The IDF says there are no injuries in the latest missile attack - and said the artillery shelling is targeting the launch site of the missiles.
I was as surprised as anyone - when NO major news outlet jumped to the conclusion that “foul play was involved” in the Beirut “Nuke” explosion 3 years back…
These days, we saw major news networks - quick to accuse Israel of bombing a hospital, when in fact that report was pure propaganda - and known to be before it was authorized to be broadcast…
Gaza are not going to stop what’s coming, and Netenyau swinging left by booting his right-wing coalition partners - won’t stop what’s coming neither.
Hamas have awakened more than a “Sleeping Giant” over the lacklustre reponses from the rest of the western world’s PUBLIC…
Winseer:
Bigtruck3:
You would think the Lebanese would have had enough wars to last a lifetime, Jesus the country was nearly blown out of existence at one stageThe US just might get to use their warships
Since the Hamas attacks on 7 October, Israeli forces and Hezbollah fighters have exchanged fire across the Lebanese border.
Today, the IDF said it responded with artillery shelling after two anti-tank guided missiles were fired from Lebanon at the northern Kibbutz Manara.
The IDF says there are no injuries in the latest missile attack - and said the artillery shelling is targeting the launch site of the missiles.
I was as surprised as anyone - when NO major news outlet jumped to the conclusion that “foul play was involved” in the Beirut “Nuke” explosion 3 years back…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws7DgCj-0Hc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws7DgCj-0Hc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws7DgCj-0HcThese days, we saw major news networks - quick to accuse Israel of bombing a hospital, when in fact that report was pure propaganda - and known to be before it was authorized to be broadcast…
Gaza are not going to stop what’s coming, and Netenyau swinging left by booting his right-wing coalition partners - won’t stop what’s coming neither.
Hamas have awakened more than a “Sleeping Giant” over the lacklustre reponses from the rest of the western world’s PUBLIC…
Don’t think so.Both the US and Israel are slowly realising that they are being set up with an Iranian led pretext.Which could easily escalate to the storyline of Threads in a matter of days if not hours if Iran and Russia and the US come to blows.
That’s a big statement, walk away after destroying it
Defense Minister Yoav Gallant’s comments to lawmakers were the first time a top Israeli official discussed its long-term plans for Gaza. Gallant said Israel expected a three-phase war, starting with airstrikes and ground maneuvers. It anticipates then defeating pockets of resistance, and finally, ceasing Israel’s “responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip.”
Bigtruck3:
That’s a big statement, walk away after destroying itDefense Minister Yoav Gallant’s comments to lawmakers were the first time a top Israeli official discussed its long-term plans for Gaza. Gallant said Israel expected a three-phase war, starting with airstrikes and ground maneuvers. It anticipates then defeating pockets of resistance, and finally, ceasing Israel’s “responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip.”
The US has clearly ‘instructed’ the Israeli government to resist the urge for revenge and not to make mistakes like the US made over 9/11.
It’s also made its worries, about the potential escalation of war with Iran, who instigated the attack, even clearer.
The truth is the US lost its bottle for Mutually Assured Destruction long ago and the evil axis of Russia/Iran/NK/China//Pakistan knows it.
As it stands evacuation of the Israeli population to the US is the obvious solution.As opposed to getting into WW3 on the terms of that Axis.
rigsby:
No history readers on here then . Google Balfour Declaration where the British government guaranteed a Jewish homeland in Palestine . That was in 1919 I believe .
You don’t get to push back at what’s already occured in History - but deeds after get to push back at YOU trying to make or break future history.
Palestine was beaten for the 1948 creation of Israel. For better or worse, trying then to achieve the so-called “Two State Solution” is a failed attempt to turn the clock back, just as “Reparations for past Slavery” is.
Right or wrong, History marches onwards, never backwards.
Who said “A future Dark Age” was anything but a progressive aim of those in faltering power?
Most people don’t realize their forthcoming demise - even on the morning of the day they get to suffer it.
Palestine should have let itself be absorbed by Israel to preserve their culture, rather than stood against Israel outright.
Think of the difference to History had Persia objected to becoming Iran, rather than achieved the revolution of 1979?
Chances are, someone like Saddam Hussein would have easily conquered it during the power vacuum created by any “Failed” Islamic revolution, rather than ended up at war with it to no success after the successful installation of the Theocratic government that followed in Iran…
Imagine what would have happened had Harold Godwinson achieved victory at the Battle of Hastings, 1066…
We’d all be speaking French and Latin for starters - despite winning against the very speakers of such languages!
Carryfast:
Bigtruck3:
That’s a big statement, walk away after destroying itDefense Minister Yoav Gallant’s comments to lawmakers were the first time a top Israeli official discussed its long-term plans for Gaza. Gallant said Israel expected a three-phase war, starting with airstrikes and ground maneuvers. It anticipates then defeating pockets of resistance, and finally, ceasing Israel’s “responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip.”
The US has clearly ‘instructed’ the Israeli government to resist the urge for revenge and not to make mistakes like the US made over 9/11.
It’s also made its worries, about the potential escalation of war with Iran, who instigated the attack, even clearer.
The truth is the US lost its bottle for Mutually Assured Destruction long ago and the evil axis of Russia/Iran/NK/China//Pakistan knows it.
As it stands evacuation of the Israeli population to the US is the obvious solution.As opposed to getting into WW3 on the terms of that Axis.
Israel could easily crush what’s left of the Palestinian culture out of existance IF the alliances with the rest of the Arab League were to permit that.
The current thinking is that Iran won’t permit that, and any western help FOR Israel in the form of “Military” rather than “Financial Aid” - will pull in more and more belligerants
Thing is, the West is BROKE at this point - and cannot afford sending further “pallets on money” instead of “Boots on the ground”.
Putin’s Chess moves - are sound here. Either we accept he won the game, or we destroy ourselves by the end of the decades trying to, and failing to avoid WWIII whilst preserving our former global dominance here in the West at the same time…
There’s a new Speaker in the US Congress as of Yesterday. - Mike Johnson.
He’s a Trumper, whom the Democrats thought they’d thrown the kitchen sink at to prevent any of - ever becoming Speaker.
Trump’s main achievement during his first presidential term was to “avert escalations towards WWIII” and “Starting no new foreign wars”.
People are now beginning to appreciate - just what that meant, in retrospect.
It’s time for the Left to stop hating the “Orange Man Bad” perceived bogeyman whom they pull themselves off to sleep at thinking of in an Orange Jumpsuit rather than “Makeup”.
…Or would lefties rather have a Global Jihad, followed by Nuclear War rather than just live under the Law and Order of the Right that will continue to get the votes and stay in power around the world meanwhile?
Winseer:
Imagine what would have happened had Harold Godwinson achieved victory at the Battle of Hastings, 1066…
We’d all be speaking French and Latin for starters - despite winning against the very speakers of such languages!
Bearing in mind that by 1066 the Anglo Saxon dynasty, which Harold tried to maintain, had created the nation state of England and its/our language how do you reach that conclusion.
The fact is what you describe is exactly what happened after the defeat with the exeption of the native speaking serfs under the invading French speaking nobility.
Carryfast:
rigsby:
No history readers on here then . Google Balfour Declaration where the British government guaranteed a Jewish homeland in Palestine . That was in 1919 I believe .Obviously trumped by the U turn in 1947 in defence of the Palestinian state.Which saw British servicemen shipped directly from defeating the Nazis to stop the birth of the Jewish state by killing Jewish ‘asylum seekers’ going home to reclaim their own stolen land.
History indeed but which version comrade.
Jews who were planting bombs to kill British soldiers.
Winseer:
Israel could easily crush what’s left of the Palestinian culture out of existance IF the alliances with the rest of the Arab League were to permit that.
As easily as we could crush the Taliban? Things don’t tend to work out so easily in reality.
Why do you think Trump “averted” war? Wars tend to erupt when they’re ready to erupt - you could use the same silly argument for Nevill Chamberlain “He maintained peace all through the 30s”. No he didn’t - the war just started at the time it started. Nothing to do with who was the president. Russia obviously supported Trump as President because they know how devisive he is - divided countries are easier to fight than united ones. I’m sure Putin would have Trump back tomorrow as he was a good pet.
If he was still alive even Sreaming Lord Sutch wouldn’t consider that thing for a nano second as a worthy candidate for public office. It is completely off its trolley.
It seems that most people out there are clearly watching the mainstream narrative to everything that is going on, rather than paying attention to what is ACTUALLY going on.
It’s easy enough to do.
You don’t watch a football match on “BBC Highlights” do you?
Neither should you consider yourself to have watched it - by anything OTHER than the LIVE broadcast on SkySports OR your actual presence at the match in question…
You might hear later on the news that blah blah score at full time was 1:Nil to whatever…
That doesn’t mean for a minute that you know exactly all the nuances, drama, and upsets that happened on the pitch though - does it?
I get that though.
People “not interested in something” - shouldn’t really comment ON that something as if they were some kind of authority on it.
People hate Trump - I get that.
People therefore won’t be studying Trump, except the opposition politik that’ll glean every negative nuance for their next hit piece.
TDS - “Trump Derangement Syndrome” - casts a light on the sheer obvious fact that people cease making sensible arguments once “Trump” is involved.
We hear forever arguments about “Trump’s no good” which one is entirely entitled to have as an opinion…
Weather Trump is a crook who deserves jail though? Any such predjudice in a Jury that might one day try him - is going to end up with the case thrown out on it’s proverbial arse.
People are supposed to be “Innocent until PROVEN Guilty”.
Trump has been charged with - what his political opponents have actually all DONE already.
None of them are in court. The unfounded charges against him - are just to waste his time, and keep him off the campaign trail.
The juggernaut he’s created though - are already beyond that, and this can only end in one of two ways now:
Trump gets back into the Whitehouse, for better or worse
or
Trump’s demise - triggers a second civil war in America that will end up as some kind of “Inquisition” upon the destructive Left who’ve simply let it come to that.
There simply are not enough warrior Lefties to defeat the growing number of fully-armed Trump voters who simply won’t permit their country to not only be taken away from them, but then be persecuted by the Deep State-led monstrosity that takes over should Trump be cheated out of his super-majority for a second time.
It isn’t “Trump” that is the figurehead here, but rather the fact that Trump is the first Anti-Establishment President in most of our lifetimes.
“Anti Establishment” - is a HUGE vote winner among anyone who’s worse off since the LAST election, never mind the daft alignment with the current American “Opposition” being an actual majority at the outset (due to the rigging in 2020…)
Not enough has been said about a Trumper becoming Speaker yesterday.
Mainstream Media are flooding the front pages with this latest shooting in Maine, which seems rather suspiciously timed to swamp out the huge win for Trump that having his endorsed candidate take over the Gavel at long last…
Meanwhile back in Israel (back on topic…) Netenyahu has clearly broken away from the Right, which imo will come back to bite him hard…
The voting Right will be pretty disgusted that their elected leader has apparently “Appeased” Hamas and those allys OF Hamas that have “Ordered” him to back down over Gaza, rather than let the far-right aspects of his own military - lay it waste, and effectively enslave the surviving women and children.
…Leaving the door wide open for another atrocity from Hamas… And another and another - until Israel is indeed wiped from the Map, just as it’s enemies have always wanted.
The way to avoid future bloodshed seems to me - to admit that Palestine is GONE from 1948 onwards, and the two state solution - needs to be buried with it.
If the Scots marched south, Annexed Manchester, joined up with Liverpool, and then besieged Oxford - how do you think London would react?
“Surrender all parts claimed by Scotland” and dissolve the UK, OR FIGHT?
The Left think they’ve done away with old-fashioned warfare.
Nope. They are the main instigators of ALL warfare! “Not agreeing amicably with the RIght opposition”.
For Example, the Right-wing British Empire were the ones to declare war on Hitler before anyone was ready, leaving us facing the German war machine alone.
The Left’s solution - would have been to ALLY with Hitler like the IRA did, and Ukraine did too, come to that.
Yet, we permitted both of these factions to continue after WWII was over, permitting them to commit further crimes against humanity, let alone crimes against the UK…
The end of WWII should have seen Germany divided up among the Allies - forever. Japan - should have been made a 51st state like Hawaii as 50th…
If you don’t “Win the War” properly - you’re going to end up fighting it all over again further down the line.
Same applies to Palestine.
THEY have delcared war on Israel in a Geneva-Convention-Breaking manner to boot.
Utter removal of THAT country from the map - restores order to the rest of the world sick and tired of fighting “Foreign Wars” that are simply no longer in the citizen’s interest of any country, not even the one supposedly being fought FOR.
There’s total folly in seeking a “Centerist” solution to warfares, conflicts, and political disagreements.
There’s no “Second Place” in an all-out war. There’s only “Who survived”.
Does it really have to be “TDS”? It can’t just be that people don’t like him because he is incredibly unlikeable? Lying all the time, trying to overthrow democracy because he’s embarrassed and getting his behind kicked. There’s no basis in evidence for any of his election claims - he proved that himself by going on TV on election night BEFORE the votes had even been counted and claiming it had been rigged. The only reason he had for it being rigged was he lost - that’s it. There’s no other evidence whatsoever.
I mean - did you see how he treated his valet? Making him move documents and setting him up for decades and decades in Prison? How can you like a man who would do that to his valet? It’s not TDS it’s just common sense. It’s like there’s a “Peter Sutcliffe DS” - no, he’s just not very likeable.
JeffA:
Does it really have to be “TDS”? It can’t just be that people don’t like him because he is incredibly unlikeable? Lying all the time, trying to overthrow democracy because he’s embarrassed and getting his behind kicked. There’s no basis in evidence for any of his election claims - he proved that himself by going on TV on election night BEFORE the votes had even been counted and claiming it had been rigged. The only reason he had for it being rigged was he lost - that’s it. There’s no other evidence whatsoever.I mean - did you see how he treated his valet? Making him move documents and setting him up for decades and decades in Prison? How can you like a man who would do that to his valet? It’s not TDS it’s just common sense. It’s like there’s a “Peter Sutcliffe DS” - no, he’s just not very likeable.
ALL politicians lie all the time, especially those in power.
Trump came to politics as an amateur, and unlike so many before him - STAYED an amateur, making him this abrasive character that upsets any “opposition” he has, but acting as total cheerleader for those that DO support the same side of politics as him.
The news today is swamped out with other stories to distract people from what amounts to Trump’s greatest chess move yet, yesterday…
There will be serious POSITIVE repercussions to what happened yesterday in US Congress, mark my words!
As for “Evidence” - Trump called it out - before the election in 2016, and ahead of the election in 2020.
“It’s all rigged”.
“Will you accept the result?”
“Yes, If I win!”
Would you be happy with Trump as dictator? Presumably that’s his aim next time.
JeffA:
Carryfast:
rigsby:
No history readers on here then . Google Balfour Declaration where the British government guaranteed a Jewish homeland in Palestine . That was in 1919 I believe .Obviously trumped by the U turn in 1947 in defence of the Palestinian state.Which saw British servicemen shipped directly from defeating the Nazis to stop the birth of the Jewish state by killing Jewish ‘asylum seekers’ going home to reclaim their own stolen land.
History indeed but which version comrade.Jews who were planting bombs to kill British soldiers.
British soldiers who were sent to Israel to kill Jews in defence of the bs artificial Arab state of Palestine.
